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I think the Holy Spirit baptism IS the born-again experience. The gift of tongues is just one evidence of the indwelling Holy Spirit. The Apostle Paul lists eight in 1 Corinthians chapter 12. There are, according to some, as many as 19 different spiritual gifts. I have read that, in the...

Calvin was a vicious man. At least 50-something (I never remember the exact total) people were executed for heresy, under his virtual dictatorship over the city of Geneva. Calvin's apologists say that it was the "political leadership" of Geneva who carried out the executions of "heretics and...

That would be one word but I am vaguely thinking that there is another word. I should look it up. Yes. I would say that those who fell away probably were not indwelt by the Holy Spirit. Remember that the Apostle Paul encountered some "believers" in Ephesus (see Acts chapter 19) who had...

Of course, one of the first problems one runs into is that men (and women) are liars and they distort history to suit themselves--the victors get to write the history books. The original Mithraism from Persia, bore little resemblance to the mithraism practiced during the early centuries of the...

The Greek word, pistus or one of its cognates is used for "believe" in the NT. There was a different Greek word used for "to know" which was a mere intellectual grasp of a concept. (I forget what it is at the moment.) In any case, pistus implied a heartfelt desire to follow the object of faith...

Did you want me to list all twenty?

And I don't know which are proceeding faster--women to men or men to women. :(

That is why I always defend eternal security and not OSAS. :) I have seen too many "OSAS believers" who don't actually seem like believers at all. Interestingly, the Apostle John makes the case for eternal security in the closing passages of 1 John. 1 John 5:13--->"I have written this to you...

LOL--the Westminster Confession is a LOT shorter. ;)

I agree for the same reasons. It appears to have been a waste of time since JBF appears to have no ability to hear. Yes, my posts to him took a lot of time. Yes--we kid ourselves if we think that others have not struggled to understand. Not that they were always right, mind you, but we can...

Yeah--I think I'm done too. I just checked and it appears that the quote function works with your posts, and those of everyone else but JBF. Whatever he does or does not do seems to make it difficult for others to respond. In any case, I decided that you are wise in your decision to avoid...

That is what I have been trying to tell JBF from the beginning of our discussion but it falls on deaf ears, I'm afraid.

Not sure why, but the quote function does not appear to be working properly--can anyone help?

It is too late to launch into a discussion of the hypostatic union. I'm going to bed--I've been up since 6 a.m.

So has that of EVERY born-again Christian. Why are you changing your tune? I thought you can remain sin-free because you don't want to sin. :rolleyes: Uh--no you haven't. You have suddenly done a 180 and are trying to claim that what I have been saying is what you have been saying. I...

You are confusing Jesus' two natures. He was and IS wholly God. Only an infinite God could atone for the sins of the whole world. But He was and IS wholly human as well. I was looking at His humanity when I made that statement.

Lady Crosstalk said: ↑ "It diminishes what He did, out of obedience to the Father, if we say that we can be sin-free by grace through faith." The OT saints were granted eternal life through the grace of God through their faith in Him. But they were NOT sinless after. Granted, we have the...

Look carefully at the account of the Fall. Adam and Eve walked in the Garden with God for who knows how long before the Fall--they would have had the closest of "personal relationships" with Him. Eve knew the consequences of disobedience and that they were dire. But she WANTED to sin. Read...

This is the statement of JBF's that is untrue: "But we can walk in freedom and victory; so that we might never fall again (once you start to get tired of the seemingly endless cycle of falling and getting back up again)." We know that Jesus is the ONLY one who never sinned when He walked the...