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I'm not aware that anyone has stated that the crucifixion was God's day of wrath. God forbid! I believe the exact opposite. The cross is the place where God's love and His justice meet; where John 3:16 and Romans 3:25-26 are reconciled. As for who crucified the Lord Jesus, read Acts 4:27-28...

Needless to say, you have given to reason for for your rejection, save to say that it 'does not really make sense.' What you mean is that it doesn't make sense to you because your theology is wretchedly earth-bound. The reason for it all is that on the cross, 'Mercy and truth have met...

To take these in reverse order: 'So God created man in His own image' (Genesis 1:27). 'God is spirit' (John 4:24). Ergo, Adam was created with spiritual life. 'In the day that you eat of it you shall surely die' (Genesis 2:17b). It seems that Adam lived another 900+ years after these words...

This is something and nothing. Do you agree, as I wrote, that Christ was always obedient, as a child, in His ministry and unto death? So you agree that God righteous anger against sin and those who commit it is propitiated by Christ bearing His curse against sinners (Deuteronomy 27:26...

I understand that it suits you to cover your confusion over your own beliefs with bluster and attempted sarcasm, but you know exactly what @David Taylor is saying. 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith 1:6. The whole counsel of God concerning all things necessary for His own Glory, Man's Salvation...

:eek: I hardly deny that Christ suffered physical death! Of course He did! But the Bible speaks of the Lord Jesus, 'In flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 'These shall be punished with everlasting...

You have referenced Hebrews 5:8-9 several times, and certainly they are intriguing and challenging verses. The question is, as I have written before, how does the Christ, who 'knows all things' (John 21:17) need to learn anything? And, specifically, why does the One who was obedient in His...

What exactly do you mean by this? Who do you think cursed Him? And how and where did He bear our sins. What do you mean by 'bore our sins'? So what? How exactly did it do that? How has Christ overcome the curse? I know He became a curse for us, but how exactly did that overcome the curse...

Ah! The $64,000 question. Without Penal Substitution we have the Father treating the Lord Jesus as a sort of whipping boy.

Thanks for your interesting comments and my apologies for not taking notice of your posts earlier. There is a 'threeness' as well as a 'oneness' in the Persons of the Trinity, and they enjoy an asymmetric relationship. The Father sends the Son, but the Son does not send the Father; the Son...

I am glad that you now accept that the sinless Christ became sin for us - that is one thing less for us to argue about - but to what end was He suffering the wages of sin and how does it help us? I answered this in the very post you have quoted. It is obvious that James' and John's cup of...

From my O.P. in The Biblical Doctrine of Penal Substitution So we come to the concept of the cup of God’s wrath. In Gethsemane, our Lord prayed, “O My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as You will” (Matthew 26:39). What was this cup which the...

One of us cannot explain our theories, but it isn't I. The Biblical Doctrine of Penal Substitution That is certainly not a book or a PhD thesis, but it is a setting out of the doctrine in considerably more detail than is usual on this forum. Now, earlier I posted: Still waiting.

:rolleyes: These were your actual words: Now my 'religion' is, as you know perfectly well, is the one held by countless evangelicals including Bunyan, John Owen, Whitefield, Spurgeon, Lloyd-Jones in the past, and John Piper, Mark Dever, Timothy George and J.I. Packer today. You are under no...

Your irony sensor seems to be malfunctioning. As you know very well, it was you, in a private message, who falsely accused me of being a Mormon, something which I regard as tantamount to saying that I'm not a Christian. I am no more a Mormon than I am Wicca. And no, I have not the slightest...

So why did Jesus have to die? Because the Bible tells us so. The Biblical Doctrine of Penal Substitution There is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus. Why? 1 John 3:5. 'And you know [or perhaps you don't] that He was manifested to take away our sin.' This He did when He bore...

Don't you remember? It was a Mormon seminary.

Hey! @David Taylor. I just glanced at the NIV 1984 translation of Isaiah 53:5b. 'The punishment that brought us peace was upon him.' And the CSB. 'Punishment for our peace was on him.'

Hebrews 7:22. 'By so much more Jesus has become the surety of a better covenant.' Now go and find out what a surety is.

Just so that you know, it wasn't medieval theologians who discovered the Doctrine of Penal Substitution. PSA goes back to the ECFs and was re-discovered by the Reformers. I agree with you though that it's not helpful to talk about heresy on a discussion board.