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No contradiction at all. Contemplate on the parable of the sower. In the second example people only believed for a while, in the time of testing they fell away In the third example people kept getting sidetracked from the path they should be on by worldly things. Jesus did not say they walked...

There is no contradiction in my post. The christian has but one righteousness before God-faith in His Son. If a person completely and irrevocably turns away from their one and only righteousness before God, what right standing do they then have before Him?

No, I personally like the one I heard a minister state: ''Hell is a place where God's presence does not exist'' That would be a place of anguish in my view, a place of never ending torment, or a lake of fire if you like

BTW, Im not judging according to how well a person lives their life. I would say that is what Matt7:2 is referring to. But if a person completely and irreconcilably walks away from faith in Christ, what is their righteousness before God then? That is what Jesus stated '''they believed for a...

How can the bible contradict itself if two different sets of people are being written about concerning the subject? As a Jewish believer once noted: ''The Quran can be understood simply by reading the letter of it, the bible was not meant to be understood that way.'' Discernment is needed to...

Could be the lake of fire is symbolic of eternal separation from God

Well if you accept the bible speaks of eternal security for some and not others, then it must be obvious two different types of people are being written about. If we do not accept the bible as one cohesive whole we will not understand the truth. If people make a shallow/half hearted commitment...

Yes, the other three all speak of believers. According to Jesus only the second group fell away from the faith, the third group did not mature, the fourth group reaped a harvest up to a hundred times what was sown

. The bible does not contradict itself, we simply have to discern the difference between someone making a shallow commitment and someone who does not, then it all fits! A hard and fast rule one way or the other brings the bible into contradiction of itself The basis for salvation, what makes...

I am sure in all denominations there are many who are not rigid sticklers for the denominational blueprint as it were. I was raised in a fundamentalist church. I heard someone on the internet once state that though that denomination and Catholics are at the opposite ends of the spectrum, they...

I lived in a christian community once predominantly run by catholics. They were really nice people, and had much love for others, especially the poor, and those who had messed up their lives badly. However, when it came to the biblical message of grace, namely Paul's message they didn't seem to...

If you give me scriptural references for all of that I will discuss it with you. We are here to discuss the bible. But, as you seem to agree Mary is not greater than John I am happy to leave it there

Glad you agree, no one born of woman is greater than John, so that must include Mary

All of that has previously been addressed. People will go to any lengths on websites such as these to defend denominational teaching. Mary and John were born naturally of women, yet none is greater than John. Simple truth does not need much theological extrapolation

According to Jesus, among those born of women there is no one greater than John. I saw one person get round it by saying we can refer to John as an angel, so he does not count

The abomination that causes desolation will result in great tribulation. Horrors will be seen unequalled since the creation of the world and never to be equalled again. It will result in darkness. In Rev ch8 it is written a third of the sun and moon will not shine, meaning one third of the earth...

Jesus only said those in the second example of the parable of the sower fell away, those in the third example did not mature. You mature by evermore practising right from wrong, not being side tracked from the path you should be on by worldly things. Personally speaking I have rarely met people...

You will have to do gymnastics with much scripture to believe everyone placed in a saved state has eternal security. The truth is, some do, and some do not. A young person is forced to go to church by their parents. They make some friends there who are all committed Christians. They don’t...

Those on the rocky ground are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away. Luke8:13 What do such people believe for a while? What do they fall away from?

As Jesus said: At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do. Luke10:21