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  1. Chadrho

    Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author

    There's no use in debating interpretations of scripture. We will not agree. You believe God cannot defeat sin and evil. I believe God can and will. At the end of the day, your conception of God is one that desires what will not be, i.e., the salvation of all. My conception of God is one that...
  2. Chadrho

    Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author

    I didn't say anything about lifting judgment; you did. We will all be judged. We will all enter the unquenchable fire of God's love. Some will experience that as an age of life and others an age of punishment, but once all things have been subjected to Christ, God will be all in all. God is the...
  3. Chadrho

    Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author

    I don't want to derail this thread. I'll just say that God must not be all powerful if God can't bring about what God wants. I disagree with your assertion that there is no foundation for UR. Christ is the foundation for he has already overcome the world. What do you call your position if...
  4. Chadrho

    Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author

    It brings to mind something Jesus said: "You search the scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that testify on my behalf. Yet you refuse to come to me to have life. I do not accept glory from human beings. But I know that you do not have the love of God...
  5. Chadrho

    What is the affect on The Fall and The Atonement, if Adam was not the first human?

    That wasn't an opinion of mine. The definite article is in the Greek text. If you don't know what you're talking about, at least have the humility to admit it.
  6. Chadrho

    What affect is there on The Fall and The Atonement, if Adam was not the first human?

    From one point of view it's harsh. If we see it merely as punishment for a wrong done, it's just mean. From the point of view of the divine intention for life, it's the end of sin and the corruptability of this embodied existence, and it's the entrance into one where "righteousness is at home."...
  7. Chadrho

    What affect is there on The Fall and The Atonement, if Adam was not the first human?

    I don't have a definitive judgment about the genealogies, OT or NT. Despite the differences, I think the ones in the NT are probably tracking something close to the truth, at least back to David. And the same for the OT genealogies. These are referencing ancient memories that probably track the...
  8. Chadrho

    What affect is there on The Fall and The Atonement, if Adam was not the first human?

    That's true; they both concern origins. And, I too desire to find some harmony between them. I think it's possible. Well, I do harmonize the two. But I also know when it comes to God, science simply can't speak to that. It's confined by the limits of creation and methods. The moment a scientist...
  9. Chadrho

    What is your best argument for the existence of God?

    I agree with the presenter that the teleological and personal experience arguments are the best arguments. His observations about how these can be used to mistreat atheists/agnostics is helpful but using them in that way are not essential to the arguments. Kalam is a good one but doesn't say...
  10. Chadrho

    What is the affect on The Fall and The Atonement, if Adam was not the first human?

    Thank you so much for the encouragement! May the peace of our Lord be with you, too. :) I hear what you're saying, but I don't know that it's possible to not have presuppositions. We all bring something to the text. And, I think the orthodox settled a number of presuppositions very early on...
  11. Chadrho

    What affect is there on The Fall and The Atonement, if Adam was not the first human?

    Agreed. He uses Son of Man to the virtual exclusion of Son of God. It's like he's saying, "This is what being human is supposed to look like, will look like."
  12. Chadrho

    What affect is there on The Fall and The Atonement, if Adam was not the first human?

    I think so. I think the tendency to pit the scriptural account and the scientific understanding against each other is, ultimately, the result of a category mistake. One is a theory based on a set of evidence that can be convincing or not by various degrees. The other is a set of sacred writings...
  13. Chadrho

    How to trigger a mass resurgence in christianity

    I agree that a great motivator for change is pain of one sort or another. I don't think followers of Christ need an external mechanism to change; although, such a mechanism might engender repentance. Followers of Christ are called to deny themselves and take up their cross. If we aren't doing...
  14. Chadrho

    What affect is there on The Fall and The Atonement, if Adam was not the first human?

    Good question. I just meant it's hard to determine when humanity emerged as distinct species from other hominids. If we take a literal interpretation of "Adam" (humanity) and "Eve" (living/mother of life) then the seed of the woman (singular) referenced in Gen. 3:15 is a living human, i.e. Son...
  15. Chadrho

    What is the affect on The Fall and The Atonement, if Adam was not the first human?

    Then your version isn't translating the Greek accurately because the definite article is definitely there: hoi polloi meaning "the many." Since "all" means all in verse 18, then it makes sense that "the many" in verse 19 is referencing the same all. Perhaps your version has an agenda to...
  16. Chadrho

    What affect is there on The Fall and The Atonement, if Adam was not the first human?

    (This turned out to be incredibly long. Sorry, y'all) For me, the place between science and religion is myth and metaphor, i.e. spiritual readings that treat the scriptures as sacramental-revealing Christ and the divine intention for love and life. But that might seem a bit hasty. Lol What do...