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  1. jeffweeder

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Yes, there are sheep and goats at his coming. Nobody else right? The sheep inherit the kingdom prepared from the foundation of the world...that place where the tree of life was accessible. The goats are thrown into the lake of fire, and we all should know when this happens...after the...
  2. jeffweeder

    Daniel's Final "one week" of Daniel 9:27 Made Simple

    Absolutely true. Towards the end of the Babylonian captivity of 70 years, Daniel is fervently praying for his people's sins. The answer to that prayer was that Messiah would come and deal with the people's sin in the most wonderful way imaginable. Those Babylonian exiles were given a time frame...
  3. jeffweeder

    Daniel's Final "one week" of Daniel 9:27 Made Simple

    I am well aware of who the prophecy was for and assumed nothing. Daniels exiled people were promised a return to their land, and after 69 of those weeks the anointed Messiah would be revealed to his people. 25 So you are to know and understand that from the issuance of the command to...
  4. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    4 Therefore, we speak of you with pride among the churches of God for your steadfastness [your unflinching endurance, and patience] and your firm faith in the midst of all the persecution and [crushing] distress which you endure. 5 This is a positive proof of the righteous judgment of God [a...
  5. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    What believers are worthy to escape is God's righteous judgment. 2Thess 1 3 We ought always and indeed are morally obligated [as those in debt] to give thanks to God for you, brothers and sisters, as is fitting, because your faith is growing ever greater, and the [unselfish] love of each one of...
  6. jeffweeder

    Daniel's Final "one week" of Daniel 9:27 Made Simple

    It is clear what the 70 weeks are about. Seventy Weeks and the Messiah 24 “Seventy weeks [of years, or 490 years] have been decreed for your people and for your holy city (Jerusalem), to finish the transgression, to make an end of sins, to make atonement (reconciliation) for wickedness, to...
  7. jeffweeder

    When was Satan cast out of heaven, down to the earth?

    His activity was clearly restrained. 2Thess 2 6 And you know what restrains him now, so that he will be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is removed. 8 Then that lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord...
  8. jeffweeder

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Where did Jesus make it clear that he was speaking of two? Where did Jesus first discuss his promise to come again? John 14 “Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In My Father’s house are many rooms; if that were not so, I would have told you, because I am...
  9. jeffweeder

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    I didn't leave anything out. I quoted that passage to you. Jesus coming is always about him coming and receiving his own to himself. 1Thess 4 is no different I agree. So anyone who believes that Paul alludes to 2 different comings is not to be listened to. What he taught them in 1Thess is what...
  10. jeffweeder

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    I understand that Paul didn't start referring to some other coming he told them about in the previous letter. 2Thess 2 2 Now we ask you, brothers and sisters, regarding the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, 2 that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or...
  11. jeffweeder

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Not so. Paul actually believes that the Lord comes with his Angels. He clarifies his position in his second letter to those Thessalonians, 2Thess 1 6 For after all it is only right for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted, along with...
  12. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Just saying After Jesus second coming would have sufficed.
  13. jeffweeder

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Welcome steward, Good post. Just to add a few more scriptures to the list..., 2Tim 4 I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom: 2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season...
  14. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Jesus ascended and was hidden by a cloud. He was then presented before the Father. That Happened. He was given dominion and a kingdom. Dan 7 13 “I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a son of man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And...
  15. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I prefer diced or julienne but never butchered like that.
  16. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I will give it a go. The 144.000 are a percentage of all the tribes of Israel. That places them into another class of people with Abraham's quality of faith and Abe wasnt an Israelite or a jew. Just a little bit of Abe in all of them and any other human being who believes in Jesus. That creates...
  17. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    You have just set a new world record for the number of times you have been wrong. Job 14 10 But a man dies and lies prostrate. A person passes away, and where is he? 11 As water evaporates from the sea, And a river becomes parched and dried up, 12 So a man lies down and does not rise. Until the...
  18. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Neither Matt 24 or 25 say anything about him ruling over the nations. Its all about mourning in anticipation of judgment - Imo. I am of the opinion that Dan 7 is about the Son being presented to the Father after his victory on the cross. “I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with...
  19. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Thanks. In both instances the elect are gathered to him (to his right) from all nations. The rest from all nations mourn as they end up on his left. Revelation 1:7 Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes (nations) of the...