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  1. ProDeo

    A bit of a mess in the White House.

    A treaty is a treaty and I don't have to be an American expert to understand what that means. Putin the dictator who kills every political opponent (Alexei Navalny and Yevgeny Prigozhin as the last 2 examples) broke the treaty in 2014 taking Ukraine land, the annexation of Crimea because Putin...
  2. ProDeo

    A bit of a mess in the White House.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum Forgot about that? The US and some EU countries signed a contract to protect Ukraine. Biden did. The EU did. Trump is about to break that treaty.
  3. ProDeo

    Where did the Bible come from? - Shot out of a canon

    Rev 14:9 And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, Rev 14:10 he also will drink the wine of God's wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be...
  4. ProDeo

    Where did the Bible come from? - Shot out of a canon

    Indeed, mind boggling. And fit for His purpose.
  5. ProDeo

    Where did the Bible come from? - Shot out of a canon

    It's not a conclusion, it was followed by - Deut 29:29 “The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things that are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law. Cannon was closed as you say, no more revelations from God, a human...
  6. ProDeo

    Where did the Bible come from? - Shot out of a canon

    Sure I understand Universalism. Rom 11:32 For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all. But this is the same Paul - 2Thess 1:9 They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might,
  7. ProDeo

    Where did the Bible come from? - Shot out of a canon

    If God had created all His creatures without free will, there would have been no sin. A bit of Plato logic. The Cycle of Opposites The first argument is based on the cyclical interchange by means of which every quality comes into being from its own opposite. Hot comes from cold and cold from...
  8. ProDeo

    Where did the Bible come from? - Shot out of a canon

    Not if Universalism is true. Not if Universalism is true. As initially said I don't think either but the same reasoning counts after the devil successfully seduced A&E. God wanting to punish him (I will avoid the word LOF) and satan made his accusations to escape from punishment. Why did the...
  9. ProDeo

    Where did the Bible come from? - Shot out of a canon

    Sheol only, not hell burning forever. I want to check if we can agree on the following, what's the origin of sin? Answer, free will.
  10. ProDeo

    Where did the Bible come from? - Shot out of a canon

    I don't think either, but what if the Lord wanted to throw the devil into the LOF after he rebelled and wanted to overtake God. And the devil accused God of being a tyrant, unloving, unmerciful, not righteous, accusing is his specialty as we know. And God said, I will show that I am not all of...
  11. ProDeo

    Where did the Bible come from? - Shot out of a canon

    Correct, they forbid challenging studies from some of the ECF's but added loads of questionable stuff themselves. Need to go.
  12. ProDeo

    Where did the Bible come from? - Shot out of a canon

    I haven't noticed that, but a few months ago I had a big one to show both beliefs have issues. The irony of Annihilation vs Universalism is that both have as spearhead that a loving God does not torture unrepentant people trillion x trillion x trillion of years and beyond. That's it for now...
  13. ProDeo

    Where did the Bible come from? - Shot out of a canon

    You are good answering my questions with counter questions, just kidding, as for an answer I would say : Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross. Filipp 2:10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee...
  14. ProDeo

    Where did the Bible come from? - Shot out of a canon

    So Jack, you live in fear 24/7?
  15. ProDeo

    Where did the Bible come from? - Shot out of a canon

    I like Universalism because I am a softy who likes harmony and good Hollywood endings, but that's not my main reason, my main reason is that the Father and the Son in the end get what they always desired, that all come to repentance, wouldn't that be great for Them? Having said that, I am not...
  16. ProDeo

    Where did the Bible come from? - Shot out of a canon

    I know you are uni, I am not, but I have the desire to believe it, and actually today I realized the Lord has the same desire!, on several occasions in Scripture we read He desires everybody to be saved. A wow moment. I will share some of my thoughts in separate post, long winded I am afraid...
  17. ProDeo

    Where did the Bible come from? - Shot out of a canon

    Of course we should fear the Lord, He is our Creator, He is Holy, we are sinners in need for Christ, else we are nothing. We need to be born again. That's our base. And if we are : 1 John 4:16 So we have come to know and to believe the love that God has for us. God is love, and whoever abides...
  18. ProDeo

    Where did the Bible come from? - Shot out of a canon

    That's true. Are you afraid you (perhaps) don't belong to the elect and that (maybe) you will burn forever?
  19. ProDeo

    Where did the Bible come from? - Shot out of a canon

    To love the Lord because He loved us first. First thought that came up.
  20. ProDeo

    Where did the Bible come from? - Shot out of a canon

    You only preach hell Jack ?