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Dash RipRock · Saturday at 7:12 PM

Matthias said:
Before or after my conversion from trinitarianism to Jewish monotheism?

If you are trying to live under the law of moses, that makes you like the Galatians - fallen from grace.

Did you cut this verse out of your Bible?

1 John 5:7 - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Or do you reject the New Covenant altogether?

Matthias · Saturday at 7:15 PM

Dash RipRock said:
If you are trying to live under the law of moses, that makes you like the Galatians - fallen from grace.

I’m not trying to live under the law of Moses. I’m still wondering about your motive.

Dash RipRock · Saturday at 7:19 PM

Matthias said:
I’m not. I’m still wondering about your motive.

This is a discussion forum and I'm reacting to some of the things you have said in this thread.

It would be odd for someone to come to a discussion forum and then not want to discuss.

So, to discuss or not to discuss - that is the question.

PS95 · Saturday at 7:37 PM

Matthias said:
In general, non-trinitarianism. In particular, Jewish monotheism.

In their minds, “Christian” = “Nicene Christianity only”. Anything outside of that, again, in their minds = “non-Christian“.

You're confusing me. You said it was not because you didn't believe in the trinity and now you say it was.

Matthias said:
Yes. That’s right.

Ok, I thought so, and that is far more than a Jw believes and is the most crucial part!! . So what's the deal with your restrictions? This makes no sense to me. You even worship Christ.
Jws nope.- angel.
I find your restrictions astonishing and unevenly distributed.

Matthias said:
The earliest followers of Jesus weren’t called Christians. It is because of that that I’m comfortable not insisting on the title for myself. It has come to cover many theologies and Christologies in addition to mine. If it‘s going to aggravate and irritate other members - and it has some - generally dispensing with it (you’ll still find me saying that I’m a primitive Christian from time to time) is a good will gesture that I’m willing to make for the sake of peace.

I see. I beg to differ in that they were first called, Christians in Antioch as the scriptures say. Yes, they were mockingly called that, and that's why I do accept it. Mockers mock..
I don't think that the apostles walked about calling themselves, Christians at that time, but they were called it. Over time, it became the norm. They seem to have called themselves followers of Christ, Apostles of Christ-servants of Christ etc However, .I despise splitting hairs.
Anyway, I didn't come to you for that discussion of which I have no interest. I am aware of your preferred title.
I am still baffled by how you said it was not about the trinity and then said it was. makes no sense.

Matthias · Saturday at 7:41 PM

Dash RipRock said:
This is a discussion forum and I'm reacting to some of the things you have said in this thread.

As I said, I appreciate your interest, but I still don’t know why you’re interested in my faith story.

Dash RipRock said:
It would be odd for someone to come to a discussion forum and then not want to discuss.

How much interest do you have in discussing Jewish monotheism?

Dash RipRock said:
So, to discuss or not to discuss - that is the question.

Well, I asked if you wanted to know how I became a Christian before or after my conversion from trinitarianism to Jewish monotheism.

Matthias · Saturday at 7:48 PM

PS95 said:
You're confusing me. You said it was not because you didn't believe in the trinity and now you say it was.

The restrictions came from my request to change my registration from “Christian” to “Other Faith”.

The zealots wanted all non-trinitarians to be removed from Christianity Board. Some of the zealots left when they didn’t get what they wanted.

PS95 said:
Ok, I thought so, and that is far more than a Jw believes and is the most crucial part!! . So what's the deal with your restrictions? This makes no sense to me. You even worship Christ.

I volunteered for them.

PS95 said:
Jws nope.- angel.
I find your restrictions astonishing and unevenly distributed.

Why? It‘s what I asked for.

My time spent here is so much better now than it was when I had the privilege of posting in “Christians Only“ forums.

PS95 said:
I see. I beg to differ in that they were first called, Christians in Antioch as the scriptures say. Yes, they were mockingly called that, and that's why I do accept it. Mockers mock..
I don't think that the apostles walked about calling themselves, Christians at that time, but they were called it. Over time, it became the norm. They seem to have called themselves followers of Christ, Apostles of Christ-servants of Christ etc However, .I despise splitting hairs.
Anyway, I didn't come to you for that discussion of which I have no interest. I am aware of your preferred title.
I am still baffled by how you said it was not about the trinity and then said it was. makes no sense.

PS95 · Saturday at 7:49 PM

Matthias said:
The restrictions came from my request to change my registration from “Christian” to “Other Faith”.
The zealots wanted all non-trinitarians to be removed from Christianity Board. Some of them left when they didn’t get what they wanted.
I volunteered for them. Why? It‘s what I asked for.

I see. Ok, sure that explains it. Thanks.

Pet · Saturday at 8:53 PM

Matthias said:
I’m a good listener. I’ll be around if you’d like to tell me about Jesus and the things of God. You have my ear.

Hi matthias,
In 2011, i decided to 'devote everything to The Lord'.
My plan began with focusing on the four practical acts that the early church did (resulting in The Lord adding to their number daily).
Three of them, I could do on my own, but the fellowship was a corporate act, obviously.
My pastor's teaching was amazing, but there was no follow up. The post service 'fellowship' was small talk, with no spiritual enlightenment whatsoever. housegroup was just a gossip club.
Behind the scenes. My church was falling apart, because the tide of opinion was turning against my pastor (He was challenging).
Eventually he resigned.
I started on forums after exhausting every other fellowship attempt.
I hardly go on forums anymore.
I have not found 'real' Christian fellowship...it's been fourteen years. I'm running out of time.

bdavidc · Saturday at 10:46 PM

Pet said:
If your partner, family, friends etc, don't often talk about Jesus, and the things of God...they're not real Christians!
Do not be deceived.

I’ve thought about this many times too, and it really does make you wonder. While salvation is by grace through faith and not by works or outward behavior (Ephesians 2:8–9), Scripture also makes it clear that genuine believers will have a heart for Christ and a growing desire to speak of the things of God. Jesus said, “Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh” (Matthew 12:34). So when someone consistently shows no interest in Jesus, no love for His Word, and no desire for fellowship with other believers, that’s not a small issue; it’s a serious red flag. Real faith produces real fruit, conviction of sin, a transformed life, spiritual growth, and a desire to follow Christ.

That’s why we should be concerned when a person claims to be a Christian but shows no hunger for God or evidence of being born again. Jesus warned, “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven” (Matthew 7:21). A profession of faith without a changed life is not biblical salvation, it’s deception.

And today, that deception is everywhere. Many false teachers promote a version of Christianity that leaves people convinced they’re saved because they repeated a prayer or made a vague commitment, but never repented, never submitted to Christ, and never experienced transformation. These teachers strip the gospel of its power, removing the call to repentance and holiness. Jesus warned of “wolves in sheep’s clothing” (Matthew 7:15), and Paul warned that many would follow “another gospel” (Galatians 1:6–9). Sadly, that’s what we’re seeing all around us: false converts who were never truly born again because they were never given the true gospel.

We’re not called to pass final judgment on anyone’s soul, but we are commanded to test everything by Scripture and to speak the truth in love. “Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith” (2 Corinthians 13:5). “And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire” (Jude 1:23). If someone you care about shows no evidence of salvation, the most loving thing you can do is confront them with the truth, pray for them, and point them to Christ. Don’t ignore the signs. Eternity is on the line.

This may help: True & False Conversion

ProDeo · Sunday at 2:26 AM

Matthias said:
He’s an agnostic. What are you anticipating his decision will be?

And probably ex Christian?

But I did not like his fishy stuff, no need to trample Jesus.

2bme · Sunday at 2:52 AM

Now I think about it. Becoming a real Christian is something only God can accomplish for that person. "So that no-one may boast"

2bme · Sunday at 2:59 AM

If you're a Christian of your own doing or choice, your not a Christian.

NotTheRock · Sunday at 3:06 AM

2bme said:
If you're a Christian of your own doing or choice, your not a ChChristian.

Alright, who told you to say that?

NotTheRock · Sunday at 3:08 AM

2bme said:
Now I think about it. Becoming real Christian is something only God can accomplish for that person. "So that no-one may boast"

christsavedme · Sunday at 3:41 AM

“bdavidc said:
I’ve thought about this many times too, and it really does make you wonder. While salvation is by grace through faith and not by works or outward behavior (Ephesians 2:8–9), Scripture also makes it clear that genuine believers will have a heart for Christ and a growing desire to speak of the things of God. Jesus said, “Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh” (Matthew 12:34).

So when someone consistently shows no interest in Jesus, no love for His Word, and no desire for fellowship with other believers, that’s not a small issue; it’s a serious red flag. Real faith produces real fruit, conviction of sin, a transformed life, spiritual growth, and a desire to follow Christ.

That’s why we should be concerned when a person claims to be a Christian but shows no hunger for God or evidence of being born again. Jesus warned, “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven” (Matthew 7:21). A profession of faith without a changed life is not biblical salvation, it’s deception.

And today, that deception is everywhere. Many false teachers promote a version of Christianity that leaves people convinced they’re saved because they repeated a prayer or made a vague commitment, but never repented, never submitted to Christ, and never experienced transformation. These teachers strip the gospel of its power, removing the call to repentance and holiness. Jesus warned of “wolves in sheep’s clothing” (Matthew 7:15), and Paul warned that many would follow “another gospel” (Galatians 1:6–9). Sadly, that’s what we’re seeing all around us: false converts who were never truly born again because they were never given the true gospel.

We’re not called to pass final judgment on anyone’s soul, but we are commanded to test everything by Scripture and to speak the truth in love. “Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith” (2 Corinthians 13:5). “And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire” (Jude 1:23). If someone you care about shows no evidence of salvation, the most loving thing you can do is confront them with the truth, pray for them, and point them to Christ. Don’t ignore the signs. Eternity is on the line.

This may help: True & False Conversion

I really appreciate how you lay out the heart‑issues behind “easy” assurances of salvation. We know that genuine spiritual change leaves footprints—new habits, fresh convictions, deeper love for God’s word, and real community with others.

Why it matters: Soul health isn’t about ticking prayer‑boxes. It’s about a living relationship that reshapes our desires and actions. Red flags pop up when someone claims faith but shows no hunger for growth. Jesus Himself warned about empty professions (Matthew 7:21) and false teachers (Matthew 7:15).

At the end of the day, eternity really is at stake—but so is our daily walk. A faith that doesn’t transform is like a tree without fruit. Let’s keep the lines of honest conversation open, pray for one another, and encourage real heart change.

Pet · Sunday at 4:55 AM

Yes

bdavidc said:
I’ve thought about this many times too, and it really does make you wonder. While salvation is by grace through faith and not by works or outward behavior (Ephesians 2:8–9), Scripture also makes it clear that genuine believers will have a heart for Christ and a growing desire to speak of the things of God. Jesus said, “Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh” (Matthew 12:34). So when someone consistently shows no interest in Jesus, no love for His Word, and no desire for fellowship with other believers, that’s not a small issue; it’s a serious red flag. Real faith produces real fruit, conviction of sin, a transformed life, spiritual growth, and a desire to follow Christ.

That’s why we should be concerned when a person claims to be a Christian but shows no hunger for God or evidence of being born again. Jesus warned, “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven” (Matthew 7:21). A profession of faith without a changed life is not biblical salvation, it’s deception.

And today, that deception is everywhere. Many false teachers promote a version of Christianity that leaves people convinced they’re saved because they repeated a prayer or made a vague commitment, but never repented, never submitted to Christ, and never experienced transformation. These teachers strip the gospel of its power, removing the call to repentance and holiness. Jesus warned of “wolves in sheep’s clothing” (Matthew 7:15), and Paul warned that many would follow “another gospel” (Galatians 1:6–9). Sadly, that’s what we’re seeing all around us: false converts who were never truly born again because they were never given the true gospel.

We’re not called to pass final judgment on anyone’s soul, but we are commanded to test everything by Scripture and to speak the truth in love. “Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith” (2 Corinthians 13:5). “And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire” (Jude 1:23). If someone you care about shows no evidence of salvation, the most loving thing you can do is confront them with the truth, pray for them, and point them to Christ. Don’t ignore the signs. Eternity is on the line.

This may help: True & False Conversion

Thankyou for the link... & Totally agree. We can't judge, but i do have to be careful who i spend valuable time with.
I just can't waste any more time with small talk in churches.
I can't underestimate the power of prayer with my loved ones either. If believers on here could pray for my nearest & dearest, that would be wonderful. Thankyou

Pet · Sunday at 5:02 AM

bdavidc said:
I’ve thought about this many times too, and it really does make you wonder. While salvation is by grace through faith and not by works or outward behavior (Ephesians 2:8–9), Scripture also makes it clear that genuine believers will have a heart for Christ and a growing desire to speak of the things of God. Jesus said, “Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh” (Matthew 12:34). So when someone consistently shows no interest in Jesus, no love for His Word, and no desire for fellowship with other believers, that’s not a small issue; it’s a serious red flag. Real faith produces real fruit, conviction of sin, a transformed life, spiritual growth, and a desire to follow Christ.

That’s why we should be concerned when a person claims to be a Christian but shows no hunger for God or evidence of being born again. Jesus warned, “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven” (Matthew 7:21). A profession of faith without a changed life is not biblical salvation, it’s deception.

And today, that deception is everywhere. Many false teachers promote a version of Christianity that leaves people convinced they’re saved because they repeated a prayer or made a vague commitment, but never repented, never submitted to Christ, and never experienced transformation. These teachers strip the gospel of its power, removing the call to repentance and holiness. Jesus warned of “wolves in sheep’s clothing” (Matthew 7:15), and Paul warned that many would follow “another gospel” (Galatians 1:6–9). Sadly, that’s what we’re seeing all around us: false converts who were never truly born again because they were never given the true gospel.

We’re not called to pass final judgment on anyone’s soul, but we are commanded to test everything by Scripture and to speak the truth in love. “Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith” (2 Corinthians 13:5). “And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire” (Jude 1:23). If someone you care about shows no evidence of salvation, the most loving thing you can do is confront them with the truth, pray for them, and point them to Christ. Don’t ignore the signs. Eternity is on the line.

This may help: True & False Conversion

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Matthias · Sunday at 7:10 AM

Pet said:
Anyway, you come across as quite normal to me, but I've been deceived before, so...

I’m registered on Christianity Board as “Other Faith”. Occasionally someone will ask me why I’m not registered as “Christian”. I don’t mind at all when they do.

You’re also registered here as “Other Faith”. If you don’t mind me asking, why are you not registered as “Christian”?

Pet · Sunday at 8:27 AM

Matthias said:
I’m registered on Christianity Board as “Other Faith”. Occasionally someone will ask me why I’m not registered as “Christian”. I don’t mind at all when they do.

You’re also registered here as “Other Faith”. If you don’t mind me asking, why are you not registered as “Christian”?

Idk, think there were drop down options, which I didn't want to identify with. Like maybe pentecostal or baptist or whatever.
I'm a lone Christian. No denomination. Not even church going. just read The Bible and some commentaries. Currently in hebrews, and it still baffles me...I tried to msg you, but it won't let me.

Matthias · Sunday at 11:34 AM

“Bless me O God. O may I be a real vital Christian.” - William Wilberforce

I like his attitude.

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