Why We Dont See Casting Out of Devils

soberxp · Apr 10, 2025

Ronald Nolette said:
No the torment comes from outside. We give them the access to our mind and heart and soul with the trhought projections they muuter and chirp in our ears. They can only project no enter.

We become tormented because we listen to and believe the lies they cast and yes sin leaves a believer vulnerable to the suggestions of a demon. But they cannot enter in. They cannot abide int eh presence of ther Holy Spirit inside us. We may grieve and even quench the Spirit by our sin, but He still resides full force in us.

When a believer is tempted by the devil, what do you think will happen if the believer agrees to the temptation?
These devil temptations do not come from the outside, they invade the believer's mind, and as long as the mind accepts the temptation, then the devil succeeds.
Devil temptations can come from all sorts of things, such as our emotions, sadness, anger, and so on.

doctrox · Apr 10, 2025

Rockerduck said:
I don't believe any born again from above, chosen in Christ, Christian, can be indwelled by a demon spirit. The Holy Spirit enables a Christian to use the name of Christ, to cast a demon out.

What we may "believe" is irrelevant; rather, a response that has scripture as its basis is what is required here. As shown with scripture in my previous post, a devil can dwell in one's flesh - ANYONE'S flesh - if they have given that devil an open door i.e. if there is unconfessed sin present. This is why SANCTIFICATION is so important. This is why the ones who OVERCOME are the ones who get the victory.

Also, we must be careful about using words that are NOT scripture, such as "indwell." No one can demonstrate, with scripture, that a born again believer has any "indwelling" spirit.The word indwelling can have differing meanings, and it does not appear in the KJB -- just another reason to avoid those popular traditional church phrases like "indwelled by a demon spirit."

It may sound as if I'm splitting hairs, but far from it. There are four meanings for the word indwell. Two of those definitions are: To inhabit or to abide - and those two definitions are NOT synonymous with possession.

However, the word dwell is found in scripture, but it does not mean possess. It is translated as: abide; place; remain; inhabit; rest; set; continue; dwellers; dwelling -- again, none of these are equivalent to possession.

The word oppression ("oppresseth" and "oppress") does appear about 30 times in the KJB. Most people seem to understand the fundamental difference between oppression and possession. But, still keep in mind the salient point: an act of oppression is not necessarily limited to an area outside of the body.

A born again believer can have a devil resident in his flesh and not be possessed (ask Paul, or ask me!) -- one’s skin is no magical barrier to where the devil may be located, so any distinction implied between oppression and worldly "indwelling" is moot. (The definition of indwelling can confuse, because it can imply either temporance or permanence. Indwelling: inhabiting, dwelling, abiding, or possessing.)

To restate, check the argument over whether or not a believer can be possessed by a demon. Well, no, a believer's Spirit cannot be owned by a demon, but the believer's flesh can certainly be oppressed, by a devil that dwells within the flesh, to the point of impotency or far worse. Basically, anything that is not consecrated to God (which would include sin-generating areas within one's flesh) is fair game for demons.

Ritajanice said:
They would cast them out under the authority of Christ I would imagine?

Absolutely.

I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. (John 5:30).

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. (John 15:5).

I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith. (Gal. 2:20).

You can’t cast them out under our “ own” authority can we?

Absolutely not. Recall Sceva and his seven sons, Jewish vagabond exorcists, who tried that. They got their backsides handed to them as they fled naked into the street. (Acts 19:14-16). A chief priest, no less, did not possess the authority to deal with a devil spirit!

Ronald Nolette said:
No the torment comes from outside. We give them the access to our mind and heart and soul with the trhought projections they muuter and chirp in our ears. They can only project no enter.

We become tormented because we listen to and believe the lies they cast and yes sin leaves a believer vulnerable to the suggestions of a demon. But they cannot enter in. They cannot abide int eh presence of ther Holy Spirit inside us. We may grieve and even quench the Spirit by our sin, but He still resides full force in us.

My wife once believed that the mere skin of a believer acted as a physical barrier to demonic penetration. Do you see the futility in such a stance? It wouldn't matter if the demon was just outside your skin, or resident within one of your joints. The flesh remains the flesh, and the spirit remains the spirit, and the two shall never join - regardless that they might appear to be sharing the same location. Ronald Nolette, satanists can ritualistically "install" a demon into a baby that is still in its mother's womb - not because of anything the baby did, but because of someone's sin(s).

Rockerduck · Apr 10, 2025

doctrox said:
What we may "believe" is irrelevant; rather, a response that has scripture as its basis is what is required here. As shown with scripture in my previous post, a devil can dwell in one's flesh - ANYONE'S flesh - if they have given that devil an open door i.e. if there is unconfessed sin present. This is why SANCTIFICATION is so important. This is why the ones who get the victory are the ones who OVERCOME.

Also, we must be careful about using words that are NOT scripture, such as "indwell." No one can demonstrate, with scripture, that a born again believer has any "indwelling" spirit.The word indwelling can have differing meanings, and it does not appear in the KJB -- just another reason to avoid those popular traditional church phrases like "indwelled by a demon spirit."

It may sound as if I'm splitting hairs, but far from it. There are four meanings for the word indwell. Two of those definitions are: To inhabit or to abide - and those two definitions are NOT synonymous with possession.

However, the word dwell is found in scripture, but it does not mean possess. It is translated as: abide; place; remain; inhabit; rest; set; continue; dwellers; dwelling -- again, none of these are equivalent to possession.

The word oppression ("oppresseth" and "oppress") does appear about 30 times in the KJB. Most people seem to understand the fundamental difference between oppression and possession. But, still keep in mind the salient point: an act of oppression is not necessarily limited to an area outside of the body.

A born again believer can have a resident devil and not be possessed (ask Paul, or ask me!) -- one’s skin is no magical barrier to where the devil may be located, so any distinction implied between oppression and worldly "indwelling" is moot. (The definition of indwelling can confuse, because it can imply either temporance or permanence. Indwelling: inhabiting, dwelling, abiding, or possessing.)

To restate, check the argument over whether or not a believer can be possessed by a demon. Well, no, a believer's Spirit cannot be owned by a demon, but the believer's flesh can certainly be oppressed, by a devil that dwells within the flesh, to the point of impotency or far worse. Basically, anything that is not consecrated to God (which would include sin-generating areas within one's flesh) is fair game for demons.

My wife once believed that the mere skin of a believer acted as a physical barrier to demonic penetration. Do you see the futility in such a stance? It wouldn't matter if the demon was just outside your skin, or resident within one of your joints. The flesh remains the flesh, and the spirit remains the spirit, and the two shall never join - regardless that they might appear to be sharing the same location. Ronald Nolette, satanists can ritualistically "install" a demon into a baby that is still in its mother's womb - not because of anything the baby did, but because of someone's sin(s).

Yes, you are splitting hairs, even If I use a modern term of indwell, it is a description of the Holy Spirit in us, at least, in me. The body is the Temple of the Holy Spirit. The body of a Christian is Holy/ Sanctified unto the Lord. 1 Corinthians 6:19 - Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?

Since God owns me, will God allow a demon in what belongs to Him?

1 John 4:4- He that is in me is greater than He that is in the world.

doctrox · Apr 10, 2025

Rockerduck said:
The body is the Temple of the Holy Spirit. The body of a Christian is Holy/ Sanctified unto the Lord.

For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, dwells no good thing (Rom. 7:18).

Rockerduck said:
Since God owns me, will God allow a demon in what belongs to Him?

When you physically die, where does your flesh go?

1 Corinthians 6:19 - Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?. Reproves them for going to law with one another about small matters, and bringing the cause before heathen judges (v. 1-8).

You quoted only the final verse of that chapter, without considering the context of what came before it.

In that chapter, Paul takes occasion to warn the ppl against many gross sins, to which they had been formerly addicted (v. 9-11). And, having cautioned them against the abuse of their liberty, he vehemently dissuades them from fornication, by various arguments (v. 12-20).

Paul argues from the obligation we are under to glorify God both with our body and spirit, which are his (v. 20). He made both, he bought both, and therefore both belong to him and should be used and employed for him, and therefore should not be defiled, alienated from him, and prostituted by us. No, they must be kept as vessels fitted for our Master's use. THIS IS WHERE SANCTIFICATION COMES INTO THE PICTURE. We must look upon our whole selves as holy to the Lord, and must use our bodies as property which belongs to him and is sacred to his use and service. We are to honour him with our bodies and spirits, which are his; and therefore, surely, must abstain from fornication; and not only from the outward act, but from the adultery of the heart, as our Lord calls it (Mat. 5:28). Body and spirit are to be kept clean, that God may be honoured by both. BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DO NOT USE OUR BODIES AS BELONGING TO GOD? But God is dishonoured when either is defiled by sin (in this example, through fornication). We are to use our bodies for the glory and service of our Lord and Maker. Note, We are not proprietors of ourselves, nor have power over ourselves, and therefore should not use ourselves according to our own pleasure, but according to his will, and for his glory, whose we are, and whom we should serve (Acts 27:23).

The chapter ends with TWO QUESTIONS, BACK-TO-BACK! IOW, whether or not a believer gets devils, is CONDITIONAL on the aforementioned behavior.

If we do not practice righteousness, then we are fair game for devils - whether outside, or inside, of the body/flesh.

And so, this all comes back to the OP, and why ppl are powerless today in dealing with devils. We're supposed to be casting those devils out of each other, but because we are not walking in righteousness, we, like Sceva and his seven sons, have not the authority in Christ to do so.

P.S. Ppl tend to associate casting out devils with "possession." Rather, one does not need to be "possessed" to have a devil cast out of him.

1 John 4:4- He that is in me is greater than He that is in the world.

You quoted only the second half of that verse. Here is the entire verse:

Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

overcome = to conquer and thereby free oneself from the power of the beast;
- conquer, overcome, prevail, get the victory; to come victorious from, to win the case;
- used of one who by Christian constancy and courage keeps himself unharmed and spotless from his adversary's devices, solicitations, assaults;
- to cause an enemy to repent of the wrong he has done one;
- of Christians, that hold fast their faith even unto death against the power of their foes, and their temptations and persecutions.
source

Rockerduck · Apr 10, 2025

doctrox said:
When you physically die, where does your flesh go?

to dirt.

Ronald Nolette · Apr 12, 2025

Angelina said:
Incorrect. Why would demons torment the outside of a believer when they have a legal right to enter due to unconfessed or unrepentant sin You misunderstand the concept of our relationship with the Lord. Our relationship with him is a two-sided agreement. If that agreement is broken because of unconfessed or unrepentant sin. That contract is broken until that believer confesses and repents; then that relationship is restored.

Wrong. The Holy Spirit never leaves a believer. A demon cannot possess what is possessed by God.

Sin breaks fellowship, but not relationship. Once we are made children of God by rebirth, we are children forever. we may be disobedient children, but children of God nonetheless.

Ronald Nolette · Apr 12, 2025

soberxp said:
When a believer is tempted by the devil, what do you think will happen if the believer agrees to the temptation?
These devil temptations do not come from the outside, they invade the believer's mind, and as long as the mind accepts the temptation, then the devil succeeds.
Devil temptations can come from all sorts of things, such as our emotions, sadness, anger, and so on.

Yes demons implant thoughts in our mind. but they cannot enter a believer because they are sealed by the Holy spirit. The devil may succeed in getting us to sin or even become oppressed by sin, but not possessed by a demon.

Angelina · Apr 12, 2025

Ronald Nolette said:
Wrong. The Holy Spirit never leaves a believer. A demon cannot possess what is possessed by God.

Sin breaks fellowship, but not relationship. Once we are made children of God by rebirth, we are children forever. we may be disobedient children, but children of God nonetheless.

The Holy Spirit does not leave the believer, brother @Ronald Nolette, that is correct, but a believer can ignore the Holy Spirit's prompting in conviction and repentance, and everything that believer does is recorded for the day of judgment. That is also correct; a demon cannot possess a believer, but an area of that believer's life can have a demon. Possession is a full takeover of that person's life, and this cannot be done because of the indwelling Holy Spirit. Fellowship is a relationship; a brother and a believer can be outside God's will ( outside the covenant relationship with God) if he does not confess and repent. Example: A letter from Paul to his church @Corinth -

1 Corinthians 5
5hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.

9 I wrote you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people. 10 I was not including the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing you not to associate with anyone who claims to be a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a verbal abuser, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

12What business of mine is it to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked man from among you.”

Triumph1300 · Apr 12, 2025

Why We Dont See Casting Out of Devils

Because it's not preached about.
IAnd leaders are not teaching it.
Satan has confused the church about it, people say it's not for today.
But the Lord says "I am the same YESTERDAY and TODAY and FOREVER.
I.o.w. Casting out devils is for today.

Earburner · Apr 12, 2025

Angelina said:
Well, I hate to burst your bubble there, brother, but I have been in the deliverance ministry (casting out demons) for 2 decades, and I can tell you now that I have cast out demons from believers and nonbelievers as well. Pastors, ministers , Christians, and non-Christians alike. The demons don't care. If you have unconfessed sin in your life and it's been there a long time, don't be surprised that you will eventually have a demon enter through that open doorway.

That may be the case for the professing religious christian, but as for the "born again" Christian, it is absolutely impossible for a demon to take up residence within them.

Apparently, you are not understanding the three parables about the strong man.
Matt.12
[29] Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.
Mark.3[27] No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.
Luke.11
[21] When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:

Ritajanice · Apr 12, 2025

Angelina said:
The Holy Spirit does not leave the believer, brother @Ronald Nolette, that is correct, but a believer can ignore the Holy Spirit's prompting in conviction and repentance,

Can you explain what you mean, when you say that a believer can ignore the Holy Spirit ‘s prompting in conviction and repentance.

It’s our inner man/ spirit that is convicted when we do wrong...that the way I view conviction...

Angelina said:
and everything that believer does is recorded for the day of judgment. That is also correct; a demon cannot possess a believer, but an area of that believer's life can have a demon. Possession is a full takeover of that person's life, and this cannot be done because of the indwelling Holy Spirit. Fellowship is a relationship; a brother and a believer can be outside God's will

You say a believer can be outside the will of God....I don’t believe a Born Again can be outside of Gods will....as their spirit is Born Again....they can certainly be disobedient to the will of God out of ignorance, and not understanding his will...it has happened to me....only the Spirit can lead us to do the will of the Father, as we grow and mature in Christ.....

As a Born Again...I would never in a million years “ deliberately” disobey the will of God..” once I understood what his will was”...my will longs to be in harmony with Gods will...which I believe it is at the moment.......I’d be crazy to deliberately go against God’s will, I’m shivering in me boots just thinking about it.... as I know what the consequences would be,Ive been disciplined by God and it darn well hurts..... plus a Born Again can’t go on sinning because they have been Born of Gods seed....what do you make of that?

Angelina said:
( outside the covenant relationship with God) if he does not confess and repent. Example: A letter from Paul to his church @Corinth -

1 Corinthians 5
5hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.

9 I wrote you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people. 10 I was not including the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing you not to associate with anyone who claims to be a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a verbal abuser, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

12What business of mine is it to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked man from among you.”

Not sure what this scripture has got to do with the present day of being Born Again and in the will of God.

Not dismissing what you are saying,Sister...just trying to understand your post....if I don’t make myself vulnerable and say that I don’t understand....then I will never learn will I?
I’m all about learning from the Spirit of God.....as he is my teacher/ helper.
God Bless.

Angelina · Apr 13, 2025

Earburner said:
That may be the case for the professing religious christian, but as for the "born again" Christian, it is absolutely impossible for a demon to take up residence within them.

Apparently, you are not understanding the three parables about the strong man.
Matt.12
[29] Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.
Mark.3[27] No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.
Luke.11
[21] When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:

Wrong again. It's very easy for born-again believers to step outside the will of God and even break that relationship with him due to unconfessed and unrepented sin. Very easy. You are referring to strongmen, brother. This has to do with casting a demon out, but first you have to bind the strongman. The strongman is Satan's authority and control over the world. The one that holds the power over the things within the house. In this instance, Jesus binds the strongman because he has the power and authority to free people from Satan's control. So basically it's a parable of Jesus control and authority over Satans domain.

Ritajanice · Apr 13, 2025

I agree with this short commentary @Ronald Nolette

Christians are indwelt by the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:9-11; 1 Corinthians 3:16; 6:19). Surely the Holy Spirit would not allow a demon to possess the same person He is indwelling. It is unthinkable that God would allow one of His children, whom He purchased with the blood of Christ (1 Peter 1:18-19) and made into a new creation (2 Corinthians 5:17), to be possessed and controlled by a demon. Yes, as believers, we wage war with Satan and his demons, but not from within ourselves. The apostle John declares, “You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the One who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world” (1 John 4:4). Who is the One in us? The Holy Spirit. Who is the one in the world? Satan and his demons. Therefore, the believer has overcome the world of demons, and the case for demon possession of a believer cannot be made scripturally

Angelina said.

but an area of that believer's life can have a demon

RJ asks .not sure what this means, what Angelina has posted above......an area of that believer ‘s life can have a demon....do you understand that?....because I don’t..plus is it Biblical?

Hopefully when she gets a minute, she can explain what she means in more detail.

Or maybe @Rockerduck has an idea of what she is saying?....I’m impatient...lol.

Rockerduck · Apr 13, 2025

Ritajanice said:
I agree with this short commentary @Ronald Nolette

Christians are indwelt by the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:9-11; 1 Corinthians 3:16; 6:19). Surely the Holy Spirit would not allow a demon to possess the same person He is indwelling. It is unthinkable that God would allow one of His children, whom He purchased with the blood of Christ (1 Peter 1:18-19) and made into a new creation (2 Corinthians 5:17), to be possessed and controlled by a demon. Yes, as believers, we wage war with Satan and his demons, but not from within ourselves. The apostle John declares, “You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the One who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world” (1 John 4:4). Who is the One in us? The Holy Spirit. Who is the one in the world? Satan and his demons. Therefore, the believer has overcome the world of demons, and the case for demon possession of a believer cannot be made scripturally

Angelina said.

but an area of that believer's life can have a demon

RJ asks .not sure what this means, what Angelina has posted above......an area of that believer ‘s life can have a demon....do you understand that?....because I don’t..plus is it Biblical?

Hopefully when she gets a minute, she can explain what she means in more detail.

Or maybe @Rockerduck has an idea of what she is saying?....I’m impatient...lol.

ShineTheLight · Apr 14, 2025

Ritajanice said:
They would cast them out under the authority of Christ I would imagine?

You can’t cast them out under our “ own” authority can we?

I also don’t believe that a demon can possess a “ Born Again “. @Rockerduck .....no demon can indwell the spirit of a Born Again ,for that is where the Living Spirit indwells.

Born Again of imperishable/ incorruptible seed.plus a Born Again does not continue to sin because they have been Born Of God’s seed.

The enemy can attack our minds....as we walk in faith, we can discern the enemy’s voice..and rebuke all of his lies...the closer we get to the Spirit Of God.

The enemy is the devil. But you should know something. God can be an enemy too, if a person is not in right-standing with him. This is one thing where the fear of God must be known.

I'll share you these passages/scriptures.

Job 33:10-11
10 Behold, he findeth occasions against me, he counteth me for his enemy,
11 He putteth my feet in the stocks, he marketh all my paths.

Romans 5:8-10
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Isaiah 1:18-20
18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:
20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.

Colossians 1:21-23
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

John 8:31-32
31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Galatians 5:1
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

Leviticus 26:13
I am the Lord your God, which brought you forth out of the land of Egypt, that ye should not be their bondmen; and I have broken the bands of your yoke, and made you go upright.

Read the rest of chapter 26 of Leviticus. It tells you what God will do to a person if they do not be reformed by his ways and walk contrary to him.

Angelina said:
That is true. A believer cannot be possessed; however, long-term, unconfessed, and unrepented sin can give the enemy a legal right to enter into a believer and torment them. Specific areas in their lives can be (what we call, demonized) or have a demon present.

Another thing is God controls everything and is the one who created good and evil. If a person is walking contrary to God's ways, God will deal with it accordingly. God can set an enemy on someone/people depending on what they've done.

Here are passages/scriptures I bring forward.

Isaiah 63:7-10
7 I will mention the lovingkindnesses of the Lord, and the praises of the Lord, according to all that the Lord hath bestowed on us, and the great goodness toward the house of Israel, which he hath bestowed on them according to his mercies, and according to the multitude of his lovingkindnesses.
8 For he said, Surely they are my people, children that will not lie: so he was their Saviour.
9 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.
10 But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.

Exodus 23:20-22
20 Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.
21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.
22 But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.

ShineTheLight · Apr 14, 2025

soberxp said:
When a believer is tempted by the devil, what do you think will happen if the believer agrees to the temptation?
These devil temptations do not come from the outside, they invade the believer's mind, and as long as the mind accepts the temptation, then the devil succeeds.
Devil temptations can come from all sorts of things, such as our emotions, sadness, anger, and so on.

This is why you should deny yourself, the flesh. Also not be conformed to the ways of this world.

Ritajanice · Apr 14, 2025

ShineTheLight said:
This is why you should deny yourself, the flesh.

7 The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so. 8 Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God. 9 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you.

Only a “ Born Again “ will see the Kingdom Of God.....we are in Gods realm when our spirit becomes Born Again.....who do you think leads us through scripture to bring it to our understanding?

ShineTheLight said:
Also not be conformed to the ways of this world.

Our old man died, the moment it became Born Again.....the only area the enemy can attack is our mind...it cannot touch or indwell our spirit..

Plus a Born Again does not continue to sin because they have been Born Of God’s seed....Gods Living testimony who births our spirit, cannot indwell the heart of a sinner.....tis the Living Spirit who brings forth life in Christ = Spirit gives birth to spirit......

We are to renew our minds daily...the renewing of our minds....to think the thoughts of Christ.....

◄ John 6:63 ►

Audio Cross Study Comm Greek
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life.

New Living Translation
The Spirit alone gives eternal life. Human effort accomplishes nothing. And the very words I have spoken to you are spirit and life.

English Standard Version
It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.

Romans 6:6-23

King James Version

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord

When God allows the enemy to attack our mind, we learn from it, or should do.....the enemy these days, is pretty quiet...he tries to enter my mind at times, only my gift of discernment has grown, so I pretty much recognise his tactics straight away.

Plus scripture verses do not testify with our spirit that it’s Born Again, only the Living Spirit can do that..

Romans 8:9-11

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9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Ritajanice · Apr 14, 2025

Angelina has still not answered my question I asked of her..I have no idea why she has gone silent on my question... ...I’m waiting for @Ronald Nolette input.

Rockerduck · Apr 14, 2025

I firmly believe that all who are in Christ cannot be influenced or indwelled by another spirit contrary to the Holy Spirit, in the same body of a Child of God, who is born again from above and their Spirit is renewed in Christ Jesus who we consist in and He in us.

Romans 8:38-39 - For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Galatians 2:20 - I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

Ephesians 3:16-20 - that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with might through His Spirit in the inner man, that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love, may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the width and length and depth and height— to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.

20 Now to Him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us,

Philippians - 4:7 - and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

We see in Phil 4:7 that it is the Peace of God that guards us.
We live and consist of and breath, in Christ Jesus, our sins, all of our sins, have been nailed to the Cross. Colossians 2:14

and lastly.

1 Corinthians 6:19-20 - Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? For you were bought at a price; therefore, glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.

Earburner · Apr 14, 2025

Angelina said:
Wrong again. It's very easy for born-again believers to step outside the will of God and even break that relationship with him due to unconfessed and unrepented sin. Very easy. You are referring to strongmen, brother. This has to do with casting a demon out, but first you have to bind the strongman. The strongman is Satan's authority and control over the world. The one that holds the power over the things within the house. In this instance, Jesus binds the strongman because he has the power and authority to free people from Satan's control. So basically it's a parable of Jesus control and authority over Satans domain.

Are you saying that the Holy Spirit of God (Jesus) leaves a born again Christian during the many times they fall into sin?
Surely you must know that there is not any one of us who will ever be sin-free, while living in our adamic mortal bodies.

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