If you’re a Christian and you support the modern geopolitical state of Israel, you deny that Christ is the Messiah. It's that simple.
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amigo de christo
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To the trenches dear sister . These be the last days . I have longed for HOME for a long time sister .
As i have longed for souls to be saved . THERE IS A CITY whose builder and maker is GOD
and one day the born again sheep Whose faith and trust was IN JESUS THE CHRIST gonna all be there .
OH its a paradise indeed dear sister . A HOME i have long awaited too .
amigo de christo
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You will be continually prayed for dear sister .
THERE is only ONE i can trust and hope in , as i am sure you are aware , ITS THE CHRIST OF GOD
His words are truth and they are meat .
Keep marching onwards and be encouraged to do lovely bible reads daily and be in prayer .
Aunty Jane
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The purpose of Jesus coming to this earth and being born as a human child was two-fold…..
1) His primary mission was to offer his sinless life in atonement for the one Adam lost for all of us.
2) He was sent to put the worship of his God and Father back on the rails….as true worship had been derailed by God’s adversary, through corruptible men used by the devil for that express purpose.
Why do we imagine that it benefits the devil to have so many “religions” in a world that serves his interests? (1 John 5:19)
And how many ‘branches’ of “Christianity” does it take to actually know the truth? The devil is a master of confusion and deception so that nothing is as it appears in this world. All the things that humans have been trained to trust, were never trustworthy in the first place.
In these “last days”, God said he would expose the world for what it is…..and people even now are shocked at how successful satan was in leading the majority of the human race down a road to destruction. (Matt 7:13-14) “Few” he said are found on “the road to life”….so where does that leave the majority?
How can people identify the ‘diamond’ in that pile of ‘broken glass’?
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The "three-ring circus" we call modern American Christianity began the moment the Scofield Reference Bible was smuggled into our seminaries around 1910. It wasn't just theology—it was a trojan horse, funded and distributed by enemies of the cross to rewrite eschatology from the inside out. And now here we are: on the brink of World War III and nuclear annihilation, not for the Gospel of Jesus Christ, but for a false, Christ-rejecting manufactured state that literally mocks Him to His face and laughs at the thought of his resurrection.
This thread is more fun than a three-ring circus. Send in the clowns!
Jesus Christ Himself called them the "Synagogue of Satan"—those who claim to be Jews but are not (Revelation 2:9, 3:9). He didn’t stutter. Paul didn’t disagree. John didn’t water it down. And yet Scofield’s fantasy gospel tells us to bow down, fund their wars, help rebuild their temple, and wait for them to kill enough people until they’re finally "ready" for Jesus.
I don't think anyone laughs at this ridiculous, Scofield notion more than the Talmudic jews themselves. And I don't blame them, its insanity squared and beyond laughable and most importantly, it doesn't say this in the New Testament of the Bible anywhere.Show me in the New Testament where it says slaughter in the Middle East, killing red heifers, and temple politics are prerequisites for "salvation". Show me where Jesus said, “Support those who deny Me now—they’ll come around after enough bloodshed.” You won’t find it. Because it’s not in the Gospel.
But you will find this:
"Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either." (1 John 2:23)
"He who is not with Me is against Me." (Matthew 12:30)
"I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6)
The Bible doesn’t teach two covenants. It teaches one Savior.
And He’s not coming back to congratulate Scofield.
When Jesus said "those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan" (Revelation 2:9), He wasn’t talking about atheists or pagans. He was talking about those who claim the title of "God's people" while actively rejecting God's Son.
That’s modern Talmudic Judaism in a nutshell—especially among the powerful elite in Rothschild's "Israel" who cling to the covenant without the Christ. They deny the Son, persecute His Body, and still expect His blessing.
That’s not spiritual blindness. That’s open rebellion.
And Jesus didn’t call them misunderstood. He called them the synagogue of Satan.
Aunty Jane
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You seem to ignore the fact that the offer can be rejected, simply by NOT putting faith in the sacrifice of the Christ.
The offer is open to all, but not all are willing to make any sacrifice for God and his Christ…..it’s all about Jesus giving them something for free…..yet we still have to qualify to accept the gift, and keep of lives free of sin in order to retain it. The offer has an expiry date…..
Even in Eden, continuing life was conditional……one had to be obedient to God and remain obedient in order to partake of the tree of life. What happened when they ignored that directive?
Aunty Jane
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The road to life is contrasted with the road to “destruction”……which is a permanent ‘dead end’…..so there are only two ways that a person can live….by God’s standards or their own. Some are misled into believing that the “free gift” offered by God and his son, has no conditions attached…..they will see that they are ‘dead wrong’ in that assumption.
We have choices for a reason…so we better make them in full knowledge….our eternal future depends on it.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
As a Born Again I’ve been set free from the shackles of sin...I belong to the Spirit Of God.
Am I free to live as I like...certainly not...I’ve been birthed into the Spirit Of Christ....‘tis he who lives in my spirit and I am being conformed into Jesus image daily....my testimony/ belief....
A Born Again is in the world...they are not of the world....they are in the Spiritual Kingdom Of God.....being used by God....all according to his purpose and plan.....
Aunty Jane
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God knows his own Ritajanice…..they are “no part of the world“ and they do not practice sin willfully, but like the apostles whom God chose with his son, they are human and sinful without meaning to be. Jesus was patient with them as he knew as the Psalmist did, that we are mere “dust”. (Psalm 103:10-14)
As imperfect humans we can still make mistakes, but as long as these are confessed and true repentance is shown, we can count on God’s forgiveness, through the sacrifice of his precious son. It is never something we can take for granted, nor can we alter our sinful state in this world. God helps us to overcome sin in our thinking and actions, but as long as Adam’s legacy remains in our bodies, we are not perfect. That will come at the end of Jesus’ thousand year reign. (Rom 7:19-25)
Behold
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Actually, im not a Calvinist or a Hyper-Calvinist...who teach the false theology that you can't reject being "pre-destined"...to believe (before you were born).
Calvinists, especially the Hyper-Calvinists, will tell you that you had no free will to choose to believe, but you were caused to believe, being "predestined".
Behold
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A Christian is a "new creation" and "all things have become new'... so, our "sinful state".. is "the old man of sin is dead".
The Fact is... now that the born again are "made rightesous" having become "THE righteousmess of God in Christ"... we can become more and more sanctified as a lifestyle.
And regarding the "sinful state"........ Peter says we have received the "divine nature".
The reason a Believer is struggling is because they have not understood who they have become "in Christ"... and are stuck in "trying to be good so that God will keep me"... ( LEGALISM).........., instead of walking in the revelation that we are always "in Christ".
Ritajanice
Born-Again
I respect your belief Aunty..,.i just don’t agree with it....God has already forgiven my sin...if he hadn’t, then I could not have been Born Of The Spirit....the Spirit cannot indwell the heart/ spirit of a sinner.
Neither can a sinner be led by the Spirit Of God....we have different beliefs my friend....I will leave it there....God Bless.
Its mind-shatteringly crazy when you finally see the damage the Scofield Bible has actually caused. This one truth—that Christians are the real spiritual Israel—makes the entire modern theological house of cards come crashing down.
And the craziest part? It’s been in the Bible the whole time.
Paul says “not all who are descended from Israel are Israel” (Romans 9:6). He calls the Church “the Israel of God”(Galatians 6:16). He says a true Jew is one “inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit”(Romans 2:28–29). And Jesus told the Pharisees, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would be doing the works Abraham did” (John 8:39).
It’s like some cosmic joke: the people of God forgot they’re the people of God… and started worshiping the very ones who rejected their King. We were meant to be the heirs, the continuation of the promise, the fulfilled covenant in Christ. But instead, we've bowed to those who denied the Messiah, helped prop up a Christless kingdom, and called it "holy".
Scofield flipped the entire thing upside-down. He took the identity of the Church and gave it to Christ-rejecting Zionists. Instead of realizing we are the covenant keepers through faith in Jesus, we've been told to serve the ones who broke the covenant, denied the Son, and now prepare the way for an Antichrist messiah.
And because we’re not called “New Jews” or “Covenant Israel,” Christians have completely lost sight of who they actually are. Satan has used this confusion to steal the Church’s identity, reroute its loyalty, and twist the Gospel into a tool for war, idolatry, and prophetic delusion.
But make no mistake: the real Israel that should be honored and defended today, is the Body of Christ—the true Church. Not the Rothschild-backed, Christ-rejecting political entity that wears the name "Israel" while mocking the Son of God. That land, and those who rule it while denying Jesus, are not the fulfillment of prophecy. They are a continuation of rebellion.
And the Scofield Bible? It didn’t just confuse people. It rewrote the Gospel into a blueprint for apostasy. It replaced the Cross with a timeline. It swapped out the Kingdom of Heaven for political Zionism. And it convinced millions of Christians to worship the shadows instead of the Light.
This is the key. This is the lens that makes all the madness in the modern Church make sense. The real Israel is not over there—it’s in here. In us. In the ones who have been born again by faith in Christ. And the war isn’t over land. It’s over truth.
And here’s the truth that flips the entire world system upside down:
Israel is not a country. It’s a people. It’s the Body of Christ.
Israel is not defined by borders—but by blood. Not the blood of Abraham, but the blood of Jesus.
Modern Israel is not a nation-state. It’s the Church.
The true inheritors of the promises, the covenant, and the Kingdom—are the followers of Jesus Christ. Not the synagogue that denies Him. Not the state that mocks Him. Not the bloodline that rejected Him.
If you are in Christ, YOU are Israel.
You are the chosen.
You are the holy nation.
You are the royal priesthood.
You are the fulfillment of prophecy.
And Satan has spent the last hundred years using the Scofield Bible to hide that from you—so you’d serve those who hate your King instead of standing as His witness in power.
Wake up, Church.
The real Israel has been you this whole time.
And the craziest part? It’s been in the Bible the whole time.
Paul says “not all who are descended from Israel are Israel” (Romans 9:6). He calls the Church “the Israel of God”(Galatians 6:16). He says a true Jew is one “inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit”(Romans 2:28–29). And Jesus told the Pharisees, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would be doing the works Abraham did” (John 8:39).
It’s like some cosmic joke: the people of God forgot they’re the people of God… and started worshiping the very ones who rejected their King. We were meant to be the heirs, the continuation of the promise, the fulfilled covenant in Christ. But instead, we've bowed to those who denied the Messiah, helped prop up a Christless kingdom, and called it "holy".
Scofield flipped the entire thing upside-down. He took the identity of the Church and gave it to Christ-rejecting Zionists. Instead of realizing we are the covenant keepers through faith in Jesus, we've been told to serve the ones who broke the covenant, denied the Son, and now prepare the way for an Antichrist messiah.
And because we’re not called “New Jews” or “Covenant Israel,” Christians have completely lost sight of who they actually are. Satan has used this confusion to steal the Church’s identity, reroute its loyalty, and twist the Gospel into a tool for war, idolatry, and prophetic delusion.
But make no mistake: the real Israel that should be honored and defended today, is the Body of Christ—the true Church. Not the Rothschild-backed, Christ-rejecting political entity that wears the name "Israel" while mocking the Son of God. That land, and those who rule it while denying Jesus, are not the fulfillment of prophecy. They are a continuation of rebellion.
And the Scofield Bible? It didn’t just confuse people. It rewrote the Gospel into a blueprint for apostasy. It replaced the Cross with a timeline. It swapped out the Kingdom of Heaven for political Zionism. And it convinced millions of Christians to worship the shadows instead of the Light.
This is the key. This is the lens that makes all the madness in the modern Church make sense. The real Israel is not over there—it’s in here. In us. In the ones who have been born again by faith in Christ. And the war isn’t over land. It’s over truth.
And here’s the truth that flips the entire world system upside down:
Israel is not a country. It’s a people. It’s the Body of Christ.
Israel is not defined by borders—but by blood. Not the blood of Abraham, but the blood of Jesus.
Modern Israel is not a nation-state. It’s the Church.
The true inheritors of the promises, the covenant, and the Kingdom—are the followers of Jesus Christ. Not the synagogue that denies Him. Not the state that mocks Him. Not the bloodline that rejected Him.
If you are in Christ, YOU are Israel.
You are the chosen.
You are the holy nation.
You are the royal priesthood.
You are the fulfillment of prophecy.
And Satan has spent the last hundred years using the Scofield Bible to hide that from you—so you’d serve those who hate your King instead of standing as His witness in power.
Wake up, Church.
The real Israel has been you this whole time.
Behold
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Adam and Eve were in Spiritual union with God , so they had eternal "spiritual life", in God.........until they rebelled, and then their spiritual union with God was lost, and the NT explains//defines this as "death".
When we are born again, we are recovered from this "death" and receive "The Gift of Eternal Life".
This is simply to be rejoined to God in spiritual union with God, as Adam and Eve had it before they threw it away.
Jesus explains it like this..
"ALL who believe in me, i give unto them Eternal Life, and they shall never go to Hell (Perish)""
Aunty Jane
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You know, @Behold, your posts are mostly devoid of the scripture needed to back up what you say…..
How about you allow the Bible to speak, as your words hardly compare, and your interpretation is easily open to challenge….though you present yourself as if you were Christ’s appointed mouthpiece…..are you his “faithful and wise slave”? (Matt 24:45) Is that how you see yourself?
What does it mean to be “born again” and why is it that so many who claim to be “born again” have disagreements with others who make the same claim? (1 Cor 1:10) Does the Christ exist divided?
How about you allow the Bible to speak, as your words hardly compare, and your interpretation is easily open to challenge….though you present yourself as if you were Christ’s appointed mouthpiece…..are you his “faithful and wise slave”? (Matt 24:45) Is that how you see yourself?
What does it mean to be “born again” and why is it that so many who claim to be “born again” have disagreements with others who make the same claim? (1 Cor 1:10) Does the Christ exist divided?
Behold
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As i told you, if you cause someone on this forum, to refuse to receive a life saving Blood Transfusion, then you killed them.
And you killed their child if that is the case.
How do you feel about that? @Aunty Jane ?
Do you want to "report" my post and find out how a Mod feels about it who has some genuine maturity and common sense and some legit understanding of the New Testament ??
Also...I asked you previously if you would let your Child die, vs allowing them to receive a Life Saving Transfusion.
So, did you answer that yet?
Did i miss your answer?
And, someone came into this discussing who was doing the usual Heretics dance of ignoring many clear verses, while posting one obtuse verse to try to prove your point of View that is the JW's doctrinal anti-blood Transfusion, demonic teaching.
See, i had gone to the JW.ORG and posted multiple verses that are found there... that all say..>>"do not EAT".. = "blood"., which is the meaning of "abstain from blood"......and i posted the verses.
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Behold
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It simply means that the believer has regained spiritual union with God that Adam lost for us all in the Garden.
David in NJ
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Aunty Jane
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Emotional blackmail now? Duly noted.
Fear mongering as well? OK, carry on….you are just digging a deeper hole.
No, I assume that you understood that God’s law is not negotiable for us or our family members who as adults can make their own choices, and mature minors can let their own wishes be made known to authorities if necessary. Many have appeared before judges and had their wishes accepted because they convinced the judge of their deeply held convictions from God’s word.
How are people fed if they cannot accept food by mouth? Nutrition is administered intravenously….. so God’s law, stated three times in different eras of the Bible, says not to “eat blood”, (who ever heard of blood transfusions in Bible times?) so we can see that the administration of blood into the body is not the issue…..but we understand why was there a prohibition on the eating of blood in the first place? Blood is sacred to God as the very symbol of life itself….why were blood sacrifices made to God under Israel’s law?
You can have all the blood you want…..but I will obey the law of my God and leave my life in his capable hands. I will not have died in disobedience, violating God’s law, trying to save it. (Matt 16:24-26)
Please watch the video…..it is nothing to do with JW’s. These are the medical experts….
Australian Blood Authority risks of blood transfusions
Behold
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Its not emotional blackmail to ask a person who is on a "christian" forum, who is literally trying to stop members who might need a BLOOD transfusion (and that could kill them)........ if YOU would not allow a blood transfusion for your own child, as this is prohibited by your own Cult.
Im not the one trying to kill people on this Forum, by leading them to falsely believe that the bible teaches that "eating Blood" is the same as "blood transfusion".
That would be you and your cult.
"Eating Blood" as the OT verses state....is absolutely prohibited... and these Old Testament verses are defined as "abstaining" in Acts 15 by the Apostles.
Ive administered food many many many times... not only by mouth, but by a "peg" tube in their side , as that is what a coma patient has to have to stay alive, as that is how you feed them.
The OT defines "eating blood" as the abomination, as that is what many heathens did, in OT times.
And they do it today.., as well... in Satanic//Pagan or Death Cults in Mexico, in California, and in many places in Europe.
Only God knows if Hamas is drinking the blood of Jews they killed, on Oct 7, 2023. Hamas is an Islamic Death Cult.
Death cults......Pagan Cults, .. Satanic Cults... DRINK Blood, and that is how you "EAT" it.......that's what it means.....in the OT., as blood is a liquid, in case you didnt know it.
You DRINK a liquid, as defined as "EAT" in the OT.... and "Abstain" from this.......according to Acts 15.
That is not a blood transfusion.
Go right ahead.
Its fine if you want to commit suicide, if you need a transfusion, and wont have it.
So, you have this right to be that stupid and kill yourself.. (Free Will) .......but when you try to sell that theological insanity on a "christian" fourm, and someone does this, and dies.. then you have killed them.
And also, you dont have a right to cause your child to die, by refusing safe and sound medical treatment that can save their life.
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