Is freewill real or just something we invented it ?

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But I ask you those who read this and those who are new ? Do any of you do that ? Simple but unfortunately they don't and many tell me they don't have time. They say something else but that is the thing many don't know. The important thing even though the fall God wants us to do his plan and God has stated he has a plan for you and he states is for you to do what he sent you here ? Before you were here on earth he says you were in heaven with him and in


Jeremiah 1:5 says, "Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you; before you were born, I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations".


He sent you from heaven to earth. And God's plans is for you to do what he's word dictate and we have found that he can mean differetn things on how used the word and most important to whom it was adressed ? We have found that God talk to prophets, kings, other nations, women, and his people and he did talk differently. That is why he's commands must be studied and realize not all what he said was addressed to us gentiles, Israelites, and kings. It was all seperate but what we do know is that 10 commandments and 613 mitzvahs were adressed to Israel. And some laws do apply to us been christians.
And still to do his plan to simplify it is to use wisdom and to look for that wisdom. I reccomend you continue searching and seek wisdom of the bible and not men's. Becuase men do have flaws. And this is the important one is that we are all different and God has a plan and we are not perfect this is another method to find the personal mission because God did gave you one and God sent you to be human to do what he wanted Adam and Eve do in the garden and to worship him and sing. Because people the bible says what they do in heaven is sing and say Kadosh ,Kadosh, Kadosh, Elohay or holy, holy, holy, is the Lord. I already put those verses to show they sing in heaven all day long. But when he sent you beside the plan he had in the Eden, he sent ofr another reason and it is the important thing.


He sent you to help your mother, for you to find true love, to make a business so people work to find a purpose thiers, and another in history was needed to be done and God chose you to do it. People this is not easy and it takes a long time to read and do what others can't do because of so many things in their lives stop them. And this is worth it, this is important, and the reason he sent besides what you were supposed to do in the Eden was that you itch all the time. You suffer and after your long life you ask was this my purpose did he wanted me to be a painter or policeman ? And a lot of men and women suffer all their life and realize they don't want this, this isn't their purpose. This is not want God wanted and they want to find out. You don't have to 60 or 70 years to realize you didn't do things right and you don't know and the whole world stops to find out because they don't want people to find why there here.
 

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Because you are powerful, because you have love, and your important regardless what people say God made you unique here this is an important article which I like reading and it is important.


We are all different and to get our life or find the important personal mission we are all different and yet God says we are splendidly made and he likes us special. Their is no human the same their will be different fingertips, moles, and parts of our body different and we are special. Tell ya big secret to fin that mission you do not have to perfect. You don't Adam was perfect but we humans that are different Jesus saves us. We are different and wierd this thing that we all want to be normal is not true because no one is normal only Adam and Eve were normal they were original. You notice it was thier height and they were different than us.


Balaam was different and he was wierd with the donkey and God used him and Gideon was wierd and Jeremiah was wierd too. They did things unusual and contradict what prophets always do and some did good and evil. You will also see that in the bible they are many different and wierd people among them. But becuase they had limits did not stopped them from doing God's plan and doing their personal mission God sent them for.

Can you do things and do god's plan ? Here is an example of someone who can !


So can you, their a lof people who do have the abilities and more than him. They can achieve it, don't come here you can't. Or say I don't want to and see other people who do want to find it and freewill is the side of theology you can find it. It is broad and shows the important steps of your choice. And you have choice and here we see people who are different can go find it. Why can't you ? I know many people who have read and friends and christians ones who said they do want to find it. And with this help read they do have a choice and tell me many people don't want to advance because they want others not try and stay stuck like them. Simple answer, goanna ask you all who read are you stuck ?
 

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Because really people you can do it, you can do all the things you want. See nick he dos not have hands like you or legs like you, you are giving opportunities. I apologize If I have offended someone I wish for you to do that mission it is important and God wants you to do it. For all of us their things that are obstacles and promblems for some it is phsyical, spiritual, and other things. Do you have to the ability you have all the ability you can do whatever you want in your life you should start now. Later on you won't have those choices and it will be harder for you.

Psalm 139
  • Celebrates that God created each person "wonderfully"
  • Acknowledges that God is intentional with each detail
  • Describes how God designs our physical bodies, personalities, talents, and purpose
  • Reminds us that our qualities, strengths, and weaknesses reflect God's plan
1 Corinthians 4:7
  • States that God makes people different from one another in ways like kings and subjects, rich and poor, and bond and free

What is the other method that will help you do that ? Is to do the extremee choice is that for you to reach your dream or find your purpose you have to go jump higher, go to another country , and go do some feat that is impossible ? Who are people that did impossible feats to do God's will ?

Noah building the Ark to save humanity during the flood, Moses leading the Israelites out of Egypt through miraculous plagues, David defeating Goliath with immense courage, Jesus performing miracles like healing the sick and raising the dead, and Esther risking her life to save the Jewish people by approaching the king; all demonstrating unwavering faith and obedience to God's commands despite challenging circumstances.

The promble is you, you put your limits. God gives you freewill to choose and he does gives you the path but everyone can fit in Jesus path but to do what Jesus do you need to put things in his hands. His ways and you don't trust the lord with everything. Is it hard ? It's hard for all of us, I didn't have this easy -_- my life is hard. but the reward is there to do his will and he will help your ways be his. What did you choose ?
 

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We have found that freewill exist even though the word is modern and reading scripture God he does have a word in hebrew. He has a plan and gave us freedom to choose our life. And we can choose death or life, but still in our life we will have questions and options given to us and different asnwers to answers those questions and options life will give that God created life. He gave us choice to do good or evil and in our life he gave us the option to be baptized and live by love. If you had wisdom and hope and the others gifts God will give over your life the most important is love. To use the decision with God in your life will give you the power to do what you want and do good. God will give you the power !

There is options for all of us and througout our lives we can decide. When we are born we do know what will happen in our life and what gifts god will gives us for the purpose he had for us. For some we went into error and we are in sin. And worst we don't know until we grow up and discovered what life is and see that we came in this world in sin. We discover the law of God and we discover who is God and what he wants from us ? Later in life we listen and we don't, were sent in life without knowing the whole rules of the world and some rules the world puts are copied from the bible and others are made up and not copied from the bible. We do not know why were here ?

Until we are older and experience we ask the question ? Why i'm I here ?
For some lucky ones are born in christianity and found God early and they dedicated to worship God. They made the right decision in life and the others like us made mistakes and errors and we went with God afterwards thank God we made it. To those who haven't decided you have to make that decision and the right decision is to baptized. It is not easy and we all recognized it is hard for all of us and we can't say it will be easy but prayer and praying for you to take it because ti will help you in your life and find that purpose you want.

Freewill lets us have choice and as we discover life we do have choices and with the bible we later find he does gives us more things to make decisions to let us find our purpose. As we see he gives hope, faith, wisdom, love and more things so we can do what were sent here and why ! We must pray for them !

It gives such joy that we are giving tools and we have to be thankful a lot of people before us did not have the advantages we have and we must be thankful. We grow up been taught that we must obey what the world says, what the devil says, and waster our life been fooled by television. I say to you, you don't have to ! You can choose your life and break from the world and it's rules and follow Jesus. Regardless of what people say to you, the world will fail and humans fail but God does not fail ! He won't abandon you. The world is babylon and does not know why there here ! You know God has a plan and we found he's commands and his words tell us how to do his will. He's plans for us. We know he speaks differently from how humans speak and he is greater and a being who is bigger in intelligence and life.
 

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When we grow in this world we learn that we do not know who we are ? When we were in heaven we know who is God and he ordered as mission in this world. He sent us to do his commands and when we get here. Life hits us and we have tragedy, promblems when we grow, traumas we forget our childhood, and we don't know what were doing in our life. People we are born speaking babylon, we speak different way than the language of Eden. We were stuck by God and God said to go and confuse them.

Genesis 11:7

7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”

God punish man so man cannot go attack God and create the tower of babylon. So they can challenge God and his athourity. Man speaks a variety of language and he does not speak the original Eden and he speaks babble !
When we grow up we are not told everything in the bible or told by the world. We are told to accept the way things are and we cannot change our destiny. We cannot change our sinful nature. And as humanity grew it learned freewill and learned it's limitations in this world. We are given the option to follows the world or follow God, we are given the option decide in a democracy or dicatotorship, we can choose to love or hate. The world is wrong it is in sin. For the law of God has said so and the world repeats the error thruout history and we have read man makes mistakes in history because it is it's nature as animal to need to live, eat, love, suffer, and to want to know why it's here. It must ask the questions and does not know the answer to them ?

Only when we read the bible we discover those answers and learn God's way is the way to find your purpose ! We have read in heaven they worship God and sing Kadosh, kadosh, kadosh Adonai elohei- Tzva'ot ( Holy, holy, holy is the lord God of Hosts ). Some verses explain what they do in heaven and Jesus in a verse explain for example as prayer to do God's will in heaven on earth !
We find God wanted us to sing and worship him in heaven some of you will say that is easy and simple. That is God's plan for all of humanity that was what we were sent to do originally by God when he created this planet. That's God's general plan for all of us. As we arrive were not told to do that we are told to buy our milk. go get a job, pay taxes, spent our whole ife and search why wer and worst for some they didn't find it. Sad and horrible thing that we grow up educated by the system and told lies all our life. That to be part of a social block of civilization, to be who were supposed to be we must obey and not question ?

We must give our money and time to government to find our purpose and later we realzie it's not true ? God sent you help and the bible reveals to you what is God's plan and his word. That wasn't your purpose and God's has a plan for you, a way for you to live life and be happy ? He does give to you, the world wasted you and put you here in the internet to search things and the answer was always in the bible ! You don't have money and you wasted your life doing everything the world told ya and decided for ya. Let me ask when where you smart in life ? When did you do everything you want or the personal mission God sent beside the one to make earth like heaven but finally realize you don't have to do what the world says and you wasted your whole life doing the world's plan ? Apology to you all for being hard on you and being forward !


When did you realize you change your life ? No, you didn't ? Have you accomplish the personal mission ? No, niether ! Your here in life because you don't know what it is ? Because your teachers, parents, and your friends don't know either why God brought them. They thought it is to get a good career and that you pay your taxes. And that's how it supposed to be they want you to get mad and some of them want you to mess up like they did. If you had good parents good and some teachers help, good then ! If your friends were jealous and wanted you to failed because they got messed up and realize all too late. They made the wrong decisions in life and did everything for the world. They know they mess up and want others to fail just so they can feel they achieved something. You found out you made the same mistake as them. Don't want to take responsibility for it, you don't want a solution you just do what everyone does be a victime and blame God or somene else !
 

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God gave you his plan and it is what we were made in Eden to do heaven but also he sent you on another mission, the personal one where you must save your dad, save some family member, be in a place in your life where thanks to you actions you saved a person from a car accident or by accident you took someone place in line and thanks to that he went the other way and he didn't make a mistake ! What personal mission he gave it to you, you don't find easy like you want ? You had to go thru you mistakes and the worst no told you it was this hard ! And the worst you search for it and realize the personal mission was for you aunt in your life or your friend but they died and cruel fate you missed it. Your depressed and now you have the one from heaven to make earth like heaven.


Even if you can't do that one you can still do one of God's will in heaven to do unto earth and be in heaven. You can still make it ! God allows it ! I assure you will fail in life and realize your mistakes and wish you had more strength and wisdom to do those things in life you want ! You can't redo life ! You can't take life again and try to fix your errors ! You can't , once you make your decisions they are permament ! You will try and realize if you knew back then what you know you would not make those mistakes, you would do everything to change those futures and want your friends and family with you !

Now it's too late they didn't tell you because they wanted you to fail, the World will betray but God is not like the world ! He will not betray you ! He is not like us that we can die and be deceitful he more is powerful and beyond our small character and needs. So many said God saved them and didn't realize it, God saved their family, and are forever grateful he saved them ;-;. You were tricked by the world and made you waste your money and time and things you didn't need. The word told you to do something else !

You don't have to go that way, you don't ! If you could change it all i'm sure you would of done everything to save them ;-; God put that in your heart to love your family. They don't want you to go save them becuase the world lies and wants to live in sin and doesn't want anyone to advance. Because they want you to carry them and want to decide for you.
No, you can do whatever you want ! You don't tell me what I can't do !

Don't let them tell you what to do they made thier bad decisions in life, God won't ask them ! God's gonna ask you what did you did ? They made their mistakes they made their errors they don't even want to remember. God gave you the chance go take that chance don't regret. You won't make a mistake if you do it for your family you will saved them. What is more important your family or the world ? You can do things now ! Pray to God that he can save them becuase he already has saved others, he will do the same for you because he does loves you with all his heart. Don't give up !


In life you have to make hard decisions and you can't live all your life you didn't do anything. God will move the whole world for you. He has for you and for me. You need to break those walls, you need to do things on your own and show the world your not afraid ! He will help you because he doesn't stop believing in you ! You ask yourself what is more important your family or what people think of you because in the end God's opinion is the one that saved you !

Go break the rules and whatever stopped you from before you can do it now. Don't take no for an answer break the rules. You can do this now !

Becuase now you have the time, now you can do it ! You don't have to get anyone's permission, You don't have to wait, you can go get your family and get your friends. God's plan was for you to be in heaven with your family and friends ! He wants you to be happy forever !

There is something that people didn't tell you, you can always change your destiny. You can change who you are, change your promblems, change you life because you are powerful and the world doesn't want you to know it !

You want to do things ? Here I want you to make it !
 

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Is freewill real or just something we invented it ?​

Try choosing to hit your thumb with a hammer and then tell me you haven't got free will when you choose not to!
 

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Quietthinker you can hit with your thumb and proves it hurts, Gravity works, and you decided to do that. No one stop you or anybody unfortunately to do anything in this world. Lol.
 

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There is something that people didn't tell you, you can always change your destiny. You can change who you are, change your promblems, change you life because you are powerful and the world doesn't want you to know it !
You want to do things ? Here I want you to make it !

1. First is to ask God why i'm here. He will answer and he will help ya and stat the path for you to know !

Psalm 25:4: "Show me your ways, Lord, teach me your paths."
Philippians 4:6-7: "Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God.
James 1:5: "If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you."
Mark 11:24 Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

2. Then Pray to him, pray and pray to him. You will see some have pray for 40 years or more and did not recieve the answer and then they got their stuff.

1 Thessalonians 5:17 "Pray without ceasing."
1 Ephesians 6:18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord’s people.

The story of Elizabeth and Zechariah, who waited for a son, is found in Luke 1:5-25
Hannah prayed to God for a son, promising to dedicate him to the Lord's service, as described in 1 Samuel 1:10-11

Prayer is important and will help ya.
 

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"Free will" basically operates within the constraints of what a person knows, what the person feels, and what the person is capable of doing.

Free will can't and won't lead a person to Christ, unless God intervenes.
 
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It depends on choice. You can choose but thanks too all this talk and reading scripture God does have a plan and your destiny is a secret to find it. You can do what the prophets and God's people to obtain the personal mission God gives to everyone. Here is the important is that you have freedom and you can change your destiny ! God will help ya, the promblem is fear of the future how things will happen is what makes people afraid of decisions. Unfortunately all decisions have consequence no matter what.

But here people in this modern world don't know hot to trust God, don't know how to have real faith and real love. Be the people of God back in the old days of Israel when we had the good people ! The good people that did have faith and did God tests and survived all his tests. Today people don't know how to find that power or will, world has changed and were still in Babylon.

Can people today be the people God wants to be the people of Israel in the old days ? Yes they can ! Can they do the hard things of the bible ? God lets us choose our actions in God's path. The promblem is do you really want to do God's will or do your will ? It is always our ego and needs that stop us from doing things God's way. Pray and pray. He will help you.
 
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Freewill...now there’s a question...

I would say that I have a will.....but, as a Born Again.....my will is being taught to become in harmony with the will of God.

So, NO.....my will is no longer relevant....only Gods will is relevant in my life ...your will be done Lord...not my will.....I guess I can go against the will of God...” but”......once Born Again and have grown some what, into the maturity of Christ....who in their right mind...would ever go against the will of God...especially if you know his will, in areas of our life......I wouldn’t DARE go against his will.....he knows far more than we do....what is best for us....therefore I want what he wills for my life.....

My will just gets me into trouble at times.......I’ve been so strong willed.....but, God knows exactly how to get my will under control and in harmony with HIS will...Praise His Holy Name!.

Just my thoughts.
 
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As we talk about freewill some have asked were do I get the information. Here are more sources of freewill.



 
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Is freewill real or just something we invented it ?​

Here's some better questions:
  • Are we responsible for our own actions?
  • Were we able to choose to do other than how we did?
  • If our actions spring forth from our desires, are we able to desire other than how we do desire?
 
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Is freewill real or just something we invented it ?


Those that are knowledgeable in the Word of the Lord... would not be asking such foolish questions
as it generates strife between themselves and the Lord and they don't even know it. clueless-doh.gif
 

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As someone who - intentionally or otherwise - has turned "invention" into an 'art', I have to say:

The more ways you invent interpretation to the Bible, the slower you have to go to believe it.

If you love going slow, that's great; but the Devil and his angels are not obliged to give you the time of day.