Are you a prophet to the nations. Everyone who enters into Gods house goes first through Jesus. "But Lord we did this and that and the other in your name". Jesus says begone from me, I never knew you. Everyone will be JUDGED by a "RIGHTEOUS GOD". What righteousness is there in sending those you choose for hell TO JUDGE THEM. Just send them to hell and forget judgment. Adam was sentenced to death, and death he faced. We were saved and we ought not think more highly of ourselves than we ought. You sir think you are chosen and therefore above judgment, or hell. When God speaks to the nations, or Kings, He warns them, allowing them to choose or face sever consequences including destruction, if he knew they weren't going to listen, why waste the words to warn them? Just destroy them...RIGHT?
The Wisdom of Mahatma Gandhi - What does God say?
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Ronald David Bruno
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After His death and resurrection, yes. And again, Jesus says, "no one comes to me unless the Father draws them". That means we are first spiritually drawn by His power (Word, inner and outer calling, people He sends, experiences and eventsnleading up to that moment) before we can make a decision.
The famous verse in Matthew, often mistaken for a message to the Gentile world. The God of the Bible was foreign to them so they could not claim doing this or that in the Lord's name.
Matthew's gospel is clearly written for a Jewish Christian audience living within the immediate proximity of the homeland itself. Matthew's is the most Jewish of all the gospels.
MATTHEW opens with a geneology, pointing the Jews to their Messiah based on their history. Throughout their nation, Jewish Christians continued to meet on the Sabbath, but also met on the Lords day, more popular for the Gentiles.
These people pleading to Jesus _ at Judgment Day _ were the Jews living by the Law for all generations (not by faith) and those Jews since Jesus, who rejected Him as the Messiah. But of course now realize theor error and plead for mercy. These Jews claimed "works" in their attempts to keep the Law imperfectly, believing partially that the Lord would be merciful. Unfortunately throughout their lives til their deaths, they rejected Jesus as the their Messiah and now it is too late. Jesus, by saying, :I did not know you", means He did not have a relationship with them.
Physical death we all face. But I do believe Adam and Eve repented and from that time on, lived by faith. They were the parents, grand-parents, great grand parents of faithful people like Abel and Enoch who lived and died prior to Noah's flood. Noah had faith because it was passed down from Adam and certainly since God spoke to him.
I am one of the elect.
"For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified." Romans 8:29-30
God does not desire that any should perish. But to be fair on the eyes of all, the gospel message goes out to all.
Do notbget me wrong - I am not a Calvinist, but predestination is scriptural.
"elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace be multiplied." 1 Peter 1:2
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You don't get it. The whole world is drawn to Jesus. Even Christianities fearsest enemies are anti Christ BECAUSE THEY KNOW HE IS REAL. Yes especially God's enemies are drawn to Jesus. In Psalm 2 God warns the nations to repent to His Son, it spells it out just that way. Jericho was drawn to God's word when Joshua showed up. Rahab told Joshua they shoock to their boots when they heard of the God of the Hebrews and what He did to Pharoa. Science is drawn to Jesus, the Arc, the tels, the discoveries of the bible. Jesus is drawing all men unto Himself, but will they listen, just like Noah's day, will they see the signs and listen? For 120 plus years God drew them to Himself, but did they repent and enter the ark. The world rebels against Christ BECAUSE HE HAS DRAWN THEM TO HIMSELF, at His coming He will be justified to come out of heaven with a two edged sword and not listen too any more excuses...WHY? because when they see Him descending from heaven, they will be drawn to Him and they will mount up on their horses and attack Him as if they're going to defeat Him, and they will pay the price with blood. Satan was drawn to Jesus when he stood before the thrown of God and the woman to devour His Son.
Dan Clarkston
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Sad... calvinists claim God WANTS most people to burn in hell
They are cherry pickin scriptures and ignore scripture (following their father satan) such as the ones below...
The Father sovereignly decided to make man in His own Image which is why all men have free will. He said in His Word than we are predestined to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ (Romans 8:29), and we are to be followers of God as dear children (Ephesians 5:1)
God's Word says man is without excuse (Romans 1:20), the grace that brings salvation has come upon all men (Titus 2:11-13)
God's Word says it's not God's will that any perish and He wants all to come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9), and He has commanded men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30), and has given every man faith (Romans 12:3)
Jesus said if He be lifted up He would draw all men until Himself (John 12:32), and Jesus has tasted of death for every man (Hebrews 2:9)
In light of all these scriptures, we can say for sure that limited atonement taught by John Calvin is false doctrine and is in opposition to what God says.
Dan Clarkston
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Yep, but sadly the calvinists claim Jesus LIED when He said this....
John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL men unto me.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
They have no idea what ALL and WHOSOEVER means
Stumpmaster
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No question marks when answering please. Every second of the present is calibrated by the past and calibrates the future, with strategic Divine Interventions.
Waiting for your reply.
Ronald David Bruno
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You just proved my point. The Father draws all men to Himself, but most resist and rebel. His sheep hear the call, experience His drawing power to the Word, He enables and persuades them AND THEN THEY COME AND SAY YES.
We aren't able to jumpstart that spiritual enlightening process that He prepared long before we say yes LORD. He chose us. You don't get what sovereignty means.
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Eph. 2:8-9
It seems we are at an impasses, so I will exit from here. Bye
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Dan Clarkston
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Which proves He has provided for ALL people to have salvation... proving the calvinists are heretics along with anybody else that believes the satanic lie of "limited atonement"
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