A bit of a mess in the White House.

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Lizbeth

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Yawn
WE ALL KNOW THAT.
NOBODY IS WORSHIPPING TRUMP.
THE REASON YOU DO THAT REFRAMING OF EVERYTHING IS BECAUSE THE TDS HAS SUCH A GRIP ON YOU.
CNN is pure lies

And you are glued to every imperfection of Trump.
It's not something to yawn about that Trump is turning his administration into a theocracy and there are MANY who call themselves Christians who are cheering that on. There are very good reasons for separation of church and state and those boundaries are now getting blurred. And not to mention that the religious leaders he is surrounding himself with and giving offices to are false teachers and false prophets. People want to avoid communism while they are espousing a very communist idea that the ends justifies the means. Go ahead and keep yawning while you walk off a cliff if you want.

My problem is not with Donald Trump.........it's with the supposed Christians who are giving him a place in their hearts that belongs to the Lord alone. I'm not talking about politics, I'm talking about a heart issue, a spiritual problem that will not end well.
 

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You are missing the point with all this, brother. Nobody here wants globalism or communism, but the problem is the church and believers are getting too caught up with these worldly concerns and not staying in its own lane.
Personally I think "staying in your own lane" relates to those from other countries trashing our leaders. Where is that in the Bible?

This thread seems all about certain members who don't even live here to unloading their heartfelt vitriol, and to what good?

I'm seeing repetitions of the many leftist lies being spouted, now to be repeated here. And why? Because hatred brews in men's hearts. And our words reveal what is in our hearts.

How sure are you, no one wants evil to flourish? When you fight with all your might against those who are pushing back on the evil what then? What do we think about that?

That is a snare and a deception. We are being tempted by all these worldly problems to trust in and bank on the arm of the flesh instead of in God.......which we need to not succumb to.
Each needs to speak for themselves on this point.

We? No, not "we". Maybe this one, maybe that one.

Trials and problems are called temptations.

Temptations, peirasmos, are contrary circumstances either within or without, by which we are tested. Will we endure? Or will we sin as we seek our own solutions?
We need to look at the reasons why blessing is being removed from our respective nations,

Is it? I don't know that. I know there are consequences to actions, including the ignorance and anger on display here. Poor leadership yeilds poor results. And what happened during the Biden regime was an unmitigated attack on our nation. Some who are watching from other nations seem to prefer that to what we have now, so let me ask you, is that mentality good? or evil? Do evil men in power have the ability to inflict great heart? Yes they do. Should we say, God is jugding us? Or should we say, we need a better president?

When nations are judged there will be no debate about whether that is happening or not. In the Bible, the judgment of nations generally meant their destruction, or at least their captivity.
It is the LORD who is threatening/warning to give the west over to the evil
Again, is He? I don't see that. I see the world getting worse and worse as mankind continues it's long and ongoing spiral down. I see the Lord calling us away from that. But it's not judgment time yet. You'll know when it is.
(and HE is the one we need to fear and give glory to, not to deluded and evil men or political parties).
Absolutely!
This is just like He did with Israel of old and for the same reasons.
Disagree fully. God had made a covenant with Israel that He did not make with the United States.

The reasons are not political, they are spiritual. The political situation is just a symptom of a deeper problem, a spiritual one.
Agree.
Repentance is the only thing that can spare the west from judgment, otherwise we will find that we have fled from a lion only to meet with a bear.
The nations will in fact be judged as the Revelation shows us. But we aren't like old Isreal. Not by a long shot!

Much love!
 
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I really wish the rhetoric surrounding politics could be dialed back a bit by folks processing Christ.
I agree! Including by me!
I feel that exaggerating how people with differing views see things tends toward escalation of the rhetoric, rather than rousing them to see things differently.

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Indeed it does.

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We can pray and ask GOD for justice when it is warranted. But we as the church are to mete out mercy not justice. Justice and enforcing of laws is not our mandate......
Romans 13:3-6 LITV
3) For the rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the bad. And do you desire not to fear the authority? Do the good, and you will have praise from it;
4) for it is a servant of God to you for the good. But if you practice evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword in vain; for it is a servant of God, an avenger for wrath to the one practicing bad things.
5) Because of this, it is necessary to be subject, not only on account of wrath, but also on account of conscience.
6) For on this account you also pay taxes, for they are ministers of God, always giving attention to this very thing.

Governance is there to, among other things, put down crime. But when the criminals are in power, there is no one to do that.

I've been praying and asking God for Justice - not any one else, I ask Him - and perhaps this new administration will mete out that justice, and will support what is right, so that we can live peaceable lives.

Want to make America "great again"? Well what made her "great" in the first place? It was righteousness that brought earthly blessings of God. Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin brings a reproach. That is bible, God's word. Do you believe the bible at all?
Is it righteous to protect the weak and poor and powerless from evil men? I think so.

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This thread shows how deeply divided Christians are over God working through one among the people (Trump) to do his will. That Trump would rise to power was prophecied in the 1960's and 1990's but different prophets of God.
Link ?
 

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So now there is the issue about the group chat Signal.
You must be all aware of it.

At least Mr. Waltz accepts all responsibility, while the other bunch in Trump's cabinet are denying there was any classified information.

The Atlantic editor has been bad mouthed by Trump as a 'garbage editor working for a lousy magazine'.

Trump should have actually thanked him for not publishing all the classified information!!!
In response editor Goldberg has now decided to make it all public, good for him.

Which scandal, filled with lies, will be next from this group of liars in the White House.
I am no conspiracy theorist at all but in this case I doubt, the mistake is too stupid for words, it's in the line of what we have seen so far, the way things are going from now on, a message.
 
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Personally I think "staying in your own lane" relates to those from other countries trashing our leaders.
That's because your leaders are making negative comments about "other countries", like Greenland/Denmark, Canada and others. Comments on Ukraine, NATO, etc.

And you think people in other countries need to SHUT up and keep their MOUTHS SHUT?

Your leaders want to take over other countries and seem to think they are the police men of this world.

Are you saying that during the 30s England, France and others should not comment on the German Government' actions?

Not going to happen, Marks.
People in other countries WILL speak up
 
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There is a huge push by the racist president to grow the wedge and hatred between races.

This is a lot more than you've provoked, so to speak, with your comment here but, since I find you to be one of the more thoughtful contributors in many discussions here, let me lay this on you:

I don't know what's inside the head of the President, but I have seen little compelling evidence of what you claim here.

(I have an undeniable respect for the office and its current holder at any given time of my life. I've found that nearly impossible to shake off, having been a conscientious Navy brat and Air Force vet.)

But my general tendency is to (perhaps too cynically) suspect that the concept of ethnicity is only useful to politicians insofar as it garners them votes and other forms of support and utility.

Mr. Trump is a professional trash-talker. I believe this is an extremely significant part of what makes people both love and hate him.

He has done things that are arguably bad for the country. He has also done things that are arguably good for the country.

I can't make any sense of the Jan 6 thing because the teams have taken up all the oxygen in the available flow of information. What is obvious to the teams is not at all obvious to me.

I was horrified when it happened. I was on the road from Massachusetts to Pennsylvania at the time, and my 75-year-old dad called me, seemingly worried that the sky was falling. I can't deny that early reports had it looking that way, at least, figuratively. I could never have imagined the likelihood of such a thing.

But, after getting home and having a prayer or two and a nice warm beverage, I decided/realized that our government was never actually in danger of being overthrown, whatever the intents of the offenders were. What has happened in the aftermath is much worse than the actual event itself.

But the whole thing was precipitated largely by a compounded accumulation of trash-talking by the President. I don't believe it was his intention for the mob to actually break into the Capitol. I could be wrong, but I don't think so. He's not a violent man, by all accounts.

Nevertheless, he was responsible to some degree, the amount of which I do not know. But there can be no question that the amount of his responsibility was more than it should have been.

And, but for the grace of God, while the continuing function of our government was never in peril, things could have gotten a lot more violent that day. Mobs are, by nature, volatile and unpredictable. And security seemed to be very vulnerable to the relatively unprecedented event.

My point is, Mr. Trump's handiest and trustiest tool is a hyperbole that is a brand of his own. I've seen him conceive and wield it in real time with exactly the effect he would obviously desire.

He could have taught Muhammad Ali a thing or two about trash-talking. And Ali once called Frasier a "Gorilla." Nobody fired Ali the way Rosanne was summarily (and rightly, IMO) jettisoned from her own TV show. And nobody else—not even another black man—could've gotten away with what Ali did.

My point is, Trump is delighted when folks call him the Boogeyman a zillion times a day over the things he says. Because then, he can point and scoff at all the times people took him too seriously, comparing what he said to what he actually ended up doing (or even just getting away with, in the cases where he fully intended to do what he said). It is a masterful chess game that he's playing with his impassioned detractors and, so far, winning, however narrowly it may be.

(And it might be worth considering that even these EOs he's generating in rapid-fire succession may yet prove to have been a form of trash-talking, once they undergone complete adjudication.)

Please understand, I'm not justifying any of his trash-talking. I'm simply acknowledging how remarkably effective it is for good or bad. It's something we've rarely seen in a president and NEVER to the extent and success with which he has attained.

In the end, it will be seen as a substantial contribution to the evil of the last days—bit not the ultimate contribution.

Much of what I hold as theory regarding politics and the ramifications of current political events can't be said here because it invariably paints me as a supporter of one of the two teams, and I simply won't have it.

But I can highly recommend @Brakelite's take on this from the 2nd page of this thread, especially because he goes more into the eschatological and spiritual implications of what's actually transpiring, above the smoke screen the devil is perpetrating on us.

I've already gone much farther in this thread than I'm comfortable with, and I suspect there are one or two here who wish I'd act on my discomfort. :wink:

strs
 

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The Gateway Pundit (TGP) is an American right wing fake website.

The website is well known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy theories.
 

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The Gateway Pundit (TGP) is an American right wing fake website.

The website is well known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy theories.

Go back over the years. All these so called conspiracy theories have been verified true one by one.

Don't just believe the hype.

I thank God for President Trump, and pray for him daily.

You spend your days trashing him, and to what good? You don't even know what it's like living here, under Biden, and under Trump. You read what you read and lecture us on how stupid we are.

Good show!

Much love!
 

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Not going to happen, Marks.
People in other countries WILL speak up
I just wish you'd stick to the truth. It would really help the discussion. But as long as you are unloading as you are, well, don't be surprised at whatever reactions you receive.

Already you have no credibility with me, because I read your posts repeating the leftist talking point, as though these things were true. So I know that you don't know.

And there it is. You choose to compare us to Nazi Germany, and Trump to Hitler. And proud of it, so it seems! This is the problem, right here, the sway of fake news on those who lack sufficient knowledge to know otherwise.

OK, you say I'm wrong, I say you're wrong. But I live here, and I'm glad for President Trump. We were being destroyed by corrupt leadership, and now we have leadership that is here to lead the nation to better.

Much love!
 

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The Gateway Pundit (TGP) is an American right wing fake website.

The website is well known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy theories.

Unfortunately, it's true.

TGP gets about as bad a rating as is possible on mediabiasfactcheck.com.

This is not to say they are in no way capable of publishing an accurate piece of journalism, but I'd sooner get my news elsewhere, in any case.

I like GroundNews, Straight Arrow News, and The Hill's "RISING" show, the latter of which presents a panel of two, differing viewpoints. They usually don't have extremists, but occasionally they do have to replace someone, usually on the left, probably because their right-side anchors are fewer in number and generally more "tenured," so to speak.

I like some others that would paint me as partisan, on both sides, so...

strs
 

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You spend your days trashing him, and to what good? You don't even know what it's like living here, under Biden, and under Trump. You read what you read and lecture us on how stupid we are.
Actually I only spend a small fraction of my day here.
Never said you all are stupid, but I think there's only one.

You are go from corrupt (Biden) to more corrupt(Trump}.
Find out in a few years.
Nothing good comes out of a person not having a problem with telling lies.
 
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Find out in a few years.
Nice thing is, we've already had the opportunity to see how effective President Trump is in governance. And now 4 more years of his efforts will suit me just fine, especially considering the alternative.

Best of all to you!

Much love!