Is Total Victory over Sin Possible?

Brakelite · Mar 18, 2025

quietthinker said:
When I observe my thoughts and see my behaviour I can not approve of them. In fact the more I learn of my Saviour the more deficits I see.

Will that ever change? I hope so, at the resurrection when this mortal shall put on immortality and this corruptible, incorruption.
This side of that I've only ever seen myself as a rusted out T Model, nevertheless, I know that is not what is seen in the eyes of the master renovator. He sees me in showroom condition.

My hope is not in my flesh but in him who promised, 'I make all things new'. Does that make me ready? I trust it.

Like the wind, which is invisible, yet the effects of which are plainly seen and felt, is the Spirit of God in its work upon the human heart. That regenerating power, which no human eye can see, begets a new life in the soul; it creates a new being in the image of God. While the work of the Spirit is silent and imperceptible, its effects are manifest. If the heart has been renewed by the Spirit of God, the life will bear witness to the fact. While we cannot do anything to change our hearts or to bring ourselves into harmony with God; while we must not trust at all to ourselves or our good works, our lives will reveal whether the grace of God is dwelling within us. A change will be seen in the character, the habits, the pursuits. The contrast will be clear and decided between what they have been and what they are. The character is revealed, not by occasional good deeds and occasional misdeeds, but by the tendency of the habitual words and acts. SC 57.2

Brakelite · Mar 18, 2025

Brakelite said:
Like the wind, which is invisible, yet the effects of which are plainly seen and felt, is the Spirit of God in its work upon the human heart. That regenerating power, which no human eye can see, begets a new life in the soul; it creates a new being in the image of God. While the work of the Spirit is silent and imperceptible, its effects are manifest. If the heart has been renewed by the Spirit of God, the life will bear witness to the fact. While we cannot do anything to change our hearts or to bring ourselves into harmony with God; while we must not trust at all to ourselves or our good works, our lives will reveal whether the grace of God is dwelling within us. A change will be seen in the character, the habits, the pursuits. The contrast will be clear and decided between what they have been and what they are. The character is revealed, not by occasional good deeds and occasional misdeeds, but by the tendency of the habitual words and acts. SC 57.2

So while we may not yet be 'perfectly' mature having all knowledge and holiness in all things, we can be perfect in our growing and learning. Even rose buds, though not fully mature, can be perfect.

Earburner · Mar 19, 2025

Brakelite said:
So while we may not yet be 'perfectly' mature having all knowledge and holiness in all things, we can be perfect in our growing and learning. Even rose buds, though not fully mature, can be perfect.

Absolutely!!
Without God Himself dwelling within us, it is impossible for us to be perfect, even as God the Father is Perfect.
Therefore, "Perfection" at His level of "Being" IS NOT a process to be copied or mimicked by us, but rather it IS A new state of "being", simply because the "Being" of God Himself dwells within us, when we are "born again" of His Holy Spirit. John 3:3-8
Jesus explained it simply, when He said:
"....without me, you can do nothing." John 15:5.

Writer · Mar 19, 2025

Hobie said:
We have many who say they can't or won't stop sinning even to when Jesus appears at the Second Coming. Are we able to overcome or not?

When the Bible says let "he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: ' does this mean we can stay full of iniquity

If we keep sinning will Christ make us sinless at the end when we are changed 'in the twinkling of an eye'? Is this verse referring only to our mortal bodies of flesh, or also our sinful lives?

What does the Bible teach. Lets take a look...

Jesus died in our place so our flesh could die with His on the cross. He rose from the dead so that we might also. Above all, He lives so that where He is we might be also, not that we deserve it or earned it, but that by faith, before men and before the creation we might confess that Jesus is Lord and give to those who seek His face, that thirst for Him, and Hunger for Him, and want to feel His love, the Gospel that they might be clothed, and fed, and recieve His living water, in spite of the world hating us and seeking to kill us and attempt to rob us of your calling to express God's righteousness to the whole creation, that the entire creation itself might be set free from it's futility.

Do what you know is right, and stop majoring in the minors. God isn't looking for those seeking to make themselves perfect, He's already made you a "NEW CREATION" if you truly belong to Him. He's already cast your sins "AS FAR AS THE EAST IS FROM THE WEST" if you truly belong to Him. He's already "PREPARED A PLACE FOR YOU", if you truly belong to Him. How many times does Jesus need to die for you before you understand that you have already been chosen and called. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS BELIEVE IT AND RECIEVE IT. Get out of your pigeon hole and quit trying to make yourself perfect. "Yet while you were still in our sin, JESUS SAVED YOU". If you could make yourself perfect for God, WHY WOULD YOU NEED JESUS?

BarneyFife · Mar 20, 2025

Writer said:
If you could make yourself perfect for God, WHY WOULD YOU NEED JESUS?

The problem with this school of reasoning is it assumes we didn't also need Him before we came to Him.

:)

Hobie · Mar 21, 2025

Brakelite said:
Like the wind, which is invisible, yet the effects of which are plainly seen and felt, is the Spirit of God in its work upon the human heart. That regenerating power, which no human eye can see, begets a new life in the soul; it creates a new being in the image of God. While the work of the Spirit is silent and imperceptible, its effects are manifest. If the heart has been renewed by the Spirit of God, the life will bear witness to the fact. While we cannot do anything to change our hearts or to bring ourselves into harmony with God; while we must not trust at all to ourselves or our good works, our lives will reveal whether the grace of God is dwelling within us. A change will be seen in the character, the habits, the pursuits. The contrast will be clear and decided between what they have been and what they are. The character is revealed, not by occasional good deeds and occasional misdeeds, but by the tendency of the habitual words and acts. SC 57.2

Yet it is hard Brakelite, to feel that our character has reached that level, as we find ourselves losing our tempers or feeling anger well up within us. I try to say 'righteous indignation' but my 'latin legacy' lurks right close by and I tend to be humbled. Its not an easy thing...

Hobie · Mar 21, 2025

Writer said:
Jesus died in our place so our flesh could die with His on the cross. He rose from the dead so that we might also. Above all, He lives so that where He is we might be also, not that we deserve it or earned it, but that by faith, before men and before the creation we might confess that Jesus is Lord and give to those who seek His face, that thirst for Him, and Hunger for Him, and want to feel His love, the Gospel that they might be clothed, and fed, and recieve His living water, in spite of the world hating us and seeking to kill us and attempt to rob us of your calling to express God's righteousness to the whole creation, that the entire creation itself might be set free from it's futility.

Do what you know is right, and stop majoring in the minors. God isn't looking for those seeking to make themselves perfect, He's already made you a "NEW CREATION" if you truly belong to Him. He's already cast your sins "AS FAR AS THE EAST IS FROM THE WEST" if you truly belong to Him. He's already "PREPARED A PLACE FOR YOU", if you truly belong to Him. How many times does Jesus need to die for you before you understand that you have already been chosen and called. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS BELIEVE IT AND RECIEVE IT. Get out of your pigeon hole and quit trying to make yourself perfect. "Yet while you were still in our sin, JESUS SAVED YOU". If you could make yourself perfect for God, WHY WOULD YOU NEED JESUS?

His robe of righteousness makes us perfect before the Father, and yet we still have to choose it and be transformed by Him in us and we in Him..

quietthinker · Mar 21, 2025

Hobie said:
His robe of righteousness makes us perfect before the Father, and yet we still have to choose it and be transformed by Him in us and we in Him..

Transformation is glorying in him, not in our transformation.

Hobie · Mar 22, 2025

quietthinker said:
Transformation is glorying in him, not in our transformation.

Look at what Christ declares my brother...

Revelation 2:7
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Revelation 2:11
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Revelation 2:17
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

Revelation 2:26
And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Revelation 3:5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Revelation 3:12
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Revelation 3:21
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

quietthinker · Mar 22, 2025

Hobie said:
Look at what Christ declares my brother...

Revelation 2:7
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Revelation 2:11
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Revelation 2:17
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

Revelation 2:26
And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Revelation 3:5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Revelation 3:12
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Revelation 3:21
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Overcoming!...yes, overcoming the doubt that we are loved. Overcoming the default of looking to ourselves. Overcoming distrust.

Writer · Mar 22, 2025

BarneyFife said:
The problem with this school of reasoning is it assumes we didn't also need Him before we came to Him.

:)

Paul: "...when the law came, I died". Before Jesus, there was the law, and back then, apart from the blood sacrifice of animals, the "CURSE" of the law prevailed, death, and in spite of every attempt to sacrifice animals, man still stood before God condemned. So beforef Jesus, we needed Jesus. Paul: "...but apart from us, they (the prophets) could not recieve...". Meaning; they could not recieve salvation and be set free from the curse. When Adam fell, we needed Jesus. But God had to establish the law first, to show that apart from God's word becoming flesh and living among us, and fulfilling the whole law, and to die to redeem us, and to be raised in order to obilish the curse of death so we could become a new creation, unblemished unto God, MAN COULD NOT DO IT ON HIS OWN. That is the school of reasoning you don't understand.

LittleTuneAlright · Mar 22, 2025

Hobie said:
We have many who say they can't or won't stop sinning even to when Jesus appears at the Second Coming. Are we able to overcome or not?

When the Bible says let "he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: ' does this mean we can stay full of iniquity

If we keep sinning will Christ make us sinless at the end when we are changed 'in the twinkling of an eye'? Is this verse referring only to our mortal bodies of flesh, or also our sinful lives?

What does the Bible teach. Lets take a look...

We don't sin at the second coming because He fights for us! He is out there fighting and all we have to do is Behold.

His fighting means He sticks up for us/Justifies us...this is the twinkling of the eye job.

No Judgement, therefor, no crime!.

WE actually have space in-between our memories, of the things we think were bad at the time...but because we were taken over by condemnation, we believed a lie....no one is perfect... and when Christ say BE perfect he meant to understand that we are not perfect!!! He covered us in the 2nd coming...

BarneyFife · Mar 22, 2025

Writer said:
Paul: "...when the law came, I died". Before Jesus, there was the law, and back then, apart from the blood sacrifice of animals, the "CURSE" of the law prevailed, death, and in spite of every attempt to sacrifice animals, man still stood before God condemned. So beforef Jesus, we needed Jesus. Paul: "...but apart from us, they (the prophets) could not recieve...". Meaning; they could not recieve salvation and be set free from the curse. When Adam fell, we needed Jesus. But God had to establish the law first, to show that apart from God's word becoming flesh and living among us, and fulfilling the whole law, and to die to redeem us, and to be raised in order to obilish the curse of death so we could become a new creation, unblemished unto God, MAN COULD NOT DO IT ON HIS OWN. That is the school of reasoning you don't understand.

I'm sorry. I do have trouble understanding convoluted covenant theology. The Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world, making the Everlasting Gospel, or Covenant, the only one that saves. This is my understanding, in brief.

The Gospel is both simple enough for a child to understand, and wonderful enough to occupy the very brightest of adult minds.

I wasn't trying to claim that your personal understanding was deficient. I prefer to share ideas rather than lecture and demean.

:)

Writer · Mar 22, 2025

BarneyFife said:
I'm sorry. I do have trouble understanding convoluted covenant theology. The Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world, making the Everlasting Gospel, or Covenant, the only one that saves. This my understanding, in brief.

The Gospel is both simple enough for a child to understand, and wonderful enough to occupy the very brightest of adult minds.

I wasn't trying to claim that your personal understanding was deficient. I prefer to share ideas rather than lecture and demean.

:)

When you say "MY Understanding" you display you're ignorance of both the old testament and the new testament. You must be a convoluted believer in a religion and not a believer in Christ Jesus as your Lord and Savior.

BarneyFife · Mar 22, 2025

Writer said:
When you say "MY Understanding" you display you're ignorance of both the old testament and the new testament. You must be a convoluted believer in a religion and not a believer in Christ Jesus as your Lord and Savior.

You've certainly known me long enough to judge.

What's it been, a whole day-and-a-half, now?

:)

Hobie · Mar 23, 2025

LittleTuneAlright said:
We don't sin at the second coming because He fights for us! He is out there fighting and all we have to do is Behold.

His fighting means He sticks up for us/Justifies us...this is the twinkling of the eye job.

No Judgement, therefor, no crime!.

WE actually have space in-between our memories, of the things we think were bad at the time...but because we were taken over by condemnation, we believed a lie....no one is perfect... and when Christ say BE perfect he meant to understand that we are not perfect!!! He covered us in the 2nd coming...

He fought for Judas, and we see what he chose so we have freewill and can go down a wrong path.

Taken · Mar 23, 2025

Is Total Victory over Sin Possible?

Yes.

Why? Because….

1 John 4:
[4] Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Glory to God,
Taken

Dan Clarkston · Mar 27, 2025

Earburner said:
Maybe all of such have a problem with being obedient against lusting after sex in their mind,....but you don't??
In the seconds that you decided to put the thoughts away from you, you already committed the act of adultery in your heart.

Those are things the devil says... I've been way over the sex thing for years homie!

Just because you can't get sexual perversion out of your thoughts doesn't mean other don't have victory over it.

Hobie said:
Lets just look at one, 'adultery'. If you as a Christian continue in it, do you think God will say well this Christian has so many constant falling into this fornication, its ok if he doesn't repent of it and turn from it and allow Christ to cleanse him of this sin. Guess what Christ will say to that person when He comes....'away from me those who practice sin and iniquity' and perdition awaits them as they could not 'remember' this sin. I think everyone is clear on their 'sin' and needs not remember every 'instance', just repent and ask for forgiveness for what we know is the 'iniquity' that holds us in bondage to satan...

What you gotta understand about that mailman guy is... he thinks people that live in sin are still saved because he has fully embraced the false doctrines of the OSAS peoples, aka the false security in sin "gospel" which is doctrines of devils.

Earburner said:
So then, what do you want to do with that??

Tell them they need to REPENT and stop having sexual relations
with their fake spouse and live like room mates, nothing more.

Earburner said:
"repentance FROM sin, by having a CHANGE of mind".

Uh huh, and if one has really changed their minds... they would stop doing their sinful stuff.

Writer said:
When you say "MY Understanding" you display you're ignorance of both the old testament and the new testament.

Well, the SDA peoples try to live under the OT and the NT so of course they are confused not knowing the difference between the two.

Hobie · Apr 1, 2025

Brakelite said:
So while we may not yet be 'perfectly' mature having all knowledge and holiness in all things, we can be perfect in our growing and learning. Even rose buds, though not fully mature, can be perfect.

As long as we are on the road to sanctification we are getting there, and like the thief on the cross, Christ will cover us with His robe of righteousness for that last mile..

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