Catholic tradition, not the Bible, teaches a change to Sundaykeeping.

Hobie · Feb 23, 2025

Nowhere in the Bible does it teach a change from Sabbath to another day, there is no verse which changes the seventh day Sabbath to the first day of the week. The apostles say nothing of any change because of the resurrection, or from being given by divine light, or from the Holy Spirit inspiring them to set another day other than the Sabbath. Nothing is given, by any of the twelve or Paul that says that the Sabbath was changed to Sunday. You can search every text in the scriptures and yet there is nothing there.

Now if you look into Catholic tradition or mans changes, suddenly it becomes clear. It was not changed by God, there was no words spoken by Christ making a changed, there was nothing written by the apostles or Paul declaring a change, it was done by tradition of someone else.

Here is the evidence:

"It is true that Protestants contradict their "Bible Only" theory by keeping the Sunday instead of Saturday, because nowhere in the Bible can a clear text be found to show that Christ changed the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday. From tradition only, which Protestants claim to reject, can Sunday observance be justified. It is not true that the Catholic Church parades the world wide Christian custom as a sign of her power in religious matters, but she refers to it as an instance of Protestant inconsistency. Saturday was the Sabbath day and observed as such even by Christ."

(Source: Our Sunday Visitor, of Huntington Indiana, October 26, 1913, Bureau of Information, page 3.)

"If we would consult the Bible only, without Tradition, we ought, for instance, still to keep holy the Saturday with the Jews, instead of Sunday ..."

Source: Deharbe's Catechism, translated by Rev. John Fander, published by Schwartz, Kirwin & Fauss, 53 Park Place, New York, Sixth American Edition, Copyright 1912, 1919, 1924, page 81.

Why didn't God step in as apostasy crept into the early church, and stop it in its tracks, and keep the Roman Catholic church from leading them into a rejection of the Sabbath, and a change to Sunday worship.

Well God allows freewill, He could have stopped Adam, but then Satan would have been right that force was being used in having man follow God. The church fell into apostasy because they allowed false doctrines and tradition to sneak in, and so the true believers were forced to start again at the Protestant Reformation. But they didn't go all the way to clear out the apostasy that had crept in.

Sunday keeping is not declared or found in the Bible, it is not the 'Lords Day', or even from the Apostles or the resurrection of Christ. It is from a tradition of man, in this case the Roman Church and the Papacy, and not of God. Some people may think Sunday is the Sabbath or has been transferred, or they claim for themselves that can choose whatever day or that every day is the day of worship except for the seventh, but nowhere in the scriptures is the Sabbath transferred to another day with God's blessing, and the Pope does not have the power to do so.

As the scripture clearly shows that the seventh day is the Sabbath, the question them becomes, must Christians keep the Sabbath day that God gave at Creation for all mankind? Must Christians keep any of the Commandments, if so then the Sabbath Commandment still applies. The Sabbath was made by the Creator, and sanctified and made holy, scripture tells us and from what Christ says that it was made for man, at Creation for mankind. This does not mean we are restricted or limited in our actions in showing our love for God and our fellowman to one day, but the Sabbath was made for man, as Christ said, which means it is to us a blessing a special gift for man. It is a special time set aside by God Himself from Creation, to meet with Him, and each other, in holy convocation and fellowship, and receive a blessing.

Hobie · Feb 23, 2025

So should Christians follow mans tradition that the Catholic church brought in from origin that is not from God, or do they follow what God has given us in his word. Christ made clear what we should follow, so would Jesus abolish the Sabbath after His death? Of course not, it continued for who followed Him as you can see.

"And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulcher, and how his body was laid. And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment." Luke 23:55,56.

The faithful women rested on the Sabbath day. They knew they could not embalm the body of Christ on the Lord's Day. No work was done until Sunday morning, the resurrection day.

Jesus never stated that after His death, the Sabbath would be changed and celebrated on Sunday. Scripture is clear, the Sabbath was kept after Christ's resurrection

Now Jesus foretold that Jerusalem would be destroyed by enemy armies. He warned His followers of the time of the invasion saying, "But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:" Matthew 24:20.

Before the invading Roman legions destroyed Jerusalem in A.D. 70, the Christians safely fled from the city and were spared from death. Their departure was in the autumn and not on the holy Sabbath day. Jesus wanted His children to be happy and to keep the Sabbath after His resurrection.

No Bible texts in the New Testament warrant a change of worship from Saturday to Sunday after Christ's resurrection and ascension. Instead we find the Apostle Paul and the Gentiles kept the Sabbath Day after Jesus' death

Paul preaches on the Sabbath day in Antioch: "And when the Jews were gone out the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath… And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God." Acts 13:42-44

Paul preaches on the Sabbath day near Philippi: "And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither. And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul." Acts 16:13,14.

Paul preach on the Sabbath day in Thessalonica: "And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures," Acts 17:2

Paul preaches on the Sabbath day in Corinth; "And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks," Acts18:4

Paul was clearly teaching the Gentiles to worship on the seventh day, the Sabbath not change to another day as its plain he never advocated Sunday sacredness and worship for followers of Christ.

Ronald Nolette · Feb 25, 2025

Hobie said:
So should Christians follow mans tradition that the Catholic church brought in from origin that is not from God, or do they follow what God has given us in his word. Christ made clear what we should follow, so would Jesus abolish the Sabbath after His death? Of course not, it continued for who followed Him as you can see.

"And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulcher, and how his body was laid. And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment." Luke 23:55,56.

The faithful women rested on the Sabbath day. They knew they could not embalm the body of Christ on the Lord's Day. No work was done until Sunday morning, the resurrection day.

Jesus never stated that after His death, the Sabbath would be changed and celebrated on Sunday. Scripture is clear, the Sabbath was kept after Christ's resurrection

Now Jesus foretold that Jerusalem would be destroyed by enemy armies. He warned His followers of the time of the invasion saying, "But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:" Matthew 24:20.

Before the invading Roman legions destroyed Jerusalem in A.D. 70, the Christians safely fled from the city and were spared from death. Their departure was in the autumn and not on the holy Sabbath day. Jesus wanted His children to be happy and to keep the Sabbath after His resurrection.

No Bible texts in the New Testament warrant a change of worship from Saturday to Sunday after Christ's resurrection and ascension. Instead we find the Apostle Paul and the Gentiles kept the Sabbath Day after Jesus' death

Paul preaches on the Sabbath day in Antioch: "And when the Jews were gone out the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath… And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God." Acts 13:42-44

Paul preaches on the Sabbath day near Philippi: "And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither. And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul." Acts 16:13,14.

Paul preach on the Sabbath day in Thessalonica: "And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures," Acts 17:2

Paul preaches on the Sabbath day in Corinth; "And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks," Acts18:4

Paul was clearly teaching the Gentiles to worship on the seventh day, the Sabbath not change to another day as its plain he never advocated Sunday sacredness and worship for followers of Christ.

Paul in romans said any day to gather together is fine.

but what you do not know is that teh early church(which were all Jews) would meet in synagogue for Sabbath service and then aftrer the Sabbath meeting would stay and hold a chrisatian service. As this took place after sundown- it was sunday!

Also the Corinthian church met on Sundays as shown in 1 Cor. 16 when they would gather and bring their offerings.

Sabbath was a sign between teh nation of Israel and god and not a mandate for the church!

Hobie · Feb 28, 2025

Ronald Nolette said:
Paul in romans said any day to gather together is fine.

but what you do not know is that teh early church(which were all Jews) would meet in synagogue for Sabbath service and then aftrer the Sabbath meeting would stay and hold a chrisatian service. As this took place after sundown- it was sunday!

Also the Corinthian church met on Sundays as shown in 1 Cor. 16 when they would gather and bring their offerings.

Sabbath was a sign between teh nation of Israel and god and not a mandate for the church!

Well, lets go over the verse in question..

Colossians 2:14-17
King James Version (KJV)
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

So lets take a closer look at what it says:

1) Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
2) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the
3) sabbath days: Which are a
4) shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

#1 The 'handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us' was the law of Moses, not Gods moral law. The Commandments were described in the Bible as being written on stone with His finger not handwritten by Moses. Also Gods law was not grievous to us as Moses law was a witness against us.
Deuteronomy 31:26 King James Version (KJV)
26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

#2 The Mosaic Ceremonial Laws dealt with meat and drink offerings and various holydays, but the 10 Commandments did not. Also, Mosaic laws did not judge a man, that was not its purpose; those laws were added BECAUSE of transgressions and did not DEFINE the transgression as the Ten Commandments do; these were already shown above.

#3 Notice that 'sabbath days' was used here; plural. The seventh-day Sabbath is usually referred to as 'the sabbath day'(singular). The various holy days of Moses Law or Mosaic Ceremonial Laws, were ceremonial days and were called high sabbaths, but they all revolved around timing of the moon not the seven days of creation.

#4 The Mosaic ceremonial laws were a 'shadow of things to come' and you can see this in Galatians..

Galatians 3:16,19
King James Version (KJV)
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ....19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

So we see this argument against the Sabbath is void because it isnt even talking about the Ten Commandments.

Ronald Nolette · Mar 1, 2025

Hobie said:
Well, lets go over the verse in question..

Colossians 2:14-17
King James Version (KJV)
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

So lets take a closer look at what it says:

1) Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
2) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the
3) sabbath days: Which are a
4) shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

#1 The 'handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us' was the law of Moses, not Gods moral law. The Commandments were described in the Bible as being written on stone with His finger not handwritten by Moses. Also Gods law was not grievous to us as Moses law was a witness against us.
Deuteronomy 31:26 King James Version (KJV)
26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

#2 The Mosaic Ceremonial Laws dealt with meat and drink offerings and various holydays, but the 10 Commandments did not. Also, Mosaic laws did not judge a man, that was not its purpose; those laws were added BECAUSE of transgressions and did not DEFINE the transgression as the Ten Commandments do; these were already shown above.

#3 Notice that 'sabbath days' was used here; plural. The seventh-day Sabbath is usually referred to as 'the sabbath day'(singular). The various holy days of Moses Law or Mosaic Ceremonial Laws, were ceremonial days and were called high sabbaths, but they all revolved around timing of the moon not the seven days of creation.

#4 The Mosaic ceremonial laws were a 'shadow of things to come' and you can see this in Galatians..

Galatians 3:16,19
King James Version (KJV)
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ....19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

So we see this argument against the Sabbath is void because it isnt even talking about the Ten Commandments.

Well let me show where you misunderstand.

When "the law" is spoken of in Scripture it is the entire Mosaic Law- all 613 commands which included the ten.

As for the ten commandments? Paul made it clear what good they were:

2 Corinthians 3:7-9

King James Version

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

The ten commandments are a ministration of death that has been done away with.

KUWN · Mar 1, 2025

Hobie said:
Nowhere in the Bible does it teach a change from Sabbath to another day, there is no verse which changes the seventh day Sabbath to the first day of the week. The apostles say nothing of any change because of the resurrection, or from being given by divine light, or from the Holy Spirit inspiring them to set another day other than the Sabbath. Nothing is given, by any of the twelve or Paul that says that the Sabbath was changed to Sunday. You can search every text in the scriptures and yet there is nothing there.

Now if you look into Catholic tradition or mans changes, suddenly it becomes clear. It was not changed by God, there was no words spoken by Christ making a changed, there was nothing written by the apostles or Paul declaring a change, it was done by tradition of someone else.

Here is the evidence:

"It is true that Protestants contradict their "Bible Only" theory by keeping the Sunday instead of Saturday, because nowhere in the Bible can a clear text be found to show that Christ changed the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday. From tradition only, which Protestants claim to reject, can Sunday observance be justified. It is not true that the Catholic Church parades the world wide Christian custom as a sign of her power in religious matters, but she refers to it as an instance of Protestant inconsistency. Saturday was the Sabbath day and observed as such even by Christ."

(Source: Our Sunday Visitor, of Huntington Indiana, October 26, 1913, Bureau of Information, page 3.)

"If we would consult the Bible only, without Tradition, we ought, for instance, still to keep holy the Saturday with the Jews, instead of Sunday ..."

Source: Deharbe's Catechism, translated by Rev. John Fander, published by Schwartz, Kirwin & Fauss, 53 Park Place, New York, Sixth American Edition, Copyright 1912, 1919, 1924, page 81.

Why didn't God step in as apostasy crept into the early church, and stop it in its tracks, and keep the Roman Catholic church from leading them into a rejection of the Sabbath, and a change to Sunday worship.

Well God allows freewill, He could have stopped Adam, but then Satan would have been right that force was being used in having man follow God. The church fell into apostasy because they allowed false doctrines and tradition to sneak in, and so the true believers were forced to start again at the Protestant Reformation. But they didn't go all the way to clear out the apostasy that had crept in.

Sunday keeping is not declared or found in the Bible, it is not the 'Lords Day', or even from the Apostles or the resurrection of Christ. It is from a tradition of man, in this case the Roman Church and the Papacy, and not of God. Some people may think Sunday is the Sabbath or has been transferred, or they claim for themselves that can choose whatever day or that every day is the day of worship except for the seventh, but nowhere in the scriptures is the Sabbath transferred to another day with God's blessing, and the Pope does not have the power to do so.

As the scripture clearly shows that the seventh day is the Sabbath, the question them becomes, must Christians keep the Sabbath day that God gave at Creation for all mankind? Must Christians keep any of the Commandments, if so then the Sabbath Commandment still applies. The Sabbath was made by the Creator, and sanctified and made holy, scripture tells us and from what Christ says that it was made for man, at Creation for mankind. This does not mean we are restricted or limited in our actions in showing our love for God and our fellowman to one day, but the Sabbath was made for man, as Christ said, which means it is to us a blessing a special gift for man. It is a special time set aside by God Himself from Creation, to meet with Him, and each other, in holy convocation and fellowship, and receive a blessing.

I really don't see that your argument is theologically sound or interesting. Your support that you give is that the Sabbath was changed to Sunday. It was not changed for the Church, since it was never Saturday to begin with.

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ

Paul encourages those who try to force a particular day on the saints, they are out of line. The reality of these characteristics have been done away with since Christ first Advent. The OT Law has become obsolete.

Hebrews 8:13

By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear. I think you are violating basic truths of the apostles.

You say that apostasy was in the early Church, it is beyond that in this day. Only on rare occasions do you see a Catholic Scholars who can exegete the Word.

Hobie · Mar 6, 2025

Ronald Nolette said:
Well let me show where you misunderstand.

When "the law" is spoken of in Scripture it is the entire Mosaic Law- all 613 commands which included the ten.

As for the ten commandments? Paul made it clear what good they were:

2 Corinthians 3:7-9

King James Version

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

The ten commandments are a ministration of death that has been done away with.

They show you sin that is death, but Christ says this...
Luke 10:25-27
25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul,
and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour.

Matthew 19:17
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

He points to the Ten Commandments as leading one to eternal life.

Ronald Nolette · Mar 6, 2025

Hobie said:
They show you sin that is death, but Christ says this...
Luke 10:25-27
25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul,
and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour.

Matthew 19:17
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

He points to the Ten Commandments as leading one to eternal life.

It is sad that you omitted the rest of the context of this conversation.

20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

The young man knew he still needed more. And that was to follow Jesus.

No man is justified by the deeds of the law.

The ten commandments were given to show man cannot be good enough to gain eternal life! they condemn man and show him he is a sinner! The law was given to lead the Jews to Jesus!

Hobie · Mar 7, 2025

Ronald Nolette said:
It is sad that you omitted the rest of the context of this conversation.

20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

The young man knew he still needed more. And that was to follow Jesus.

No man is justified by the deeds of the law.

The ten commandments were given to show man cannot be good enough to gain eternal life! they condemn man and show him he is a sinner! The law was given to lead the Jews to Jesus!

Christ showed him you have to go beyond and surpass even the righteousness of the literal law, to what He gives as the underlying basis of the Law, which is Love.

Matthew 22:36-40
35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Ronald Nolette · Mar 7, 2025

Hobie said:
They show you sin that is death, but Christ says this...
Luke 10:25-27
25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul,
and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour.

Matthew 19:17
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

He points to the Ten Commandments as leading one to eternal life.

No! The ten commandments cause death! that is what a ministration of death means! In the same passage Paul even called it a ministry of condemnation!

No one ever gets saved by keeping the commandments.

Sin is empowered or enabled by the law!

1 Corinthians 15:56
The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

Ronald Nolette · Mar 7, 2025

Hobie said:
Christ showed him you have to go beyond and surpass even the righteousness of the literal law, to what He gives as the underlying basis of the Law, which is Love.

Matthew 22:36-40
35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

And keeping all the laws and the two great commandments will not save you if yo are not trusting in teh death and resurrection of Jesus for your sin.

Keeping the law cannot save anyone.

Obedience to God is a result of being saved and not, I repeat NOT getting saved or staying saved or advancing your salvation.

DJT_47 · Mar 7, 2025

It's biblical not man contrived or catholic. The disciples gathered together to break bread and remember the Lord on the 1st day of the week, Sunday. It's also called the Lord's day.

Hobie · Mar 16, 2025

Ronald Nolette said:
No! The ten commandments cause death! that is what a ministration of death means! In the same passage Paul even called it a ministry of condemnation!

No one ever gets saved by keeping the commandments.

Sin is empowered or enabled by the law!

1 Corinthians 15:56
The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

And yet Christ repeats it...
Luke 18:18-21
18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.
21 And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up.

Hobie · Mar 16, 2025

Ronald Nolette said:
And keeping all the laws and the two great commandments will not save you if yo are not trusting in teh death and resurrection of Jesus for your sin.

Keeping the law cannot save anyone.

Obedience to God is a result of being saved and not, I repeat NOT getting saved or staying saved or advancing your salvation.

When you have love which is the basis of the Law and truly knowing Christ, then Christ is clear..

John 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

1 John 2:4
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 3:24
And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

1 John 5:2
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
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Ronald Nolette · Mar 16, 2025

Hobie said:
And yet Christ repeats it...
Luke 18:18-21
18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.
21 And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up.

So you believe the Apostle Paul was lying when He said this:

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Romans 3:20
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Romans 3:28
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Or Jesus was lying when He said this:

John 3:

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

and you do not see that the rich young ruler had kept the law since his youth and still lacked what was needed to be saved. Because the law cannot save.

Keeping the commandments was not enough.!

TheOneHeLoves · Mar 17, 2025

catholicism does not follow scripture/ Jesus. It was formed by roman leader to incorporate parts of Jesus' teachings and Greek pagen worship so they could merge everyone and still be in charge.

Hobie · Mar 23, 2025

Ronald Nolette said:
So you believe the Apostle Paul was lying when He said this:

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Romans 3:20
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Romans 3:28
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Or Jesus was lying when He said this:

John 3:

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

and you do not see that the rich young ruler had kept the law since his youth and still lacked what was needed to be saved. Because the law cannot save.

Keeping the commandments was not enough.!

The Law saves no one, the concept behind it is what Gods truth is founded on and leads to everlasting life. What you fail to recognize is that Christ pointed to the true purpose of the law when asked, it connects man to his Creator. The Law points us to love the Creator and our fellowman He created as it was from the beginning....

The Greatest Commandment
34 Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question:
36 "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37 Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'[b] 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[c] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

Ronald Nolette · Mar 23, 2025

Hobie said:
The Law saves no one, the concept behind it is what Gods truth is founded on and leads to everlasting life. What you fail to recognize is that Christ pointed to the true purpose of the law when asked, it connects man to his Creator. The Law points us to love the Creator and our fellowman He created as it was from the beginning....

The Greatest Commandment
34 Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question:
36 "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37 Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'[b] 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[c] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

No I do not fail to recognize this vital point.

The law doesn't save, the law has been fulfilled and now that faith has come we are no longer under the law! We are under the Spirit and once again of the ten written in stone, only 9 were brought into the new Testament.

Ronald Nolette · Mar 24, 2025

Hobie said:
Christ showed him you have to go beyond and surpass even the righteousness of the literal law, to what He gives as the underlying basis of the Law, which is Love.

Matthew 22:36-40
35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

That is correct because no one is righteous by obedience to the Law. We must trust in the death and resurrection of Jesus alone for our salvation and then we get the very righteousness of Jesus! that is the only righteousness that is acceptable.

Galatians 3:23-25

King James Version

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

And the law was for Israel and not the Gentiles. we are saved by grace through faith and not of any works lest we should boast!

Catholic tradition, not the Bible, teaches a change to Sundaykeeping.

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