edited: If you were like Jonah and....... would you be going to Heaven or Hell?

thelord's_pearl · Mar 3, 2025

Hi,
I wanted to know if you were like Jonah, where God told you to do something but you didn't obey, but you also didn't sin but you just didn't obey God's directions, would you still be going to Heaven??? If Jonah didn't repent, he will be cursed I guess and not live, will he still be going to heaven? Thank you for those of you who know the answer. I hope I get the right answer here.

quietthinker · Mar 4, 2025

thelord's_pearl said:
Hi,
I wanted to know if you were like Noah, where God told you to do something but you didn't obey, but you also didn't sin but you just didn't obey God's directions, would you still be going to Heaven??? If Noah didn't repent, he will be cursed I guess and not live, will he still be going to heaven? Thank you for those of you who know the answer. I hope I get the right answer here.

What didn't Noah do that God told him to do, tl_p?

thelord's_pearl · Mar 4, 2025

quietthinker said:
What didn't Noah do that God told him to do, tl_p?

I forgot what he didn't do exactly but I remember he didn't go the direction God wanted him to and then he got swallowed by a fish for his disobedience and then after that he obeyed God, but I was asking if he still didn't obey, in that kind of situation, will he be going to heaven still since he didn't sin, he just didn't obey a direction?

thelord's_pearl · Mar 4, 2025

quietthinker said:
What didn't Noah do that God told him to do, tl_p?

oh sorry, I meant Jonah! It was Jonah! Not Noah! Noah did do what God asked him to do which was build the ark.

Rita · Mar 4, 2025

Jonah’s problems was that he didn’t think God should show mercy to his enemies, so he didn’t want to go to them and proclaim a message that could lead them to repentance .
Now I don’t believe this is a salvation issue, it was a learning curve for Jonah., and it’s one we also have to learn along the way.
I am pretty sure that within Gods people today there are many Jonah’s , those who don’t believe Gods mercy should be shown to certain people - they would equally run a mile if God called them to proclaim a message to them. ………

Rockerduck · Mar 4, 2025

Jonah disobeyed God and expected God to kill him when he did. 200 years before Jonah, a man of God disobeyed God. Jonah was well aware of this prophet, because God killed this man of God with a lion. Jonah was depressed. God did cause Jonah to die after being thrown in the water, then a big fish swallowed him and God revived him in the fish, but the fish puked him ashore at Ninevah. Jonah would rather die than preach to an arch enemy. That depressed Jonah.

1 Kings 13:21-22 - and he cried out to the man of God who came from Judah, saying, “Thus says the Lord: ‘Because you have disobeyed the word of the Lord, and have not kept the commandment which the Lord your God commanded you, 22 but you came back, ate bread, and drank water in the place of which the Lord said to you, “Eat no bread and drink no water,” your corpse shall not come to the tomb of your fathers.’ ”

24When he was gone, a lion met him on the road and killed him. And his corpse was thrown on the road, and the donkey stood by it. The lion also stood by the corpse.

Rita · Mar 4, 2025

I was re reading the story of Jonah and a question arose, and a discussion with my son ( also a Christian ) When Jonah is on the boat and knows he is the one causing the storm why does he not throw himself overboard. My son reckons it’s because suicide would have been a sin, but so is murder ( although they were not Gods people ) I wondered whether it was to demonstrate that he was not a willing sacrifice for others ( has to be some connection to the three nights in the belly ect to Jesus )
Just one of those random thoughts and conversations !

quietthinker · Mar 4, 2025

Rita said:
I was re reading the story of Jonah and a question arose, and a discussion with my son ( also a Christian ) When Jonah is on the boat and knows he is the one causing the storm why does he not throw himself overboard. My son reckons it’s because suicide would have been a sin, but so is murder ( although they were not Gods people ) I wondered whether it was to demonstrate that he was not a willing sacrifice for others ( has to be some connection to the three nights in the belly ect to Jesus )
Just one of those random thoughts and conversations !

Jonah no doubt believed in human sacrifice as a method of appeasement. Evidently the storm abated after he was thrown overboard. The question is, who was it that bought on the storm? ...and as far as human sacrifice is concerned, the scripture is clear that God opposes this practice.

Rockerduck · Mar 4, 2025

Rita said:
I was re reading the story of Jonah and a question arose, and a discussion with my son ( also a Christian ) When Jonah is on the boat and knows he is the one causing the storm why does he not throw himself overboard. My son reckons it’s because suicide would have been a sin, but so is murder ( although they were not Gods people ) I wondered whether it was to demonstrate that he was not a willing sacrifice for others ( has to be some connection to the three nights in the belly ect to Jesus )
Just one of those random thoughts and conversations !

Yes, it required the boat people to sacrifice Jonah and for them to throw Jonah overboard in order to please God. The boat people prayed to God afterwards. Jonah could not sacrifice himself. This also showed Jesus's sacrificial death on the Cross. Jesus could not sacrifice himself.

Rita · Mar 4, 2025

I guess , after thinking about it more, he was willing to be a sacrifice as he told them to throw himself overboard.
It was God that brought about the storm @quietthinker
Another thought - is their a link between the Storm with the disciples in the boat and Jesus where he was asleep down below !?

quietthinker · Mar 4, 2025

Rita said:
I guess , after thinking about it more, he was willing to be a sacrifice as he told them to throw himself overboard.
It was God that brought about the storm @quietthinker
Another thought - is their a link between the Storm with the disciples in the boat and Jesus where he was asleep down below !?

Does God bring calamity? It appears the OT folk thought so...and wrote so, but does that make it so?
The storm on the sea which Jesus slept through before being awakened by his friends is another in question.
I think we need to be definitive about this and know why otherwise the dot joining process becomes random...and to what end?

Rita · Mar 4, 2025

So would you say that God didn’t bring about the flood or destruction of Sodom ect.

quietthinker · Mar 4, 2025

Rita said:
So would you say that God didn’t bring about the flood or destruction of Sodom ect.

yes

quietthinker · Mar 4, 2025

I know many Christians find this alarming and downright dismiss it without enquiry. They assume that what they understand is unquestionably right.
The same process of dismissal even vilification has occurred in medicine, in science ...and in the life of Jesus.

Rockerduck · Mar 4, 2025

Rita said:
I guess , after thinking about it more, he was willing to be a sacrifice as he told them to throw himself overboard.
It was God that brought about the storm @quietthinker
Another thought - is their a link between the Storm with the disciples in the boat and Jesus where he was asleep down below !?

Not that I could see, I guess it could be inferred, because Jonah was asleep below deck and Jesus was asleep in the stern, not below deck. Its a stretch to link it. The main story is Jonah was sacrificed, who died, was brought back to life in the belly of the fish, 3 days and Jesus was sacrificed, 3 days, and risen.

Rockerduck · Mar 4, 2025

Rita said:
So would you say that God didn’t bring about the flood or destruction of Sodom ect.

Of course, the bible says God did, and Abraham negotiated with the Preincarnate Jesus.

PGS11 · Mar 4, 2025

Jonah was a whiner he ran from God because he did not want to deliver the message to the people he just didn't want to do it and runs.He ends up right back where he started in the end and is forced to ask the people to repent.The people do repent so what does Jonah do he whines again that now he is a false prophet because the people were not destroyed. He was pitiful in the eyes of God all he could think about was himself.
The story shows you don't have a choice if God wants you to do something Jonah fought every step and ended up doing it anyway.He didn't want to be out of his comfort zone to do as God asked.Not many would run from God I would of done as God asked.Judgment is for Christ not me I judge no one as to going to hell it is not for me to judge.

Rockerduck · Mar 4, 2025

PGS11 said:
Jonah was a whiner he ran from God because he did not want to deliver the message to the people he just didn't want to do it and runs.He ends up right back where he started in the end and is forced to ask the people to repent.The people do repent so what does Jonah do he whines again that now he is a false prophet because the people were not destroyed. He was pitiful in the eyes of God all he could think about was himself.
The story shows you don't have a choice if God wants you to do something Jonah fought every step and ended up doing it anyway.He didn't want to be out of his comfort zone to do as God asked.Not many would run from God I would of done as God asked.Judgment is for Christ not me I judge no one as to going to hell it is not for me to judge.

Did you read this thread or just post? You missed the deeper purpose in association with Jesus in the book of Jonah..

PGS11 · Mar 4, 2025

Yes I am aware of the sign of Jonah I am pointing out what a poor character of a person Jonah is.

If Christ is willing to forgive - Noah has to be saved by Christ also which would cover his sins so once again it would be up to Jesus.

Rockerduck · Mar 4, 2025

PGS11 said:
Yes I am aware of the sign of Jonah I am pointing out what a poor character of a person Jonah is.

If Christ is willing to forgive - Noah has to be saved by Christ also which would cover his sins so once again it would be up to Jesus.

Jonah was a Prophet, chosen, and had the Holy Spirit like all the prophets in the Old Testament. That means they also have salvation. Jesus died and set the captives free in Abraham's bosom/paradise. Moses and Elijah were prophets and were at Christ's transfiguration. Jonah may have been a poor character but are we any better? Jesus chose us too and gave us the Holy Spirit.

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