You have not been listening. I said Jesus, when He returns will be Israel's ruling king forever. I show His return on my chart. "Jesus returns, Ezekiel 39:21-29"
Hal Lindsay And Time LaHaye Were Deceived
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tailgator
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I've already matched ezekiel 37-47 with revelation 20-22.
You are not even able to find Jesus reigning in Ezekiel even though I showed you .
You have denied anyone in Ezekiel can be redeemed from earth though I have showed you that as well.
tailgator
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Jesus is reigning in Ezekiel 37 before Gog invades the land of Israel.
Obviously Jesus has something to do with people coming out of their graves.
But you don't believe Jesus can call anyone out of their graves because you say it's not real.
Here ,Ezekiel says the dead are raised from their graves and recieve life from the Lord . The same verses you say he does not bring anyone up out of their graves
Ezekiel 37
12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
But you say he doesn't bring anyone out of their graves.You said it's not real.
Here Jesus says he is the one who calls them from their graves
John 5
27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
But again.You say it's not real.You say it's symbolic because you say the dead don't rise from the graves.Most christians would agree that Jesus calls God's holy people to rise from their graves but not you .You say it's not real.
tailgator
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I don't even know why I read the garbage posted by someone who doesn't even believe Jesus can call the dead out of their graves .
It's time for me to ignore the unbeliever.
It's time for me to ignore the unbeliever.
You are twisting and making stuff up about what I wrote, believe, and show on my charts.
rebuilder 454
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You never have, and never will erase the pretrib rapture verses BY JESUS that you claim Jesus is using scare tactics.
The Light
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Ol Davy runs and hides when the scripture comes out. He only uses part of the Word of God to prove an incorrect assumption.
Yeah, I know that.
WRONG! Both Mark 13:24-27 and Matthew 24:29-31 are about the 'day' of Christ's future coming. What happens on that day of His future coming??? Duh.... the future RESURRECTION and GATHERING OF HIS FAITHFUL CHURCH.
Davy, there is no mention of a resurrection in either Mark 13:27 nor Matthew24:31.
The resurrection/rapture event of 1Thessalonians4:14-18, is by Jesus Himself directly. There are no angels gathering the resurrected/rapture Christians.
Yes there is. You are simply in denial.
Matt 24:29-31
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
KJV
Verse 31 above reveals Christ's 'asleep' saints will be gathered FROM... "one end of heaven to the other". That is pointing to Paul's 1 Thessalonians 4:13-16 Scripture about the asleep saints that have already died in Christ. Paul says Jesus will bring those WITH HIM WHEN HE COMES. Where is Jesus COMING FROM when He comes? FROM HEAVEN.
1 Thess 4:13-17
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with Him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
KJV
The Mark 13 version of that future gathering event gives a DIFFERENT LOCATION from which the saints are gathered, and it aligns with Paul's 1 Thessalonians 4:17 verse...
Mark 13:24-27
24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
27 And then shall He send His angels, and shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
KJV
In that Mark 13 version, the saints that are STILL ALIVE ON EARTH are gathered to Christ in the heavenly when He descends to the earth, and that is what Paul was pointing to below...
1 Thessalonians 4:17
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
KJV
But of course I know why... you DENY those above Scriptures as written. It is because you are WRONGLY TAUGHT BY THE FALSE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE SCHOOL TO DENY THEM.
Of course you just told a BIG LIE.
You fakes don't care how you lie, thinking the Biblically illiterate will listen to anything you say!
May God rebuke you, in the Name of Jesus Christ.
And there's yet another LIE by those deceived by MEN'S false pre-trib rapture theory.
I have NEVER claimed my Lord Jesus ever taught MAN's FALSE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE THEORY! It's even IDIOTIC to even suggest such a thing!
Brethren in Christ, is that what the false Pre-trib Rapture school teaches its believers, to TELL LIES no matter what the cost to their own SOUL and or REPUTATION?
Uh... WHAT? The battle of Gog/Magog in Ezekiel 39 takes place AFTER Christ's future 1,000 years reign?
No, you are confused by that term "Gog and Magog".
In the Ezekiel 38-39 version of "Gog, the land of Magog", SPECIFIC NATIONS are mentioned there aligned with Gog/Magog. And today we can actually see that nation alignment happening!
Persia (Iran; Iraq)
Ethiopia (used to include Sudan, which is south of today's Ethiopia)
Libya (we already know they are allied with Russian support of terrorism, just as with Iran and Sudan)
Gomer (represented today by the old Soviet satellites, Georgia, etc.)
Togarmah (the old area of Cappadocia, which is today's area of Turkey, a NATO ally now, but the Russians have been trying to turn them, and Turkey is an Islamic nation).
And Gog/Magog today is represented by Communist Russia.
THOSE... are the nations of Ezekiel 38-39 that will come up against Israel on the last day of this world, both the Israel in the middle east, and the Christian Israel of God in the western Christian nations.
But the "Gog and Magog" at the end of Revelation 20, LOOK... where it attacks in that future time after Christ's thousand years reign...
Rev 20:7-9
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
KJV
Wait a minute! That "camp of the saints" is about CHRISTIANS camped there! And that "beloved city" is pointing to JERUSALEM! So is TODAY'S Jerusalem called a "camp of the saints", i.e., CHRISTIAN saints?? NO! of course not, NOT YET! Why? Simply because today's Jerusalem is half controlled by Muslim Arabs and Orthodox Jews who follow JUDAISM, NOT Christianity!
So this must mean the Gog/Magog of Revelation 20 is NOT the same one of Ezekiel 38-39, but instead is ANOTHER SEPARATE EVENT of destruction.
And we KNOW that the battle of Armageddon against the Gog/Magog of Ezekiel 38-39 ONLY happens on the day of Christ's future coming at the START of His 1,000 years reign!
Just because a preacher stands at a pulpit dressed in a nice suit of clothes, and sees a repeat of the name Gog and Magog doesn't mean they understand this difference in Scripture, but that they instead just looked at the Gog/Magog phrase and DREW THEIR OWN FALSE CONCLUSION! I'd be ashamed to call those kind of preachers my Bible teacher.
tailgator
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Let me guess,you also teach Jesus does not raise the dead and call them up out of their graves and you also don't believe Christ reigns as king of Israel in the land of Israel.Is that correct?
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tailgator
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All these fake Christians who say the dead are not raised out of their graves simply don't believe God has the power to raise the dead.
They say is must be symbolic of something else.They insist God does not raise the dead before Gog comes against the resurected saints of God even though Ezekiel says the dead are raised out of their graves before Gog comes against them.
No, Davy, I understand that Matthew 24:31 and Mark 13:27 is about the final gathering of the Jews from the nations to the land of Israel because of what it says in Deuteronomy 30:1-6. And that there are Jews at present still in the nations around the world.
Deuteronomy 30:
4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:
5 And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.
Davy, I am what I call anytime rapture view. That is anytime between right now and the day the Antichrist goes into the temple, sits, claiming to have achieved God-hood (the transgression of desolation act).
The Light
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Bud......EVERYTIME we go toe to toe with scripture, you run and hide because you cannot answer.
You use half the Word of God to prove that there is a rapture after the tribulation......AND THERE IS. But in no way whatsoever can you prove that there is not a pretribulation rapture.
Fact is there is a rapture before the tribulation and there is a rapture after the tribulation.
One rapture like the days of Noah and one rapture like the days of Lot.
One rapture the Lord Himself comes and one rapture He sends His angels.
The fig tree has two harvests.........FACT.
Stop running.
So, you would agree with the time line of my chart... ? (you can click on it to see a zoomed in view)
From my reading of many of your posts, you show me that you have a VERY LIMITED understanding in The New Testament Scriptures. I can see your Old Testament favoritism all throughout your speech. You may have many here fooled, but not me.
The Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 Chapters are called Christ's Olivet discourse, because Lord Jesus gave those SIGNS of the end of this world to the CHRISTIAN CHURCH via the early 'foundation' of His Church which were there with Him upon that Mount of Olives.
And those SIGNS He gave upon that Mount of Olives parallel the SEALS of Revelation 6. So maybe the next fib from the Pre-trib Rapture lawyers you're going to try and tell me is that Christ's Book of Revelation wasn't given to His Christian Church?
You need to quit listening to false Jews, and instead listen to Christ in His Word.
The Pre-trib Rapture school only USES that Deut.30 Scripture as an EXCUSE to DENY the simple Matt.24 and Mark 13 events about Christ's future GATHERING OF THE SAINTS, i.e., HIS CHURCH! They do that in order to prevent their deceived followers from considering those SIGNS of the end of this world which Jesus gave to His faithful Church.
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