Hal Lindsay And Time LaHaye Were Deceived

tailgator · Feb 25, 2025

Douggg said:
Jesus, when He returns, will be the king of Israel forever.

And who do you say is king of Israel forever in Ezekiel 37:24-25?
Do you agree this is speaking of Christ?
Or do you claim this is someone else who is king of Israel forever?

Ezekiel 37
24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

Douggg · Feb 25, 2025

tailgator said:
And who do you say is king of Israel forever in Ezekiel 37:24-25?
Do you agree this is speaking of Christ?

I agree that Ezekiel 37:24-25 is referring to Jesus. To be fulfilled when Jesus returns.

Now go back up to Ezekiel 37:22.

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

When Israel was a divided as north and south kingdoms, there was a series of kings over the north and a series of kings over the south.

Israel, one united nation again on May 14,1948, fulfillng part of Ezekiel 37, verse 22, there have been a series of prime ministers over that one united nation. Benjamin Netanyahu is the most recent.

tailgator · Feb 25, 2025

Douggg said:
I agree that Ezekiel 37:24-25 is referring to Jesus. To be fulfilled when Jesus returns.

Now go back up to Ezekiel 37:22.

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

When Israel was a divided as north and south kingdoms, there was a series of kings over the north and a series of kings over the south.

Israel, one united nation again on May 14,1948, fulfillng part of Ezekiel 37, verse 22, there have been a series of prime ministers over that one united nation. Benjamin Netanyahu is the most recent.

As the map you posted shows.
The land of Israel is presently divided.

Now back to Jesus.

Ezekiel 37 shows dead people coming up out of their graves ,receiving life and being gathered into that land of Israel
Ezekiel 37 as also shows Jesus reigning over the Israelites who come up out of their graves.
Ezekiel 38 shows Gog coming against the Israelites who live in the land of Israel .

Those are the exact same sequence of events revelation 20 shows.

First,Israel is resurected in the first resurection.
They reign with Christ for 1000 years,
Then Gog comes against the saints who came up out of their graves

It's no great mystery why you cant find the1000 years reign of Christ in Ezekiel 39 when Ezekiel says Christ is reigning in Ezekiel 37 before Gog comes against Israel.
You should at least feel a little ashamed you've been misleading people for years but you will dismiss the reign of Christ in Ezekiel 37 and continue your attempts to decieve other people.

Douggg · Feb 25, 2025

tailgator said:
As the map you posted shows.
The land of Israel is presently divided.

Israel is no longer divided into the northern kingdom, which was called Israel, and the southern kingdom, which was called Judah.

But is one nation again.

Douggg · Feb 25, 2025

tailgator said:
First,Israel is resurected in the first resurection.
They reign with Christ for 1000 years,
Then Gog comes against the saints who came up out of their graves

No, the first resurrection of the millennium is that of the martyred great tribulation saints. It does not say Israel in the text of Revelation 20:4-6.

tailgator said:
It's no great mystery why you cant find the1000 years reign of Christ in Ezekiel 39 when Ezekiel says Christ is reigning in Ezekiel 37 before Gog comes against Israel.

There are many, many things that are in Revelation that are not in Ezekiel 39.

But in Ezekiel 39, there are 7 years following the Gog/Magog event, in Ezekiel 39:9. While in Revelation 20, there are no 7 years following the final rebellion of the nations in the text.

No, I don't dismiss that Jesus will reign the nation of Israel as their king forever. But that takes place when Jesus returns.

tailgator · Feb 25, 2025

Douggg said:
Israel is no longer divided into the northern kingdom, which was called Israel, and the southern kingdom, which was called Judah.

But is one nation again.

No,the kingdom is divided.
There are 3 million Palestinians living in the West Bank.

Douggg · Feb 25, 2025

@tailgator

Since you are claiming that the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 39 takes place in Revelation 20:7-10, the final rebellion of the nations - see if you can link these verses in Ezekiel 39 with verses in Revelation 20:7-10.

I'll go first...

Ezekiel 39:1-6 Gog's army destroyed
Ezekiel 39:9, 7 years = Daniel 9:27, the 7 year 70th week
Ezekiel 39:17-20, the feast = the feast, Revelation 19:17-18
Ezekiel 39: 21, Jesus's executed judgement = Revelation 19:21
Ezekiel 39:28, the final gathering of the house of Israel = the gathering of Matthew 24:31

Now, your turn... remember, use what is written in Revelation 20:7-10 to support your claim.

Ezekiel 39:1-6 = ?
Ezekiel 39:9 = ?
Ezekiel 39:17-20 = ?
Ezekiel 39:21 = ?
Ezekiel 39:28 = ?

Douggg · Feb 25, 2025

tailgator said:
No,the kingdom is divided.
There are 3 million Palestinians living in the West Bank.

But Israel is no longer divided into its two former nations of north and south.

tailgator · Feb 25, 2025

Douggg said:
No, the first resurrection of the millennium is that of the martyred great tribulation saints. It does not say Israel in the text of Revelation 20:4-6.

There are many, many things that are in Revelation that are not in Ezekiel 39.

But in Ezekiel 39, there are 7 years following the Gog/Magog event, in Ezekiel 39:9. While in Revelation 20, there are no 7 years following the final rebellion of the nations in the text.

No, I don't dismiss that Jesus will reign the nation of Israel as their king forever. But that takes place when Jesus returns.

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So you believe in revelation all life ceases to exist and there is no more time forever.
But according to you there won't be a forever because it would take time for that and time would insist of 7 ,8, and 9 years.

And just do you know.Tjeee are more than ,7 years in the book of Ezekiel .Christ ,who reigns in Ezekiel 37 before Gog invades his kingdom in Ezekiel 38,will reign forever.
Forever consists of more than 7 years.

Douggg · Feb 25, 2025

tailgator said:
So you believe in revelation all life ceases to exist and there is no more time forever.

I have no idea of what you are referring to.

I presented this chart of events and the verses that go with them.

tailgator · Feb 25, 2025

Douggg said:
@tailgator

Since you are claiming that the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 39 takes place in Revelation 20:7-10, the final rebellion of the nations - see if you can link these verses in Ezekiel 39 with verses in Revelation 20:7-10.

I'll go first...

Ezekiel 39:1-6 Gog's army destroyed
Ezekiel 39:9, 7 years = Daniel 9:27, the 7 year 70th week
Ezekiel 39:17-20, the feast = the feast, Revelation 19:17-18
Ezekiel 39: 21, Jesus's executed judgement = Revelation 19:21
Ezekiel 39:28, the final gathering of the house of Israel = the gathering of Matthew 24:31

Now, your turn... remember, use what is written in Revelation 20:7-10 to support your claim.

Ezekiel 39:1-6 = ?
Ezekiel 39:9 = ?
Ezekiel 39:17-20 = ?
Ezekiel 39:21 = ?
Ezekiel 39:28 = ?

If you going to go by revelation 20 then you need to include Ezekiel 37 as well.The resurection of Israel which is in revelation 20:4 is in Ezekiel 37:7-14.
The reign of Christ which also is in revelation 20:4 and corresponds to the reign of Christ in Ezekiel 37:24-25.
The resurected saints in Ezekiel 37 have been cleansed of all sin and have the spirit of God in them which corresponds to revelation 20:6 and Exodus 19:6.
Israel has become a kingdom of priests and a holy nation
The resurected saints in revelation dwell in the beloved city (Jerusalem) revelation 20;9 which corresponds to the resurected saints living in the land of Israel in Ezekiel 37-48.Gog comes against the resurected saints in revelation 20:9 and fire comes down from heaven and destroys Gog ,same as Ezekiel 38:22.
In Ezekiel 39:8-20 the earth is cleansed wherein in revelation 21:1 the earth is made new.
In revelation 21:10 ,new Jerusalem comes down out of heaven .Out of New Jerusalem flows the river of life with the tree of life beside it in revelation 22:1-2 which corresponds to the river of life flowing out of the temple in ezekiel 47:1-12 with the tree of life growing beside it on either side of the river.

tailgator · Feb 25, 2025

Douggg said:
I have no idea of what you are referring to.

I presented this chart of events and the verses that go with them.

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You said there is no seven years in revelation. Those were your words.

If you believe there are no more years then there would be no more time at all .You must believe everything ends.

tailgator · Feb 25, 2025

Douggg said:
I have no idea of what you are referring to.

I presented this chart of events and the verses that go with them.

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I've already proven your chart is deceitful.
Jesus is reigning in Ezekiel 37 in the land of Israel before Gog comes against his kingdom in Ezekiel 38 .

Douggg · Feb 25, 2025

tailgator said:
You said there is no seven years in revelation. Those were your words.

No, I said that there were no 7 years following the final rebellion of the nations in Revelation 20:7-9 in the text.

Douggg · Feb 25, 2025

tailgator said:
If you going to go by revelation 20 then you need to include Ezekiel 37 as well.The resurection of Israel which is in revelation 20:4 is in Ezekiel 37:7-14.
The reign of Christ which also is in revelation 20:4 and corresponds to the reign of Christ in Ezekiel 37:24-25.
The resurected saints in Ezekiel 37 have been cleansed of all sin and have the spirit of God in them which corresponds to revelation 20:6 and Exodus 19:6.
Israel has become a kingdom of priests and a holy nation
The resurected saints in revelation dwell in the beloved city (Jerusalem) revelation 20;9 which corresponds to the resurected saints living in the land of Israel in Ezekiel 37-48.Gog comes against the resurected saints in revelation 20:9 and fire comes down from heaven and destroys Gog ,same as Ezekiel 38:22.
In Ezekiel 39:8-20 the earth is cleansed wherein in revelation 21:1 the earth is made new.
In revelation 21:10 ,new Jerusalem comes down out of heaven .Out of New Jerusalem flows the river of life with the tree of life beside it in revelation 22:1-2 which corresponds to the river of life flowing out of the temple in ezekiel 47:1-12 with the tree of life growing beside it on either side of the river.

Match the text of Revelation 20:7-9, to these verses in Ezekiel 39 to support your claim that Ezekiel 39 takes place in Revelation 20:7-9.

Ezekiel 39:1-6 = ?
Ezekiel 39:9 = ?
Ezekiel 39:17-20 = ?
Ezekiel 39:21 = ?
Ezekiel 39:28 = ?

I already did so, to show that Ezekiel 39 is not in Revelation 20:7-9, as...

Ezekiel 39:1-6 Gog's army destroyed
Ezekiel 39:9, 7 years = Daniel 9:27, the 7 year 70th week
Ezekiel 39:17-20, the feast = the feast, Revelation 19:17-18
Ezekiel 39: 21, Jesus's executed judgement = Revelation 19:21
Ezekiel 39:28, the final gathering of the house of Israel = the gathering of Matthew 24:31

Douggg · Feb 25, 2025

tailgator said:
I've already proven your chart is deceitful.
Jesus is reigning in Ezekiel 37 in the land of Israel before Gog comes against his kingdom in Ezekiel 38 .

No, you have not. Nor have you presented a chart of your own.

tailgator · Feb 25, 2025

Douggg said:
No, I said that there were no 7 years following the final rebellion of the nations in Revelation 20:7-9 in the text.

So are you saying you believe there will be another 7 years or not?

Either you believe life goes on for the resurected holy saints or you believe they will not continue another 7 years nor do you believe anyone else will.

What's it going to be Doug make up your mind.

tailgator · Feb 25, 2025

Douggg said:
No, you have not. Nor have you presented a chart of your own.

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You agreed yoursrlf that Jesus is reigning in Ezekiel 37.
Now you saying he doesn't reign?

Make up your mind Doug.

tailgator · Feb 25, 2025

Douggg said:
Match the text of Revelation 20:7-9, to these verses in Ezekiel 39 to support your claim that Ezekiel 39 takes place in Revelation 20:7-9.

Ezekiel 39:1-6 = ?
Ezekiel 39:9 = ?
Ezekiel 39:17-20 = ?
Ezekiel 39:21 = ?
Ezekiel 39:28 = ?

I already did so, to show that Ezekiel 39 is not in Revelation 20:7-9, as...

Ezekiel 39:1-6 Gog's army destroyed
Ezekiel 39:9, 7 years = Daniel 9:27, the 7 year 70th week
Ezekiel 39:17-20, the feast = the feast, Revelation 19:17-18
Ezekiel 39: 21, Jesus's executed judgement = Revelation 19:21
Ezekiel 39:28, the final gathering of the house of Israel = the gathering of Matthew 24:31

I've already Matched texts from Ezekiel 37-47 and revelation 20-22.

It matches perfectly

Same resurection
Same reign of Christ
Same invasion and destruction of Gog.
Same river of life with the tree of life.

Even the same leaves on the trees used for healing.

Douggg · Feb 25, 2025

tailgator said:
I've already Matched texts from Ezekiel 37-47 and revelation 20-22.

You claim that Ezekiel 39 Gog/Magog event is the Revelation 20:7-9 referral to Gog-Magog.

So to support your claim match theses verses of Ezekiel 39 with verses in Revelation 20:7-9.

Ezekiel 39:1-6 = ? what verse(s) in Revelation 20:7-9
Ezekiel 39:9 = ? what verse in Revelation 20:7-9
Ezekiel 39:17-20 = ? what verse in Revelation 20:7-9
Ezekiel 39:21 = ? what verse in Revelation 20:7-9
Ezekiel 39:28 = ? what verse in Revelation 20:7-9

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