if i wanted to become a catholic
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quietthinker
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Couldn't you describe that as 'magical thinking'?.....of course it includes the rationalisation.
You know...in a lot of ways Catholic Priests are like the Priests of the OT...
the line of Aaron.
It's not magical thinking because if you read John 6:53 (I think it is) the word for EAT in that particular verse means CHEW in the Greek language. It's as if Jesus meant that we literally have to "eat" Him...it sounds so terrible.
The early Christians were known to be cannibals and they died for this...
it was one of the reasons they were so unliked.
If I remember right,,,the early church theologians (fathers) also believed in this.
There’s nothing to wonder about. Israel vacillated between faithfulness to the God of Jewish monotheism and forays into idolatry. The two are incompatible.
The idea of holding the creator in one’s hands doesn’t stem from Jewish monotheism.
quietthinker
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I have never heard that the early Christians were cannibals but of course I can believe this would be the narrative and the justification by their persecutors and therefore reason to pursue them.
In real terms they were persecuted because of their trust in Jesus as opposed to their trust in the systems set up by men whether that be secular or religious. They paid no respect to the heads of these systems the which was intolerable for their persecutors.
Yes. You also know that the only God I believe in is the God of Jewish monotheism.
While Catholics are trinitarians, my intention with post #176 wasn’t to encourage discussion of the Trinity.
It was because they were known to EAT the body of a person (Jesus).
Agreed.
They rather died than sign a document declaring that only Caeser was god.
quietthinker
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I thought about you when I heard about this story. Satanists have stolen “the actual body of Jesus” and are planning to desecrate it. An archbishop has taken legal action to prevent them from doing it.
Kansas legislators, archbishop take action against satanists and their planned black mass • Oklahoma Voice
A planned satanic black mass at the Kansas capitol has spurred policy changes, allegations of theft and religious debates as state leaders scramble to address First Amendment concerns with blocking satanists from their demonstration. Kansas Gov. Laura Kelly censured the black mass in a statement...
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quietthinker
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The desire of men to control God. Turn him into the physical. Isn't that the fundamental approach of heathenism?
There's a church about 15 minutes south of my town.I thought about you when I heard about this story. Satanists have stolen “the actual body of Jesus” and are planning to desecrate it. An archbishop has taken legal action to prevent them from doing it.
Kansas legislators, archbishop take action against satanists and their planned black mass • Oklahoma Voice
A planned satanic black mass at the Kansas capitol has spurred policy changes, allegations of theft and religious debates as state leaders scramble to address First Amendment concerns with blocking satanists from their demonstration. Kansas Gov. Laura Kelly censured the black mass in a statement...oklahomavoice.com
As you must know...the hosts are kept in the Tabernacle.
They are consecrated.
Some get stolen for satanic rituals...yes, even in Italy.
I was at a bible study with a monk (a small group which has been dissolved since Covid) and I asked the monk why they don't just use regular hosts. He said the difference is noted. I was pretty shocked (and I believe in possession).
So,,,another bullet on my list for reasons to believe in SOME TYPE of transubstantiation?
The aim of a hedonist is to think only about themselves and how to have a good time.
How is turning the host into the Body and Blood of Christ hedonistic when it's JESUS that said to do this?
It has nothing to do with me...
and
nothing that could be considered having a good time by a hedonist is going on?
quietthinker
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The text is misunderstood. It is intended as a metaphor. Jesus clarifies this misunderstanding yet the misunderstanding is insisted on by Catholicism.
Here it is underlined. You might want to refresh your memory from the preceding texts also
John 6:53-65
53Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. 57Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” 59He said this while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.
60On hearing it, many of his disciples said, “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?”
61Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, “Does this offend you?62Then what if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before! 63The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit e and life. 64Yet there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him. 65He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.”
I've been thinking about this for years now.
It seems to me that it has to be more than symbolic.
Honestly, I couldn't really make a case for the transubstantiation...
my mind is still Protestant.
But let me read the following...everything helps.
I'm interested in HOW Jesus clarifies the misunderstanding...
OK
But what does Jesus mean by THE FLESH?
He means OUR flesh,,,not HIs.
He speaks of the manna.
The manna was eaten but it was not the real food.
HE is the real food.
What do you think?
quietthinker
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'The flesh'..he was just referring to is not his literal flesh but rather his reality. It is his grace which sustains us. Another metaphor is 'bread' ie, he is the bread of life.
The only way to find out is go there and see for yourself rather than listen to hatred.My father was a Protestant his mother constantly spewed the hatred on Catholics he was groomed not to be Catholic..So my father went to see what was true and what was not he had to find the truth and he converted to a Catholic after he found out what was true and what was not.He made his own decision.She drove him into the Catholic Church by her lies.If you want the truth you have to search for it yourself not sit there and believe everything your told only a idiot does that.
Find out for yourself investigate make your own choice.
Find out for yourself investigate make your own choice.
I‘ve never been Catholic but I was married in the Catholic Church. I interact with Catholic clergy periodically (the last time was this past Friday). I’m welcome and not welcome in the Catholic Church.
Some of the finest people I’ve ever known were / are Catholic.
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