Bob Estey
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No, I'm just trying to refute the idea that the Bible has the same authority as God.
Looking realistically at ourselves.
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Because He is God makes His words authoritive
And Jesus said the word he had spoken was going to judge a man on the last day.
John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Bob Estey
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You just can't give the Bible the same authority as you give God. God and Jesus are quoted often in the Bible, and they always spoke the truth, but the Bible doesn't hold the same authority as God.
Bob Estey
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God's word is authoritative, having proceeded from Him, from His heart/Spirit. It says in His word that He magnifies His word above all His name. That tells me that His word is His bond and He holds Himself to it....and that He will never disannul or cancel or contradict anything that He has said in His word, nor do anything contrary to it. He is not a man that He should lie.
But scripture says we are to serve in the new way of the Spirit, not in the old way of the letter. Serving in the old way apart from God, His Spirit, is where we may see some putting the dead letter above the person of the living God (ie, worshiping it)......The Lord is alive and His word is alive, and His Spirit needs to be involved, otherwise we will neither understand nor use the word as God intends, but by the flesh. It's like judges are living people and they are needed to interpret the Law and it's intent, as well as to justly apply the Law, taking mitigating factors into account and applying mercy where applicable, or severity when that is applicable, etc. We don't know the explicit will of God and how to understand or apply His word in every situation without His Spirit.
Bob Estey
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Only God has all authority. To give the Bible the same authority as God is to create a second god.
It is true that the Bible quotes Jesus and God many times, and Jesus and God always tell the truth.
Rockerduck
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The Bible is a witness of God's word. The bible is the sword of the spirit.
Ephesians 6:17 - And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God;
Bob Estey
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Rockerduck
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I did not say that. I said what position God's word is to the believer. The sword of the spirit.
Hebrews 4:12 - For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Bob Estey
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I think you're arguing against yourself without realizing it brother. God in Christ who has all authority in heaven and earth has spoken and does speak to us with His authority through His word.
Amen, unfortunately man does get in the way, through the flesh.
I haven't had anything to do with Catholicism since my late teens...when the Lord was drawing me to Him in my late twenties I somehow knew instinctively to avoid the Catholic church.......as you say, there is no life in Catholicism. It became how Revelation describes Mystery Babylon. The Lord gave me to understand unequivocally that the spirit ruling over the Catholic church is not His Spirit. But I fear for the protestant evangelical realm too nowadays. When the Holy Spirit is grieved enough He departs the temple and it is given over to another spirit.
I feel that God's true church is not contained within four walls, it cannot be pointed to, it doesn't have a fixed address and a human Head.....it is in spirit and Christ is the Head of it by His Spirit.
Yes....it sure does look like we're going to be left with only the Church = The Body of Christ.....us.
Those who worship in spirit and in truth.
Those who read without preconceived ideas and are able to learn the simple truth of scripture...
even those parts of it that we may not like.
Jesus said the Holy Spirit would lead us into all truth....but it looks like some are led by their
church leader.
And it just keeps getting worse.
The prayer ceremony for the new Pres. was a horror.
and so it goes...
Bob Estey
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I believe you are still saying that the Bible has the same authority as God, but nothing has the same authority as God.
Bob, the above is not for me, but let me ask you this:
WHERE do you look for YOUR authority?
WHAT has the authority that we are to seek, in your opinion?
I'm saying that your argument is moot. If your boss on another floor of the office building sends you a memo instructing you to do something, doesn't that carry as much weight/authority as if he were standing there in person telling you the same thing?
Bob Estey
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If you are looking for absolute authority, go to the Bible and find direct quotes from God and Jesus.
Remember this: If you are in constant prayer, you learn from God Himself.
Bob Estey
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Sure He has......His memo to us is the written word. We are to read it, know it and heed it as much as if He were standing right in front of us saying those words. That doesn't mean He doesn't also speak to us in other ways, but the written word is kind of the "constitution" and plumbline of the faith and we are to test/measure everything by it.
I agree that we learn from God Himself.
I'll go so far as to say that until the Holy Spirit does not tell us to stop doing something or start doing something...
it will not happen. We must hear from God if we are to obey Him.
But we still need God's written word.
What if we hear that we're supposed to worship on Saturday and we've been worshipping on Sunday and we begin to think that maybe we're doing something wrong?
It may not matter for our salvation...but wouldn't it be nice to know what scripture says?
The early church worked so hard to get us these verses....some are from Jesus Himself and some from those He taught.
Do they have any value?
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