Looking realistically at ourselves.

Brakelite said:

Bob moved the goal posts. He conflated the authority of the word of God with some personal vested authority in Paul personally.

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I think he stated that some persons prefer Paul over Jesus.
I do find this to be true.

I was replying to this statement.
Jesus always comes first.

(although there should be no conflict).

GodsGrace said:

Well, I'll tell you how I learned.
I attended 3 different denominations and they all 3 taught basically the same...
slight differences.

Then I come across really different ideas.
Like OSAS for instance.
Verses are posted but they don't seem to agree with the basis for the NT.
So now what?
Some years ago I decided to study the Early Church Fathers.
These are the men that the Apostles taught...
and then those taught by them.

Much like what you stated in your opening statement/post.

Does this sound like a good method to you?
What do you think of going to only one church all your Christian life and just believing what they tell you?

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I would say eat the meat but be sure to spit out the bones of anything anyone says/writes. We can only do that by knowing the word of God well and testing what we hear/read by that, as well as by discernment, and by always looking to the Lord. But I am not sure we will ever see "perfectly wrapped and tied up with a bow" this side of heaven. The Lord knew beforehand that this would be a messy business.....Jesus said, "Behold I send you out as sheep among wolves.".....part of God's wisdom I believe......it is even one way in which our hearts are tested.... and we can be strengthened as well because God knows we need battles to thrive spiritually, like muscles need exercise. We can learn from our mistakes once the Lord helps us to realize we went off track (as long as we remain pliable soft clay in His hands, teachable and willing to be corrected), and then we are equipped to help others with that same thing. There is an OT verse that speaks to the messiness of stalls when there are cattle in them. It is/was a very good thing to have cattle....just that where there are cattle we will find much manure as well. We shouldn't stop cleaning out stalls and sharpening iron with iron, I believe. And we are told to contend for the FAITH. Minor factual differences I think are not a big issue, but false gospels and beliefs that can lead to destruction/perdition are another matter and shouldn't be overlooked but confronted. Jesus said, "Don't think I came to bring peace but a sword."

Hey You! said:

Grafting ~ by ReverendRV * May 6

Romans 11:24 KJV; For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

I was having a discussion with a group about how Roman Catholics and Evangelicals present the Gospel of Jesus Christ; what’s the difference? One Catholic offered the conclusion of the Council of Orange from A.D. 529 as their view of the Gospel. Since I don’t have the space to reproduce it here, it was similar to the Good News of the Evangelical Gospel. I responded by saying that the Protestants agree with much of what the Councils of the early Church stated; but the differences come up because of the later Councils. A Lutheran spoke up and said that if this is the Roman Catholic Gospel, then they owe an apology to the Reformer Martin Luther for Excommunicating him for believing the Gospel that the Church used to profess.

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Complicated topic here HY.
The early church was a good church...it changed over time and added to what the Early Christians believed.
As to apologizing to Luther....this will never happen.
Why?
Because SOLA FIDE is not a correct doctrine.
Sola fide teaches that ALL we need for salvation is faith.
THIS IS TRUE....for our initial salvation.
But the bible teaches that there has to be an agreement between God and man.
God will not do it all.
Man is requested to follow the teachings of Jesus.
Some call this works or a works salvation.
No.
ONLY faith is needed to join in fellowship with God.
But if we don't obey God, that fellowship will soon end.

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~ This gave me cause to think of our topic verse. It is a symbol of the difference between the people of God, the Jews; and the people of God, the Church. The Horticultural practice of grafting in branches from one tree into another tree is used as a symbol of Gods ‘Favor’ for his people over time. First it was Israel and when they Fell, God favored the Gentiles. ~ But you ask, “What does this have to do with now?”

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The grafted branch become a part of the tree trunk.
It become a part of God.
No matter that it's grafted in...God has only ONE FAMILY...not two.
There is now no difference...no Jew nor Gentile, male or female, etc.

Hey You! said:

Something similar has happened in modern times. The early Church had the Gospel but there came a time another branch was grafted into it by the Religion of men. These Horticulturalists trained the Gospel tree’s shape by twisting it in such a way that this added branch now seemed to be the tree’s trunk, and the true trunk appeared to be the spurious branch. You ask, “Why is this new branch a problem?” Because the branch they added is from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil; and the tree that it was added to is the Tree of Life! The Bible teaches us these two trees were in the Garden of Eden, and that the Tree Adam and Eve ate from first would control their destiny.

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You've changed your discussion.

Hey You! said:

The Tree of Knowledge bore fruit that killed them when they ate it; this Tree is symbolic of the Ten Commandments.

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The tree is not symbolic of the 10 commandments.
Never heard this.
The tree was symbolic of evil...God did not want Adam to know about evil.
He wanted him to remain innocent and obey ONLY GOD and not listen to or obey satan.
Thus why they felt shame after sinning...they were no longer innocent.

Hey You! said:

God intended the Ten Commandments to be used to show people they are Sinners; have you ever Trespassed and picked an apple from someone else’s tree? That’s Stealing, and God punishes Sinners by sending them to a Devil’s Hell. ~ World Religions like Judaism and Catholicism, and Cults like Mormonism and Jehovah’s Witnesses Graft this poisonous branch into the Gospel by saying we are Saved by our good Works. But the Bible says that if we want to be Saved by Works, then Grace is no longer Grace.

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I explained this above.
We should be honest.
I don't speak for all religions...but I know Catholic doctrine and
you're not properly representing it.

Hey You! said:

The remaining good branches of this religious tree stop bearing the fruit of Life; because that good tree is now made bad. ~ Prune things you think you can do to earn your way to Heaven, and make the tree Good…

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The trunk is always the trunk HY.
Your analogy is flawed.

Hey You! said:

The Bible says there is coming a day when Israel will be grafted back into the good Olive Tree, but room for them will need to be made by cutting off the Gentiles; your time is ticking. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is a Tree of Life; here is its fruit! God sent his Unique Son to be born of a Virgin, so that he could be the Sinless sacrifice that Atones for our Iniquity.

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Nothing atones for our iniquity.
We are not to practice INIQUITY.

You mean that Jesus died for our sins.

Hey You! said:

He shed his blood on the Cross for the Remission of Sin, was buried, but conquered death by rising from the grave! By Grace are ye Saved, through Faith in Jesus as your Lord God and Savior; this is not by Works so that no one can boast in themselves. If you can boast, then your tree does indeed have a branch from the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Its fruit is meant to show you naked before God; be ashamed. Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord God and be clothed in his Righteousness…

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OK
So the above is what saves us?
NOT God predestinating those that will be saved from the beginning of time?

Then we agree.

Hey You! said:

Matthew 12:33 NIV; "Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit.

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Correct.

Nancy said:

Much agreed Fran,
I think it takes time to tests the fruit of others over a period of time. If consistent in their behavior long enough, then I'm apt to give them a chance. Other than that, not sure we even can know who has the Truth.

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I think we can know the truth by faith. And sometimes our heart knows something by faith before our minds understand. But even then it isn't an exact science. We learn more and get tweeked and corrected as we grow in the Lord, as long as we are humble and willing to be.

The bible says something a bit mysterious: "If we think we know we do not yet know as we ought." I seem to have found that some of what I thought I knew was like a stepping stone that I had to leave behind, so to speak, in order to gain the next stepping stone. Or at least maybe I should say in God's hands He used it as a stepping stone, turning it around for my good.

Lizbeth said:

I would say eat the meat but be sure to spit out the bones of anything anyone says/writes. We can only do that by knowing the word of God well and testing what we hear/read by that, as well as by discernment, and by always looking to the Lord. But I am not sure we will ever see "perfectly wrapped and tied up with a bow" this side of heaven.

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Agreed. Every denomination has some doctrine that doesn't seem to sit well with scripture.
But I also don't think we could expect perfection on this side....
this is why so many don't "find a church they like" because one that they'll agree with 100%
just doesn't exist.

Lizbeth said:

The Lord knew beforehand that this would be a messy business.....Jesus said, "Behold I send you out as sheep among wolves.".....part of God's wisdom I believe......it is even one way in which our hearts are tested.... and we can be strengthened as well because God knows we need battles to thrive spiritually, like muscles need exercise. We can learn from our mistakes once the Lord helps us to realize we went off track (as long as we remain pliable soft clay in His hands, teachable and willing to be corrected), and then we are equipped to help others with that same thing.

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You're very good at this Lizbeth.
Not all of us are....I'm limited myself although I do try.

Lizbeth said:

There is an OT verse that speaks to the messiness of stalls when there are cattle in them. It is/was a very good thing to have cattle....just that where there are cattle we will find much manure as well. We shouldn't stop cleaning out stalls and sharpening iron with iron, I believe. And we are told to contend for the FAITH. Minor factual differences I think are not a big issue, but false gospels and beliefs that can lead to destruction/perdition are another matter and shouldn't be overlooked but confronted. Jesus said, "Don't think I came to bring peace but a sword."

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Yes. A sword,,,,but meaning believers and unbelievers...not between ourselves.
I believe it's very sad that there are major differences in Christianity....the small nuances we could let go.
But how about baptism.....osas....HOW one gets saved to begin with....
we can't even seem to agree on these important topics.
I've found my solution and am happy with it.
Others will have to find their own.

GodsGrace said:

Complicated topic here HY.
The early church was a good church...it changed over time and added to what the Early Christians believed.
As to apologizing to Luther....this will never happen.
Why?
Because SOLA FIDE is not a correct doctrine.
Sola fide teaches that ALL we need for salvation is faith.
THIS IS TRUE....for our initial salvation.
But the bible teaches that there has to be an agreement between God and man.
God will not do it all.
Man is requested to follow the teachings of Jesus.
Some call this works or a works salvation.
No.
ONLY faith is needed to join in fellowship with God.
But if we don't obey God, that fellowship will soon end.



The grafted branch become a part of the tree trunk.
It become a part of God.
No matter that it's grafted in...God has only ONE FAMILY...not two.
There is now no difference...no Jew nor Gentile, male or female, etc.



You've changed your discussion.

The tree is not symbolic of the 10 commandments.
Never heard this.
The tree was symbolic of evil...God did not want Adam to know about evil.
He wanted him to remain innocent and obey ONLY GOD and not listen to or obey satan.
Thus why they felt shame after sinning...they were no longer innocent.

I explained this above.
We should be honest.
I don't speak for all religions...but I know Catholic doctrine and
you're not properly representing it.


The trunk is always the trunk HY.
Your analogy is flawed.

Nothing atones for our iniquity.
We are not to practice INIQUITY.

You mean that Jesus died for our sins.


OK
So the above is what saves us?
NOT God predestinating those that will be saved from the beginning of time?

Then we agree.

Correct.

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It's at times like this, I'm reminded that people are not going to agree with me all the time. I say in my Forward that my Gospel Tracts for the most part should represent Baptist Teachings; IE main stream Christianity. This means I expect them to hit home with most people. Online Christians usually take more issue with them, because they are so Sectarian. When Christians don't know I favor Universal Atonement and Calvinism, they can read Tracts and really like them. You used to like them more..

GodsGrace said:

Agreed. Every denomination has some doctrine that doesn't seem to sit well with scripture.
But I also don't think we could expect perfection on this side....
this is why so many don't "find a church they like" because one that they'll agree with 100%
just doesn't exist.


You're very good at this Lizbeth.
Not all of us are....I'm limited myself although I do try.

Yes. A sword,,,,but meaning believers and unbelievers...not between ourselves.
I believe it's very sad that there are major differences in Christianity....the small nuances we could let go.
But how about baptism.....osas....HOW one gets saved to begin with....
we can't even seem to agree on these important topics.
I've found my solution and am happy with it.
Others will have to find their own.

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Just one thing....Jesus said our enemies would be those of our own household.......household of faith...? He was talking to His people at the time, the Jews/Israel. But I believe it also means between believers and unbelievers too.

Bless you sister, I enjoy a lot of your posts, what I can keep up with. I'm not at all studied on "early church fathers" or other groups that call themselves Christian, so can't speak to a lot of that, but am trying to learn a bit from what others say about them. I was raised Catholic and then became agnostic for a time until the Lord got a hold of me in spring of 1986. I think problems crept into the church very early on, after Paul departed.....because he foretold that wolves would come in not sparing the flock after he died. This speaks to the flesh, ambitions of man, hunger for power, fame, money, and carnal understandings, etc, all of which distorts and taints what is being preached/taught........and has to do with the mystery of iniquity I believe. The leaven just keeps growing until by the end it blows up....apostasy and God's wrath/judgment on it.

Verily said:

You have evaded the question three times, for the book to have attained to the level of God, the book would have to be "prayed to" or "sung to" and you have failed to show what you cant even show us lol!

The closest thing to treating God's written words with contempt is below when the words of the LORD here are being written by a scribe at the mouth of Jeremiah the prophet and of those that heard what was written and what was done to the writing (and how it says they were not afraid in doing this)

Jerm 36:11 When Michaiah the son of Gemariah, the son of Shaphan, had heard out of the book all the words of the LORD,

Jerm 36:13 Then Michaiah declared unto them all the words that he had heard, when Baruch read the book in the ears of the people.

Jerm 36:15 And they said unto him, Sit down now, and read it in our ears.

So Baruch read it in their ears.

Jerm 36:17 And they asked Baruch, saying, Tell us now, How didst thou write all these words at his mouth?

Jerm 36:18 Then Baruch answered them, He pronounced all these words unto me with his mouth, and I wrote them with ink in the book.

Jehudi read it also in the ears of the king, and in the ears of all the princes which stood beside the king.

Jerm 36:22 Now the king sat in the winterhouse in the ninth month: and there was a fire on the hearth burning before him.

Jerm 36:25 And it came to pass, that when Jehudi had read three or four leaves, he cut it with the penknife, and cast it into the fire that was on the hearth, until all the roll was consumed in the fire that was on the hearth.

Jerm 36:24 Yet they were not afraid, nor rent their garments, neither the king, nor any of his servants that heard all these words.

God spake by the prophets, so after this

Jerm 36:27 Then the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah, after that the king had burned the roll, and the words which Baruch wrote at the mouth of Jeremiah, saying,

Jerm 36:28 Take thee again another roll, and write in it all the former words that were in the first roll, which Jehoiakim the king of Judah hath burned.

Jerm 36:32 Then took Jeremiah another roll, and gave it to Baruch the scribe, the son of Neriah; who wrote therein from the mouth of Jeremiah all the words of the book which Jehoiakim king of Judah had burned in the fire: and there were added besides unto them many like words.

Jerm 37:2 But neither he, nor his servants, nor the people of the land, did hearken unto the words of the LORD, which he spake by the prophet Jeremiah.

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds

And speaking of Jesus Christ God says,

Deut 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

As Jesus confirms the same concerning the word he had spoken

John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

For God has spoken to us by His Son as God did by the former prophets

John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

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I have evaded the question because your posts are long. I am 72 years old. I don't have time to read long posts.

GodsGrace said:

This statement is correct and someone on this very thread has stated the same.
I replied up above.
It's very silly to make such statements ---- to say the least.

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Yes, I think the belief that Paul and Jesus were equal is errant.

ElieG12 said:

In the first century, Christians who learned directly from Jesus had to teach the same things they received. Those who learned from them, in turn, had to teach based on those same early teachings. Those were the received truths that had to be preached before the end.

When those truths were no longer the same because people began to speculate and philosophize on their own, trying to become teachers themselves instead of reviewing what they had already received, the church became corrupted. Religious arguments, sects, divisions, lies disguised as truth, struggles for power, etc. arose.

Jesus Christ said that he who does not gather with Him, scatters (Luke 11:23).

Have you ever wondered if spreading your own speculations, interpreting the Bible in your own particular and unique way, is actually scattering?

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It "seems" as per my experiences in attending varying "assemblages of believers" over the course of some 40+ years?
That each of these "assemblages" has and holds to a "certain" (how can I say) cherry picking/buffet style appeasement of man pleasing traditions/precepts of men in their justification of existence in relationship to their geographical area! This especially holds true in certain social as well as financial "strata's" of not only this particular country! Globally speaking? ANY non-Judeo practitioners holding to a/the interpretings from (a) tribal eldership! Whether it be quran or the Talmud, or the Holy Bible!

And Jesus' words holds true, to and through in ALL these practices! "Traditions of men make void!!" PERIOD!! (drop mic)

Lizbeth said:

Just one thing....Jesus said our enemies would be those of our own household.......household of faith...? He was talking to His people at the time, the Jews/Israel. But I believe it also means between believers and unbelievers too.

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I do believe that in that instance Jesus meant that actual households would be split up between believers and unbelievers.
Can a house of faith be split up?
Yes!
How many churches have a splinter group that didn't like something that was being taught (or they believed it was wrong) so they left the
church and began their own. I was privy to this actually happening to a church on Long Island (NY) where the new group called themselves The Upper Room. So, yes, it could happen and I'm sure it happens a lot and thus all these denominations.

I've often said that the Reformation was necessary....
But I'm very sad that it was NECESSARY.

Lizbeth said:

Bless you sister, I enjoy a lot of your posts, what I can keep up with. I'm not at all studied on "early church fathers" or other groups that call themselves Christian, so can't speak to a lot of that, but am trying to learn a bit from what others say about them. I was raised Catholic and then became agnostic for a time until the Lord got a hold of me in spring of 1986.

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So good to have you back.
I was also Catholic but did have a born again experience in the early, maybe mid, seventies and had to leave that church because it was totally dead at the time. It's trying to change. I'm attending a CC right now due to where I live, but I cannot define myself as Catholic.

Lizbeth said:

I think problems crept into the church very early on, after Paul departed.....because he foretold that wolves would come in not sparing the flock after he died. This speaks to the flesh, ambitions of man, hunger for power, fame, money, and carnal understandings, etc, all of which distorts and taints what is being preached/taught........

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Correct. The early church was flooded with heretical beliefs.
I do believe that we can thank the Catholic Church for keeping these heresies out of the church.
I'm talking about the 1st and 2nd centuries. Into the 3rd I guess.
I do believe the CC can trace its roots back to Peter...it just seems like plain history to me.
And I agree with the rest of your statement.
Man seems to get in the way of spirituality.

If you're at all interested in the Early Church Father's you could look into it using YouTube.
I'll send you a link but I'd have to look for it.

Lizbeth said:

and has to do with the mystery of iniquity I believe. The leaven just keeps growing until by the end it blows up....apostasy and God's wrath/judgment on it.

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It's at times like this, I'm reminded that people are not going to agree with me all the time. I say in my Forward that my Gospel Tracts for the most part should represent Baptist Teachings; IE main stream Christianity. This means I expect them to hit home with most people. Online Christians usually take more issue with them, because they are so Sectarian. When Christians don't know I favor Universal Atonement and Calvinism, they can read Tracts and really like them. You used to like them more..

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I like them the same.
It's just that some of them sound mainstream.
Calvinism is not mainstream and I don't agree with it at all.

So sometimes it seems to creep in and sometimes I'm not sure what
you're saying.

I just try to be honest with my posts and I try not to attack anyone...
Hope it doesn't come off that way!

And you say that Baptist teachings are mainstream...
It depends what TYPE of Baptist...so many different kinds.

Verily said:

You have evaded the question three times, for the book to have attained to the level of God, the book would have to be "prayed to" or "sung to" and you have failed to show what you cant even show us lol!

The closest thing to treating God's written words with contempt is below when the words of the LORD here are being written by a scribe at the mouth of Jeremiah the prophet and of those that heard what was written and what was done to the writing (and how it says they were not afraid in doing this)

Jerm 36:11 When Michaiah the son of Gemariah, the son of Shaphan, had heard out of the book all the words of the LORD,

Jerm 36:13 Then Michaiah declared unto them all the words that he had heard, when Baruch read the book in the ears of the people.

Jerm 36:15 And they said unto him, Sit down now, and read it in our ears.

So Baruch read it in their ears.

Jerm 36:17 And they asked Baruch, saying, Tell us now, How didst thou write all these words at his mouth?

Jerm 36:18 Then Baruch answered them, He pronounced all these words unto me with his mouth, and I wrote them with ink in the book.

Jehudi read it also in the ears of the king, and in the ears of all the princes which stood beside the king.

Jerm 36:22 Now the king sat in the winterhouse in the ninth month: and there was a fire on the hearth burning before him.

Jerm 36:25 And it came to pass, that when Jehudi had read three or four leaves, he cut it with the penknife, and cast it into the fire that was on the hearth, until all the roll was consumed in the fire that was on the hearth.

Jerm 36:24 Yet they were not afraid, nor rent their garments, neither the king, nor any of his servants that heard all these words.

God spake by the prophets, so after this

Jerm 36:27 Then the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah, after that the king had burned the roll, and the words which Baruch wrote at the mouth of Jeremiah, saying,

Jerm 36:28 Take thee again another roll, and write in it all the former words that were in the first roll, which Jehoiakim the king of Judah hath burned.

Jerm 36:32 Then took Jeremiah another roll, and gave it to Baruch the scribe, the son of Neriah; who wrote therein from the mouth of Jeremiah all the words of the book which Jehoiakim king of Judah had burned in the fire: and there were added besides unto them many like words.

Jerm 37:2 But neither he, nor his servants, nor the people of the land, did hearken unto the words of the LORD, which he spake by the prophet Jeremiah.

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds

And speaking of Jesus Christ God says,

Deut 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

As Jesus confirms the same concerning the word he had spoken

John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

For God has spoken to us by His Son as God did by the former prophets

John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

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If you have a question you want answered, ask it concisely, one question at a time.

Bob Estey said:

If you have a question you want answered, ask it concisely, one question at a time.

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You have been evading the same question from the first.

Who are these people who believe the bible (a book) is God and pray and sing to a book?

Verily said:

You have been evading the same question from the first.

Who are these people who believe the bible (a book) is God and pray and sing to a book?

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I never said anyone prays and sings to the book. But they give the Bible the same authority as they give God, and no one or thing has the same authority as God.

Bob Estey said:

I never said anyone prays and sings to the book. But they give the Bible the same authority as they give God, and no one or thing has the same authority as God.

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That is "sort of" because if a General of an Army says something you obey the word of a General.

If your own kids said screw off when you told them to clean their room and you came back with words like, your words are not as authoritative as you, thats just retarded.

Verily said:

That is "sort of" because if a General of an Army says something you obey the word of a General.

If your own kids said screw off when you told them to clean their room and you came back with words like, your words are not as authoritative as you, thats just retarded.

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You cannot put Paul on the same level as Jesus. When did Jesus say, "Obey Paul"?

Bob Estey said:

You cannot put Paul on the same level as Jesus. When did Jesus say, "Obey Paul"?

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You keep subject from worshiping a book to putting Paul on the same level of Jesus

I believe Jesus said,

Mat 10:40 He that receiveth you receiveth me,
and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Similarly, he sent Paul

Gal 4:14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected;
but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.

Verily said:

You keep subject from worshiping a book to putting Paul on the same level of Jesus

I believe Jesus said,

Mat 10:40 He that receiveth you receiveth me,
and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Similarly, he sent Paul

Gal 4:14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected;
but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.

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You, I believe, are trying to give the Bible the same authority as God. Nothing has the same authority as God.

Bob Estey said:

You, I believe, are trying to give the Bible the same authority as God. Nothing has the same authority as God.

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You, I believe are a troll trolling.

Would you feel free to add to these words here since you don't believe these words hold as much authority in them as the one who speaks them?

Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

God has greater authority than the words he has just spoken right?

Could he just be lying about such a ones fate in His words? I mean sure you could always be dumb enough to test your own fate and hope that He will simply say, "Nah, I was just kidding with you".... Haha My words really hold no water on anything (just Me).