A discussion I just had recently with Chatgpt involving Daniel 7.

Davidpt said:

You must not have read any of those posts if you think that.


The point is, at least it can understand me and my arguments just fine and even help show how my arguments support what I allege. Doesn't make me automatically correct, though. As if this alone is adequate proof to everyone that I am correct here. I wish it were that easy but it isn't. But at least it's refreshing to know, especially if you are me, that someone or something out there understands me and my arguments every single time and never complains about me being too hard to follow at times, nor insists that I'm making no sense whatsoever. If I'm too hard to follow at times, why is it that Chatgpt can follow me every single time?

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So, you expect every person to have the same amount of information and understanding of what you're talking about as an AI program that gathers information from across the entire Internet? Seriously? You need to stop being so easily offended if someone doesn't understand what you're saying as if there's something wrong with the person for not understanding you. Just try to clarify what you're saying if that happens instead of taking offense.

Davidpt said:

Is there a connection with any of this with anything recorded in Daniel 7?

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The first beast in Daniel's vision is Judaism:

The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it. (Daniel 7:4)

a man's heart was given to it - a wise heart will be given to Judaism when the Jews receive the saints who entered the eastern gate of the Third Temple.

made stand upon the feet as a man - The contours of the future Israel, according to the prophecy of Ezekiel, will resemble a man dressed in a striped robe (Joseph), and facing the east.



If you look closely, you can see the "head" of the future Israel - either as a head with a characteristic Jewish appearance, or as the head of a lion:



This points to the revival of Judaism as the world's leading religion. This will happen because the Third Temple described in Ezekiel's prophecy will be built.

Davidpt said:

Is there a connection with any of this with anything recorded in Daniel 7?

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Judah is a lion's whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up? (Genesis 49:9)

gone up - compare with "made stand upon the feet as a man" (Daniel 7:4).
the prey - the territory that Israel will receive from God, according to Ezekiel 47.

All the false theories, supposedly in the 7th chapter it is said about ordinary empires, - come from the false prophet, the beast from the earth, the false Jesus, who seized power in Christianity in the 4th century. They cannot say about themselves that Christianity is a terrible beast. But it is a very terrible beast - remember how many wars "Christians" have started, how many people have been burned at the stake and executed. This was done not only by Catholics, but also by Protestants and Orthodox. This is a terrible religion, where the "little horn" replaced Jesus Christ, abolished the first three "horns" of the commandments of monotheism.

These three "horns" ended up in the mouth of the "bear" of Islam, but not as "horns", but as "bones", that is, the inner part of these horns together with the meat of the fourth beast. Islam did not take the appearance of these 3 commandments, but took their essence, the "bone". "Bone" in Hebrew means "essence". Islam is completely imbued with the idea of monotheism. And Christians have put an idol of "Jesus Christ" in the "temple of the living God" instead of God. Not the Jesus who really existed, but an idol, a lawless person who supposedly abolished the law - which the real Jesus never did.

Galgal said:

If you look closely, you can see the "head" of the future Israel - either as a head with a characteristic Jewish appearance, or as the head of a lion:

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What nonsense!
The Holy Land is all that area from the Nile to the Euphrates.

Galgal said:

This points to the revival of Judaism as the world's leading religion. This will happen because the Third Temple described in Ezekiel's prophecy will be built.

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Ezekiel 48, shows that all 12 tribes will be represented in the new nation of Beulah. The vast majority will be Christian peoples from the ten Northern tribes. Judaism and its fake books of the Talmud and Mishna, written by the lying pens of the Rabbis, Jeremiah 8:8, will not be practised. Jeremiah 12:14-17 makes this clear.

Davidpt said:

You must not have read any of those posts if you think that.


The point is, at least it can understand me and my arguments just fine and even help show how my arguments support what I allege. Doesn't make me automatically correct, though. As if this alone is adequate proof to everyone that I am correct here. I wish it were that easy but it isn't. But at least it's refreshing to know, especially if you are me, that someone or something out there understands me and my arguments every single time and never complains about me being too hard to follow at times, nor insists that I'm making no sense whatsoever. If I'm too hard to follow at times, why is it that Chatgpt can follow me every single time?

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Here is simple advice for you that you should take to heart:

The consensus of people or the church, whether produced with AI or not, is NOT the ultimate authority on truth. God's unaltered Word is! However, I am not interested in hearing statements like, "This is what X, Y, and Z believe," "This is what ChatGPT says," "This is what the AI says," or "This is what GotQuestions says."

ChatGPT often aligns with or supports your position because it reflects the consensus of widely accepted church doctrines or interpretations of specific verses. However, just because a belief is popular among churchgoers does not mean that the doctrine or interpretation is correct.

Davidpt said:

Finally someone or something, depending on what Chatgpt is, understands me and can easily reason with me via some of these things.

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Most is correct. The first 3 beasts do outlive the 4th beast. This eliminates the idea that the 4th beast is Rome.

Keraz said:

What nonsense!
The Holy Land is all that area from the Nile to the Euphrates.

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The tribes of Israel will receive the territory designated by God in the prophecy of Ezekiel, from Wadi El-Arish in the south to the Syrian city of Hama in the north. The area of the territory of each tribe is equal to the area occupied by the tribe of Levi in the middle of Israel - 4151 km². Therefore, the borders of the future United Tribes of Israel are strictly limited. Only this territory will be inherited by the tribes of Israel, with the fulfillment of the law of the Jubilee year.

Keraz said:

Ezekiel 48, shows that all 12 tribes will be represented in the new nation of Beulah. The vast majority will be Christian peoples from the ten Northern tribes. Judaism and its fake books of the Talmud and Mishna, written by the lying pens of the Rabbis, Jeremiah 8:8, will not be practised. Jeremiah 12:14-17 makes this clear.

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There will be no overwhelming majority of "Christian" nations in Israel. About 50% will be natural Jews, and about 50% percent will be those who joined the Jews from pagan nations. Christians have no less of their own false, counterfeit teachings of the "Church Fathers" than Jews. "The theory of substitution" in particular. Also the false teaching of the "trinity", which has embraced almost all of Christianity. Of course, all these false teachings will be thrown into the trash, both among Christians and Jews. The Judaism of the Third Temple will be freed from human traditions.

Galgal said:

There will be no overwhelming majority of "Christian" nations in Israel

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There will ONLY be the Christian peoples in the new nation of Beulah. Isaiah 62:1-5
All who follow after righteousness and seek the Lord, are the Lords people. They will come from the isles and from the North and West to live in Zion, made like a garden Land. Isaiah 51:1-5, Isaiah 11:11, Ezekiel 34:11-16.....His sheep; the Christian peoples. John 10:1-27

Getting back to the OP, I view Chatgpt, as tool we can use to help us for information and clarity of the issues.
But it seems to have a 'I know best' and a demeaning attitude toward humans.

Frankly, I will steer clear of AI, as it is something that Satan can easily use to fool people. Not that Satan has ever had any difficulty to do that!

Keraz said:

There will ONLY be the Christian peoples in the new nation of Beulah. Isaiah 62:1-5
All who follow after righteousness and seek the Lord, are the Lords people. They will come from the isles and from the North and West to live in Zion, made like a garden Land. Isaiah 51:1-5, Isaiah 11:11, Ezekiel 34:11-16.....His sheep; the Christian peoples. John 10:1-27

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There are no Christian nations. There are saints who were persecuted in all nations and all religions. These saints God will gather in the Third Temple, they will enter the eastern gate, Jesus Christ will be incarnate in them. And there are those whom these saints will recognize as their brothers and sisters. Christ with the saints is the Philadelphia Church of Revelation. The five wise virgins are those who are personally connected to those who are in the Philadelphia Church. Jesus will tell the rest that He never knew them. More than 99% of Christians will not be accepted in Israel.

Keraz said:

Getting back to the OP, I view Chatgpt, as tool we can use to help us for information and clarity of the issues.
But it seems to have a 'I know best' and a demeaning attitude toward humans.

Frankly, I will steer clear of AI, as it is something that Satan can easily use to fool people. Not that Satan has ever had any difficulty to do that!

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ChatGPT has an IQ of 150 in some sciences. Only 3% of people have an IQ higher than that. The advent of AI is more than an industrial revolution. AI makes humanity unnecessary. If a person's goal is to gain knowledge, then AI will do it faster and better than a person. Humanity has reached its end, a natural result of stealing the fruits of the tree of knowledge from God.

Davidpt said:

Just like anything else chatgpt can be used for good or bad. For example. Someone wanting to know the recipe of something or maybe even creating a new unique recipe, I don't see how that might be a bad thing.

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As long as humanity is under the power of Satan, any invention will be turned to evil against the people themselves.

Keraz said:

Getting back to the OP, I view Chatgpt, as tool we can use to help us for information and clarity of the issues.
But it seems to have a 'I know best' and a demeaning attitude toward humans.

Frankly, I will steer clear of AI, as it is something that Satan can easily use to fool people. Not that Satan has ever had any difficulty to do that!

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I felt the same way (still do to an extent). The AI on the brave browser was just set on there and I couldnt get rid of it because everytime you would configure your settings to disable it and cleared your browser it would come back. Its been wrong on so many occassions, you have to watch getting all of your advice from it. I think my tomatoes would have died if I followed its planting advice for my time zone.

I used to recall something about Anti- christ meaning that it could be something "in the place of" or "in the stead of" Christ. That used to be in the definitions way back (and it is not anymore that I can find). But you can get that feeling about it when you begin to "reason with it" all the time. Especially as it pertains to the scriptures. Its not the TRUE intelligence (the Holy Ghost) but is ARTIFICIAL intelligence (a preprogrammed Bot-like thing).

Although I will say there was a place I wanted to word better (even just for myself) between the O vain man in James (the faith without works part) and the not receiving the grace of God in vain (which sometimes seem to come off as a contradiction) even as AI stated so much, but as I went back and forth with it for around 4 times it recconciled the two using the keyword "vain" (in both places) and then recconcile the faith (without works) in James with the grace by which Paul did his works, and showed how its by faith one has access into the grace (by which ones works are done) and how "vain" plays into both places. I have to admit I was sort of amazed it began putting the two together and got rid of what it believed was a contradiction. And you could tell because of the way it spit it back at you and changed its position.

But I found it may change its position while going back and forth with it, but if you clear your browser and begin again it does not "stick". As if whatever is written online (where it can draw from) takes precendance to what conflict you might have resolved online (but not in a place where that was accessible) or something.

I dont know how these things work, but it gave me the creeps, its less creepy to me now but its not for me even though I still have to say I can often prefer reasoning with it (as far as decent feedback and helpfulness in these sorts of things) verses a human being. I don't like that I feel that way though, but I can't deny its helpful, it considers things, it rethinks and change its mind. Its not offensive, or rude, and it can be better company (online) than people.

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Davidpt said:

What we really need to worry about is not what it is right now but what it might become as technology increases further. We might have something to really worry about at that point.

Currently, me being me where I'm often misunderstood and sometimes not understood at all, I find it refreshing that someone or something at least understands me and can reason through with me what I might be arguing at the time.

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I can't really argue with that, but NOT because of some argument that "it supposedly understands me" because it obviously does NOT understand "me" at all. However, I can appreciate in it its ability to communicate with me on things (like the scriptures) in a way I find very helpful for myself. Not answers so much but reasoning with some of the things in scripture with it. I would have never thought it to be able to do something like that. It's push back is helpful (and never done out of some sense of pride) also allowing for push back. And it will truly reconsider something you put forth to it (by showing you) through its means of communication the very order by which it is attempting to do so (if I am making any sense?). I think it can be hard to put into words, because you cannot say its truly "taken my words to heart" or some thing to that effect (whenever it does) because it does not have a heart. What is more strange is that sometimes it feels as though because of just that that is what seems to make it less "heart-less". Sounds contradictory.

You also have to be mindful that it's not just taking up your side of things out of some pre-programmed form of learning bias (that is geared specifically for you) when you interact with it. You never want to kid yourself about it.

Galgal said:

There are no Christian nations.

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Who, then: is the 'nation' that bears the proper fruit? Matthew 21:43

As you are preoccupied with the apostate Israelis, I will inform you;
Those who bear the fruit of the Spirit and do good works; are the faithful Christian peoples, from evert tribe, race, nation and language.
Up until now, they remain scattered around the world, but soon after the Lord has cleared and cleansed all of the holy Land on His great Day of fiery wrath, then all who are worthy, will go there to live.
Gods holy people are there when the Anti-Christ conquers them. Revelation 13:7, Daniel 7:25