Knowing the Day and the Hour of the Lord's Coming

Fred J · Jan 26, 2025

ScottA said:
You have and know much of the scriptures, but have not told it accurately, as it was to be "restrained until He who restrains is taken out of the way." Which is what I have been speaking of, which was not known, but "sealed" until now. This too is written--perhaps you know this too. In which case, why have you not expected it, but beat the same drum of those who for so long claimed heresy for lack of understanding?

You're just going around the mulberry bush, and have not 'pointed out' from my posts.

Which of my testament posted is the same drum as heresies and lack of understanding church beat.

So let's get real and you point them out!

ScottA said:
Apparently, you also did not know that those who believed the "lie" Paul said would come, are also the "scoffers" foretold by Peter. Or you would not now be scoffing so.

'Mockers' and 'scoffers', and the 'doctrine of demons' will begin vastly in the last days.

During the falling away of the churches and from their faith to seducing spirits, even before the anti-Christ appears.

For we already know during the time of the Apostles there was already present the 'spirit of anti-Christ'.

Apparently, the 'spirit of anti-Christ', tend to 'speak' 'against' and 'hostile' to every thing of Christ since.

GOD sends the 'strong delusion' to the unrepented people of this world who already 'loved' and 'in' darkness.

Anti-Christ will come to give furthermore assurance, aggravate and enhance 'darkness', even by the 'false prophet' performing 'lying' signs and wonders.

It is not about 'lie' that caused the 'strong delusion' according to your 'false testament' earlier.

But rather GOD gave them up and sends the 'strong delusion' on them to totally believe in further 'lies' and be complete in 'darkness'.

Never again they will be able to 'see' the 'Light' of the Gospel, repent, be saved and inherit everlasting life.

Since while before when the 'anti-Christ' was 'held back', they had all the chance and were able, but 'heart hardened' to GOD's voice.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

ScottA · Jan 27, 2025

Fred J said:
Which of my testament posted is the same drum as heresies and lack of understanding church beat.

So let's get real and you point them out!

I have already addressed them as we went along.

But mainly your agreeing and looking for Jesus only to return in the future, after He said He was coming "soon", referring to all that "must shortly come to pass", then stating in present tense "Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me." All of which was the "lie" foretold by Paul, brought about by "false teachers" foretold by Peter, "already at work" according to John.

And now I am repeat myself and them, again.

ScottA · Jan 27, 2025

Fred J said:
'Mockers' and 'scoffers', and the 'doctrine of demons' will begin vastly in the last days.

During the falling away of the churches and from their faith to seducing spirits, even before the anti-Christ appears.

For we already know during the time of the Apostles there was already present the 'spirit of anti-Christ'.

Apparently, the 'spirit of anti-Christ', tend to 'speak' 'against' and 'hostile' to every thing of Christ since.

GOD sends the 'strong delusion' to the unrepented people of this world who already 'loved' and 'in' darkness.

Anti-Christ will come to give furthermore assurance, aggravate and enhance 'darkness', even by the 'false prophet' performing 'lying' signs and wonders.

It is not about 'lie' that caused the 'strong delusion' according to your 'false testament' earlier.

But rather GOD gave them up and sends the 'strong delusion' on them to totally believe in further 'lies' and be complete in 'darkness'.

Never again they will be able to 'see' the 'Light' of the Gospel, repent, be saved and inherit everlasting life.

Since while before when the 'anti-Christ' was 'held back', they had all the chance and were able, but 'heart hardened' to GOD's voice.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

This is not a discussion. The last days were confirm by Peter as beginning during the times of the apostles. What you are missing is the timing. That was the "lie."

Jay Ross · Jan 27, 2025

ScottA said:
This is not a discussion. The last days were confirm by Peter as beginning during the times of the apostles. What you are missing is the timing. That was the "lie."

Yes, Jesus told us that the last days would have a duration of no more than three days of the Lord from His first Advent. I believe that John recorded Christ's words in John 2 for those who have eyes to see.

Truth7t7 · Jan 27, 2025

ScottA said:
That day and hour--although many do not recognize or acknowledge it as such--is the day and hour in which the Lord comes knocking and we open to Him (Revelation 3:20). At such a time we are born again of the spirit of God, as that is the time of His spirit coming into us. Such is the culmination of all scripture and the works of God toward our salvation. In that moment one is changed, having passed from death to life, never to be the same, as a new creation.

Much confusion however, has come from the fact that we who are alive and spiritually anew within, remain within our old physical self until the Lord is through with our physical body which then carries the good news and testimony of Christ within. Paul referred to this, saying "we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord" (1 Thessalonians 4:14). Which does not mean that He has not yet come unto those alive and remaining, but rather that He has not yet come to all--to whom we who are alive and remain then aid in His coming to those to whom He comes after us. Which we do by the word of our testimony (Revelation 12:11).

As for those who do not recognize or acknowledge these things as such, many are the victims of foretold false teachers who have hindered those who were entering in. All of which was to continue until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled. These are those times.

As for those who are not sure whether they are born again of the spirit of God (which is the spirit of Christ entering into them), you can know by the notable change within you. There are things we once loved, we no longer love, but come to hate. Even so, our old self may still love those things we have inwardly come to hate. This is that struggle that Paul confessed, saying "For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice" (Romans 7:19). It is for this reason that we are counselled to "endure to the end" (Matthew 24:13).

The day and hour no man knows is the last day, the second coming of Jesus Christ

Fred J · Jan 27, 2025

ScottA said:
then stating in present tense "Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me."

Is this saying of Jesus a 'lie', brought by 'false teachers'?

ScottA said:
All of which was the "lie" foretold by Paul, brought about by "false teachers" foretold by Peter, "already at work" according to John.

Fred J · Jan 27, 2025

ScottA said:
This is not a discussion. The last days were confirm by Peter as beginning during the times of the apostles. What you are missing is the timing. That was the "lie."

The 'last days', you say confirm by Peter is not the last days at all.

For there are 'many last days' doctrine given to the church, ones to have witnessed scripturally by faith.

And ones through out the church generation, to watch as 'signs' of their time and to come.

Even in Hebrews it says, "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by HIS Son, ............................................."

Meaning when after John the Baptist, Christ ministered the Gospel to the Jews first in Israel, it was already the 'last days'.

When Jesus ministered to His disciple that no one know the day and hour, and likewise He's coming soon.

From the Apostles to the church established by them, they were already ministering that Jesus is coming soon.

Therefore as for the Apostles and the church, everyday of their lives is the 'last days' and He's 'coming soon'.

Even to the churches of today, since He have not come and the rapture has not taken place.

But to you on the other hand, according to Revelation 3:20, He's already come then itself?

Therefore what's foretold by Paul are 'lies' to bring 'strong delusion' on the church and unbelievers?

i believe many who are here replying to you are 'perplexed' with your testimony.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

Ronald Nolette · Jan 27, 2025

ScottA said:
No. I will not be lead down a path leading to what you seem to consider erroneous.

And you seem terrified to answer a simple question that you know what it is asking.

ScottA · Jan 27, 2025

Jay Ross said:
Yes, Jesus told us that the last days would have a duration of no more than three days of the Lord from His first Advent. I believe that John recorded Christ's words in John 2 for those who have eyes to see.

Yes,

Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up” (John 2:19).

But there are other passages also that fill in the details and qualify the greater context and meaning (in addition to Jesus rising from the tomb, which is the more immediate fulfillment and most common interpretation of the verse):

All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world (Revelation 13:8).

And He said to them, “Go, tell that fox, ‘Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I shall be perfected' (Luke 13:32).

ScottA · Jan 27, 2025

Truth7t7 said:
The day and hour no man knows is the last day, the second coming of Jesus Christ

True...only it is not the time that most believe.

In other words, Jesus comes again in the glory of the Father beginning "soon" after He went to the Father. Which is to say, His second coming is spiritual, as He described, saying, "Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me." Which, again, is His coming "in the glory of His Father"(whom is spirit)--as He also said (Matthew 16:27).

ScottA · Jan 27, 2025

Fred J said:
Is this saying of Jesus a 'lie', brought by 'false teachers'?

No--and don't be silly. The scriptures are not a lie, but do tell of a lie. Do you not know of this?

ScottA · Jan 27, 2025

Fred J said:
The 'last days', you say confirm by Peter is not the last days at all.

For there are 'many last days' doctrine given to the church, ones to have witnessed scripturally by faith.

And ones through out the church generation, to watch as 'signs' of their time and to come.

Even in Hebrews it says, "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by HIS Son, ............................................."

Meaning when after John the Baptist, Christ ministered the Gospel to the Jews first in Israel, it was already the 'last days'.

When Jesus ministered to His disciple that no one know the day and hour, and likewise He's coming soon.

From the Apostles to the church established by them, they were already ministering that Jesus is coming soon.

Therefore as for the Apostles and the church, everyday of their lives is the 'last days' and He's 'coming soon'.

Even to the churches of today, since He have not come and the rapture has not taken place.

But to you on the other hand, according to Revelation 3:20, He's already come then itself?

Therefore what's foretold by Paul are 'lies' to bring 'strong delusion' on the church and unbelievers?

i believe many who are here replying to you are 'perplexed' with your testimony.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

You have listed many issues, and I suspect it is because of the language difference. But the perplexity of many here is due to the lie that has been taught now for 2,000 years--as the scriptures say. That is my testimony--just what the scriptures say.

As for many "last days" spoken of in scripture, yes, it is a theme, and by that theme being repeated, they are all connected to one great truth from God. Which the scriptures declare, and I too declare it: as beginning during the times of the apostles and continuing to this present day.

As for your statement about the rapture and His not coming yet: That is part of the lie which Paul warned of. To the contrary, the rapture experience is mostly unknowingly realized when it occurs upon being born again of the spirit of God--which is the Lords return, but the lie has caused most to not believe it.

Jay Ross · Jan 27, 2025

ScottA said:
Yes,

Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up” (John 2:19).

But there are other passages also that fill in the details and qualify the greater context and meaning (in addition to Jesus rising from the tomb, which is the more immediate fulfillment and most common interpretation of the verse):

All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world (Revelation 13:8).

And He said to them, “Go, tell that fox, ‘Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I shall be perfected' (Luke 13:32).

Yes, I know that is the "common" interpretation that is applied to this verse, but was Jesus just referring to His resurrection, or was He referring to the Temple formed from the building blocks of the Saints after the GWTR judgement?

It is my view that Christ was referring to the Temple formed from the building blocks of the Righteous Saints after the GWTR judgement as they, with Christ, assemble to worship God during the time of eternity.

Only those who will be judged righteous will know the right answer to John 2:19.

We already know that the Jews caused the destruction of the Physical "Temple in 70 A.D., which occurred after the resurrection of Christ and His ascension into the clouds of Heaven, but we have to wait patiently for the Temple to be rebuilt in the distant future to confirm what I am suggesting.

Seems like we both need patience to see who is right.

ScottA · Jan 27, 2025

Ronald Nolette said:
And you seem terrified to answer a simple question that you know what it is asking.

You lost me. But no, I am not terrified.

ScottA · Jan 27, 2025

Jay Ross said:
Yes, I know that is the "common" interpretation that is applied to this verse, but was Jesus just referring to His resurrection, or was He referring to the Temple formed from the building blocks of the Saints after the GWTR judgement?

It is my view that Christ was referring to the Temple formed from the building blocks of the Righteous Saints after the GWTR judgement as they, with Christ, assemble to worship God during the time of eternity.

Only those who will be judged righteous will know the right answer to John 2:19.

We already know that the Jews caused the destruction of the Physical "Temple in 70 A.D., which occurred after the resurrection of Christ and His ascension into the clouds of Heaven, but we have to wait patiently for the Temple to be rebuilt in the distant future to confirm what I am suggesting.

Seems like we both need patience to see who is right.

Unfortunately, those who assume to wait, will.

Even so, there is no need to wait, for it is written, that the three days of Christ did not begin in the year of our Lord, but "before the foundation of the world." As such, even Adam--the first/First is among those spiritual stones gathered in the making of the Temple and body of Christ.

Truth7t7 · Jan 27, 2025

ScottA said:
True...only it is not the time that most believe.

In other words, Jesus comes again in the glory of the Father beginning "soon" after He went to the Father. Which is to say, His second coming is spiritual, as He described, saying, "Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me." Which, again, is His coming "in the glory of His Father"(whom is spirit)--as He also said (Matthew 16:27).

Wrong, the point of a person's individual opening the door of one's heart to salvation isn't the day and hour no man knows 100% false

The day and hour no man knows is the future literal, visible, second coming of Jesus in the heavens, your mystical gobbly goop doesn't stop

Matthew 24:30-36KJV
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Fred J · Jan 27, 2025

ScottA said:
No--and don't be silly. The scriptures are not a lie, but do tell of a lie. Do you not know of this?

Point out using the scripture these 'lies', so we are aware, thank you

Fred J · Jan 27, 2025

ScottA said:
You have listed many issues, and I suspect it is because of the language difference.

Am speak plain English language, is my listed many 'issues' pertaining to the New Testament are 'lies'?

ScottA said:
But the perplexity of many here is due to the lie that has been taught now for 2,000 years--as the scriptures say. That is my testimony--just what the scriptures say.

Again, point the 'lie' by scripture quotes, the 'lie' we've been taught for 2,000 years?

Fred J · Jan 27, 2025

ScottA said:
As for your statement about the rapture and His not coming yet: That is part of the lie which Paul warned of. To the contrary, the rapture experience is mostly unknowingly realized when it occurs upon being born again of the spirit of God--which is the Lords return, but the lie has caused most to not believe it.

Dear true born again and disciple scripturally and witnessing readers, there's definitely something of the 'dark ages' here.

According to ScottA, being born again of the Spirit of GOD, is actually the 'rapture' and the 'Lord's return'.

Therefore, we've been believing all this while, Paul's 'lie' sent by GOD to have us 'strongly deluded' for 2,000 years.

Is this a catholic dogma, am a bit lost here, thank you?

ScottA · Jan 27, 2025

Truth7t7 said:
Wrong, the point of a person's individual opening the door of one's heart to salvation isn't the day and hour no man knows 100% false

So...did you, or do you "know the day and hour" of your own salvation beforehand?

I know your answer--which does not make what I have said "false"--but you.

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