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Besides every passage that speaks of the AC whether using that name or the many many names for that person? Every single passage describes the final Ac as a singular person, little horn, man of sin, antichrist, false prophet, beast...it's always one person who rules the world and uses miracles to deceive people.
Your denials of the AC is exactly what the enemy wants and has placed into almost all endtimes theologies. Your LOL isn't too funny now is it? I'm sure everyone who takes part in the Apostasy will be laughing at first also.
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Again...God is NOT talking about your fantasy vision of one man having supernatural power who will rule the world in the end. You totally misunderstood what God talked about. For example:
The little horn is not a single man. The horn signifies power in Scripture, therefore, it is about the power for a little time or short season.
The man of sin is not a single man, but every man with the spirit of the antichrist. Any man that follows Satan is called the man of sin. Just as all Christians who folls God's Word is called the Man of God! This is how God sees every individual!
The antichrist is not your end-time single man, but a collective of every man with the spirit of disobedience and opposite God's Truth. This is how God sees every individual.
The beast is not one man, but a collective of every man with spirit of Satan.
The false prophet (the second beast) is not one man, but a collective of every man who pretends to be Christians but whose doctrines is of the Devil and with the spirit of Satan, too. This is how God see every invidivual!
Selah!
That is why I wish you luck in finding the final Antichrist that you believe will fulfill the Bible prophecies, but this is not what God intended. So... good luck!
I do NOT deny the antichrist. It's your understanding antichrist, little horn, man of sin, beast, and false prophet as "one man" that is FLAWED!
Chuckle!!
The Lord judges and I am comfortable with that!
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Wrong, that is exactly what God descibes in the bible IN EVERY SINGLE AC TEXT! It's ALWAYS one person! Before that many ACs exist but at the end there will be the one person all the texts describe.
Denial of the Ac IS APOSTASY because if one denies the AC, the AC WILL DECEIVE that person.
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1Jn 4:2-3
(2) Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
(3) And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
Every spirit (ie. every man) who has denied Christ, has the spirit of the antichrist. This is how God sees every individual as antichrist or man of sin as such just as He see every individual of His chosen Elect with spirit of God as Man of God. So NOPE, there will not be only "one and only" antichrist or man of sin in the future according to your flawed doctrine.
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Nope. That there are many ACs is already established and agreed upon so you are employing a strawman fallacy.
What you avoid is the actual fact that there is a singular AC spoken of and described in multiple texts. Your doctrine redefines the singular AC into multiple, going against those texts.
Again, AC denials like this is what satan will use to bring about the Apostasy because if the AC does not exist, then the real AC can just show up, claim to be God and will be worshipped by those who don't believe in an antichrist.
John spoke of a singular and particular antichrist who was to yet come:
1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
He says "now" there were many antichrists but does specifically speak of one certain antichrist (singular) that was yet to come (future arrival) which means John believed there was a future Antichrist. This is known as "the Antichrist" which is a specific Antichrist among all those who are antichrists.
John does not say how far into the future that this specific Antichrist would come but he did speak in the future tense.
Paul spoke of this same singular evil person using different names:
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2 Thessalonians 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2 Thessalonians 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2 Thessalonians 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
John writes of this same singular antichrist person calling him different names/terms in the book of Revelation, the false prophet and the (second) beast.
Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast;
Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
What name or term used to describe this singular evil person is irrelevant because many names are used whether Antichrist, false prophet, (second) beast, man of sin, that Wicked, the son of perdition, the little horn, abomination of desolation and so on. It's all speaking of the same individual who will reign the world during the great tribulation and claim to be God and perform miracles and wonders.
The concept of a future singular "antichrist" person is biblical. Who this person is has been debated very much, but denying that there is a future singular antichrist denies what scripture tells us.
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You do not make any sense. The rise of false prophets and Christs is the reason for the apostasy!
Mat 24:11-12
(11) And many false prophets shall rise and shall deceive many.
(12) And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:23-24
(23) Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
(24) For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
The false Christs and false prophets are the antichrists that deceive many which is what causes the apostasy in the Church. This has nothing to do with the denial of your singular antichrist fantasy which is absurd!
1Jn 2:18
(18) Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
Ahhh... notice here how John clearly debunks the theory of antichrist being 'one man.' Read carefully: John says as they have heard that antichrist should come in the future (Jesus Himself preached of false Christs coming in Matthew 24), even then as he wrote this there were already many antichrists. It's important to see that John didn't deny the doctrine that antichrist would come to prominence in the future, rather, he simply told them that even in their time there were indeed many of these antichrists. For example, antichrist is not a single man as some Christians have presupposed. When we let scriptures define antichrist we see that he has a very different meaning than some theologians of our day. The truth is, he is exactly what the name implies. Anyone who comes as [anti] opposed to, or as a false or substitute for Christ. God already has a name for those who are outside the Church and are opposed to Him. They are [apistos] translated infidels or unbelievers. The anti or substitute Christs are something else entirely. They profess that they are the Church but deny Christ in their works. The terms 'false Christs and 'antichrists' are basically synonymous, because they illustrate the same spirit of the substitute Christ.
In 1st John 2:18 we read that they had heard that antichrist would come (future), but that there were even then many antichrists already present. Scripture here has defined the antichrist as that which is coming, and indeed many were already present. So again we see scripture confirms that antichrist is Satan manifesting himself in the disobedient. This spirit is seen as character traits of one whose life is in league with Satan, just as the true Christians has the Spirit of God which manifests itself in our life as character traits of our being in league with Christ. Two spirits, one of Christ and the other of antichrist. Antichrist cannot be a single man, nor a supernatural evil man. Satan is that spirit that is both coming (as this spirit will be loosed in the future), and that which was already at work in the world at the time of John's writing. This is information God has given to illuminate these passages that we can glean from them just who antichrist represents. Only the spirit Satan working within men 'qualifies' to both be in the world then, now, and in the future. The spirit of Satan was there working in men, and as they had heard, this spirit would come with all iniquity abounding in the future (iniquity was restrained at the cross - 2nd Thessalonians 2:7). The well oiled myth of a single antichrist man is found wanting when examined in the light of the 'whole' of scripture. Antichrist works (and has worked) throughout time within men whom he uses to do his bidding. For He is that spirit Satan.
Another thing is that in 1st John 2:18 we read that they had heard that antichrist was to come 'in the last time,' and John says the prediction of the coming of the antichrist were being fulfilled even then because there were many antichrists there already (1st John 4:3). He confirms, 'whereby we know that it is the last time.' In other words, this is how we know it is the last time. The phrase last time refers to what is also called the 'last days' (Acts 2:17) and encompasses the whole New Testament period when Christ was prophesied to come and to reign. This is telling us this New Covenant period has already been fulfilled 'because' antichrists have come. i.e., you can't have those opposing the true Christ of the Covenant if it is not yet the last time when Christ was prophesied to come. He is declaring to the Church that the presence of antichrists or substitute Christs is evidence that the prophecy is fulfilled of the last days when Christ would come to His temple and reign. The New Testament with Israel and the final dispensation has come, and the presence of antichrists prove it.
John didn't define these antichrists as many do today, he introduced them as professed Christians who had been among them, but who went their own way because they no longer believed as these faithful did. This is why you need to read the very next verse shows that conclusively.
1Jn 2:19
(19) They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
Obviously these antichrists were professing Christians or false apostles, but they no longer could hold to the doctrines they had first received. We see the same type thing happen in our day where some in the Churches don't like the doctrines and so go out from among us to form another Church. The 'context' of this chapter shows that these weren't those who denied Christ verbally, but those who denied him doctrinally and attempted to seduce the faithful. They were not antichrists because they denied the historical existence of Jesus (as many define antichrists) they were antichrists because they began teaching a false Christ, or another gospel other than that of Christ. This is a picture of false apostles who wanted a christ after their own image, and to teach their own versions of Christ, and so went out from among the faithful. They went out, that it might be made manifest that they were never 'truly' of the Spirit of Christ in the first place. They were always antichrists.
Some theologians have stated that this fact that there were many antichrists doesn't preclude the belief that there can be a "single antichrist individual" come in the future. However, this is both inconsistent and unbiblical. A man's spirit cannot be in the world for 2000 years before his body is conceived. Satan is the only spirit who 'qualifies' to be here that long, and he has never needed one body. He has an army of bodies down throughout time at his disposal. There is no Biblical warrant for applying such a 'forced' interpretation as 'one incarnate Satan man. God's Word never defines antichrist as a single man, but as the spirit Satan. And man (men) with this spirit, are many antichrists. Just as Jesus called the Scribes and Pharisees a serpent and a generation of vipers to illustrate they were of their father the Devil, and possessed the spirit of Satan (matt23:33). Likewise, those who are of this spirit antichrist, are antichrists. Antichrist can be singular only in that ultimately he is that spirit Satan. If we are going to define antichrist as a single 'man' that is yet to come, we will have to ignore all the scriptures which actually speak of antichrist. i.e., ignore the context and content of scripture and apply our own 'private interpretation.' But when we allow God to define His own Word, we find nothing in scripture which makes the 'single man' declaration.
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The coming antichrist "IS" the loosing of the spirit of Satan with all lying signs and wonders (2nd Thess 2:7-10) which works within unregenerate men. Not one man! Period! There were many antichrists or many men with the spirit of antichrist even in John's day, and when that spirit of Satan which was bound by Christ's cross is loosed, then will that spirit antichrist come to the full. Consider wisely in Daniel 8:
Dan 8:23-24
(23) And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
(24) And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
The kingdom is the New Testament congregation. The transgressors are the false prophets and Christs. The king is Satan. This is the king that the false prophets and christs, by their doctrines and deeds, have given their kingdom to Satan.
Rev 17:16-18
(16) And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
(17) For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
(18) And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
This is HOW Satan is revealed to the Elect that he rules in the church (woman) THROUGH the false prophets and christs! As your doctrines falsely teach, nothing is talked about one singular man ruling the world from the Middle East.
I'm aware that you won't accept this truth without the guidance of the Spirit of Christ. You might be preoccupied with searching for a single antichrist by following World News, all the while overlooking the spiritual state of churches around the globe where the false prophets and christs now running all over the woman. Well.... good luck in your quest to find your antichrist!
The coming antichrist "IS" the loosing of the spirit of Satan with all lying signs and wonders (2nd Thess 2:7-10) which works within unregenerate men. Not one man! Period! There were many antichrists or many men with the spirit of antichrist even in John's day, and when that spirit of Satan which was bound by Christ's cross is loosed, then will that spirit antichrist come to the full. Consider wisely in Daniel 8:
Dan 8:23-24
(23) And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
(24) And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
The kingdom is the New Testament congregation. The transgressors are the false prophets and Christs. The king is Satan. This is the king that the false prophets and christs, by their doctrines and deeds, have given their kingdom to Satan.
Rev 17:16-18
(16) And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
(17) For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
(18) And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
This is HOW Satan is revealed to the Elect that he rules in the church (woman) THROUGH the false prophets and christs! As your doctrines falsely teach, nothing is talked about one singular man ruling the world from the Middle East.
I'm aware that you won't accept this truth without the guidance of the Spirit of Christ. You might be preoccupied with searching for a single antichrist by following World News, all the while overlooking the spiritual state of churches around the globe where the false prophets and christs now running all over the woman. Well.... good luck in your quest to find your antichrist!
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No, it is the last AC that causes the Apostasy and that is because the enemy made sure to infect the Church with false doctrines, especially the AC denial doctrines like the "no singular, future AC". People that believe in false doctrines like that won't see the AC and say, "That's the antichrist!". Nope, they will run to him and worship him.
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Continue searching for your final AC to see if the scripture truly supports your incorrect doctrine. Enjoy the process.
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Which is a wiser thing? Looking for possible danger or denying there is no such danger? I'm the one looking, you aren't.
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I can see that the danger is already here, dude. Satan is already revealed through the false prophets and christs performing signs and lying wonders in the great city that is now being desolate. You choose to deny it because:
#1 You lack the wisdom of Christ, so the mystery of iniquity and mystery of Babylon the Great remain a mystery to you.
#2 You are looking for your vision of "one antichrist," while the church (woman) is burning with false prophets and christs within her!
LOL. Go and have fun finishing for your "one antichrist." You will be disappointed.
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So? You are not looking for a future AC which is dangerous. Obviously looking for all danger is the wisest move but certain doctrines teach the opposite.
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Do you have a reading problem or something? I said AC is already here. It is not what you think he is. Satan is a spirit as "thee" antichrist who being revealed through many false prophets and christs who will deceive many. Not one supernatural man. Gee-whiz.
You are looking for danger that is already here but you deny it because it does not fit your flawed doctrine.
Have you...
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That's wrong. You are not looking for a future AC which is dangerous. All false doctrines deny the real AC in some way and this way is one of the worst. While still wrong and dangerous, at least various versions of Preterism actually believe in a real, literal singular Ac but that he came already.
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Go fishin.
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He sure has, even by pushing the baloney that the Christian nations are included in that group that comes up against Jerusalem on the last day of this world. That's a lie by the devil and his workers, so yeah, many brethren have been duped by that kind of falseness.
As you can see this is what will form before Christ comes, and rise up to control all the world as the image of the original. The Beast given in Revelation...
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Your not forgetting the resurrection which takes place in Ezekiel 37?
The dead in come out of their graves before those nations come against Israel.
Ezekiel 37
12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.
Or do you deny the dead will come out of their graves as some do?
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In the top post above (#1), it is the second Putin quote that is most accurate. In other words, a "new world order" could refer to many things, and in actuality there are two different types new world orders being talked about internationally. One is the dreaded demonic version, and the other is an alternative to that dreaded version. So, unless one knows what is going on behind the scenes, it is easy to confuse one for the other, or consider them to be the same. But they are not.
Truth is, a corrupt world order agenda has been going on since the beginning in the garden, but has a newer, governmental version which started over a thousand years ago, by no coincidence--in Ukraine. If you want to know what they are not telling you on the syndicated news, do some deep digging into the Khazarian Mafia...which in recent times has become the new world order group responsible for starting wars, planting operatives in world politics, militaries, news media, entertainment, education, financial institutions...and even the Vatican and Israel. And because their propaganda narrative is so good and has become so common, many are unknowingly helping them, rooting for them, sending them money, and why the world is what it is today. But remember, they have been at it since Satan, and are very good at fooling people and covering up their evil agenda. So, if you are going to do your own research, it will be like going against the C I A ('cause they have been running it for some time now).
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