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Colossians 1:21-23.

This passage doesn't say that. It is descriptive, not prescriptive.

Much love!

 

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Colossians 1:21-23.

Colossians 1:21-23
[21] And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
[22] In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
[23] If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Where does this say "keep believing"?

 

[Charlie24]

No man plucked them out of the Father's hand, they plucked themselves out of His hand!

If a man is Saved—- in God's Hand—- If later on in the FUTURE he tried to pluck Himself “ out” of that Hand, Scripture says that is not Possible , because “ NOTHING in the FUTURE” can happen to reverse what had already taken place....NOTHING means “ Nothing”..... that would include “ You” trying to escape His grasp....

If that's what you want to believe, nothing I can do about it!

Several of us have shown you that osas in not true!

You can argue against plain scripture if you like, won't change anything!

 

[justbyfaith]

Then its not us persevering, Its him keeping.

It is Him keeping, and it is us doing (Philippians 2:13).

I do not agree at all.
I do not persevere. God keeps me. If I have to persevere. it is me saving myself.

He works in us both to will and to do according to His good pleasure (Philippians 2:13). So it is God doing the saving. Of course we are to cooperate; with the obedience of faith (Romans 16:26).

Are you a babe in Christ? A young man? A mature adult? and even if you are mature. Have you stopped growing in Christ?

Unless you think you are perfect and can not grow anymore. How can you say you are unsure

Job 9:21, Though I were perfect, yet would I not know my soul: I would despise my life.

Isa 42:19, Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the LORD'S servant?

Jhn 9:41, Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

He says if we say we have no sin. this means if we claim we have stopped sinning.

This means if we claim that we do not have a sinful nature in our flesh. Obviously, the person who is born of God has stopped sinning (1 John 3:9).

1 John chapter 3 is talking about ongoing habitual sin.

So, if you commit sin "just this one time" it doesn't matter; because it wasn't practicing it.

See how the devil can use such a thing in your life to keep you in bondage to sin.

Then you are teaching a works based salvation. based on your power to persevere.

That is a false gospel.

No, because God is the one who keeps us persevering, if we are sealed by the Holy Spirit.

See 1 John 3:6, 1 John 2:17. Eternal security is a doctrine therein.

Not even worth responding to.

And yet, you responded.

if you
say so.

Thank you for agreeing with me.

It does Says who?

So I have absolute assurance because some man immerses me in water and not because God Himself <fify> baptizes me into Christ?

Sorry my friend, My assurance is in God not some pastor or any man for that matter

Says the holy scriptures that I quoted after posting that.

Keep believing this.

I will.

It is just as much a work as obeying any other command of God

Then how does it save (Mark 16:16, Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39)?

Because you attribute the work of God to some man. By defenition, This is blasphemy

No, it is not attributed to some man; it is attributed to the operation of God (Colossians 2:12).

It doesn't matter who the man is who does the baptizing. What matters is that you get it done in Jesus' Name.

Again your wrong. Your reading a flawed English text. The Greek makes no such claim.

I believe in a God who is Omnipotent and sovereign and loving; who will not allow His unadulterated message to be lost to the people. And I believe that He preserved His unadulterated message in the kjv; which faith is the evidence of what is not seen by you.

The educated scribes and Pharisees rejected Jesus; while the common people heard Him gladly.

In the same way, those who seek to be educated in the Greek and Hebrew languages and seek to be their own translators out of another language are in danger of rejecting Jesus and the truth of His word.

I believe that the Lord gave us His unadulterated word in the kjv...other translations tend to be watered down but they still have value. Some are perversions of the original text (such as the NeWT). But the kjv is the reality of God's message to us in the English language. The devil created some of his own situations so he could claim that the errors in those versions also hold true of the kjv. And he also watered down those texts so that at the very best, the Christian who reads such translations will be stunted in their growth. And at worst, they will not be saved in the final exclamation. But Jesus said that the way to life is narrow and few there be that find it.

In our English language, the kjv has the narrow truth that will save the man who adheres to it.

 

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This passage doesn't say that. It is descriptive, not prescriptive.

Much love!

@justbyfaith

That passage is speaking about the Mind, what it has heard.

It is not about a man "KEEPING BELIEF".
The converted mans "BELIEF" is KEPT by Gods Power.

This is about a man "GROUNDING HIS FAITH".
It is FAITH, God gifts to a born again spirit of man, IN His Heart.
It is a man who MUST MAKE his Carnal MIND, subervant to the Thoughts of his Heart, that the Lord has given the Spirit of Truth, Gods Truth.

IN SHORT....God did not "change our carnal minds"...that is mans job....and when man does MAKE his carnal minds thoughts, subservant to his hearts thoughts...that man becomes "grounded in faith"....and thereafter called....having a mind LIKE Christ.

God gives us the tools, the power....we simply have to elect to use that power....
And that is what this Scripture is about...



God Bless,
Taken

 

[justbyfaith]

“ NOTHING in the FUTURE” can happen to reverse what had already taken place....NOTHING means “ Nothing”..... that would include “ You” trying to escape His grasp....

I know you are probably thinking of a scripture...but I think that you have half-quoted it.

Would you care to give the reference to the scripture in question so that we can examine it for ourselves?

Is it Romans 8:38-39?

Rom 8:38, For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Rom 8:39, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

I would merely point out that God loves the whole world (John 3:16); and yet the whole world isn't going to be saved.

And therefore the passage in question is not saying what you think it is saying.

This passage doesn't say that. It is descriptive, not prescriptive.

Much love!

Says you. But there is the possibility that it is prescriptive. So, the burden of proof is on you to show that it isn't.

Colossians 1:21-23
[21] And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
[22] In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
[23] If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Where does this say "keep believing"?

In the part you bolded.

I hope you aren't saying that you can't see that; because then 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 might be true of you.

It is not about a man "KEEPING BELIEF".
The converted mans "BELIEF" is KEPT by Gods Power.

The man is kept by the power of God through faith (1 Peter 1:5)

 

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Several of us have shown you that osas in not true!

No so.
Several have claimed OSAS is not true.
Some have even quoted Scriptures....that do not apply to a Converted man...

OSAS applies expressly to a Converted man.
Men who are not Converted, are not saved, and absolutely CAN LOSE the Salvation the Lord offered them, because it was brought and paid for FOR THEM and they refused to claim it and receive it....their loss.

If you are offered something that is specifically bought and paid for FOR YOU...
And you don't claim it, you lose it.

You be gifted a lottery ticket, Hear the winning numbers, claim, whoopie, you have increased your monetary wealth....but oops, you never claimed it....you lose the gain bought and paid for and for you only....

You do not have to POSSESS Salvation to lose it. As a matter of FACT, once you claim and possess YOUR Offering of the Lords gift of Salvation, you can NEVER LOSE it.

All Scriptural WARNINGS about losing Salvation APPLY to people who Never claimed their gift, and oops, lose it, and oops bodily die IN their sin, without forgiveness.
And BLOT, BLOT from Gods book of Life.
And oops, no name entered for you in the Lambs book of life.

Bummer....because once Bodily dead...you know nothing, can do nothing....your time for claiming your Gift of Salvation expired.

And pretty much, men do not know the day or hour they will die.....so one not claiming their Salvation...IS a big deal, as seen in Scripture via the warnings to get to getting and claim it.

 

[justbyfaith]

Clearly, Luke 8:12, which is the context of Luke 8:13, tells us that if we believe we will be saved.

And, in Luke 8:13, we find people who "believe for a while and then fall away".

 

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I know you are probably thinking of a scripture...but I think that you have half-quoted it.

Would you care to give the reference to the scripture in question so that we can examine it for ourselves?

John 1:
[12] But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
[13] Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

So, what Scripture teaches a man can become...."UNBORN" of God..

The man is kept by the power of God through faith (1 Peter 1:5)

Not news, but has nothing to do with a "MAN KEEPING BELIEF", as was the challenge.

Forgiveness, Faith, Belief, Salvation, Born Again Spirit, Sanctification, God Seed, Gods Truth, on and on....Every Gift God GIVES a Converted man IS KEPT preserved BY THE POWER of God. PERIOD.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I wish I was talented enough to get my point across on this topic of predestination. If you ask what must be done to be saved, you will get alot of answers, and many will have Biblical backing. But one of the answers is in Matthew 10:22. He that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Therefore, while I believe God has foreknowledge and does actually foreordain and predestinates, he never does tell who endures. Knowing that God has chosen -- even before the foundations of the world -- doesn't help us. We still have to run the race set before us. With that in mind, there is no gloating or pride or assurance. We must still maintain and grow in faith.

YOu should keep that verse in the context it was written in! It was spoken to the apostles and what they had to endure for the sake of the gospel! It is not about maintaining salvation by hanging onto to something. That is a work and means we have control when Scripture clearly tells us that our salvation is kept for us by Jesus , reserved in heaven until the day we are redeemed!

 

[Charlie24]

No so.
Several have claimed OSAS is not true.
Some have even quoted Scriptures....that do not apply to a Converted man...

OSAS applies expressly to a Converted man.
Men who are not Converted, are not saved, and absolutely CAN LOSE the Salvation the Lord offered them, because it was brought and paid for FOR THEM and they refused to claim it and receive it....their loss.

If you are offered something that is specifically bought and paid for FOR YOU...
And you don't claim it, you lose it.

You be gifted a lottery ticket, Hear the winning numbers, claim, whoopie, you have increased your monetary wealth....but oops, you never claimed it....you lose the gain bought and paid for and for you only....

You do not have to POSSESS Salvation to lose it. As a matter of FACT, once you claim and possess YOUR Offering of the Lords gift of Salvation, you can NEVER LOSE it.

All Scriptural WARNINGS about losing Salvation APPLY to people who Never claimed their gift, and oops, lose it, and oops bodily die IN their sin, without forgiveness.
And BLOT, BLOT from Gods book of Life.
And oops, no name entered for you in the Lambs book of life.

Bummer....because once Bodily dead...you know nothing, can do nothing....your time for claiming your Gift of Salvation expired.

And pretty much, men do not know the day or hour they will die.....so one not claiming their Salvation...IS a big deal, as seen in Scripture via the warnings to get to getting and claim it.

Go ahead and deny this, you guys are getting good at it!

Hebrews 3:14

"For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;'

But this can't apply to the osas crowd, they don't believe this has to be done, it must be for the rest of us!

 

[justbyfaith]

John 1:
[12] But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
[13] Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

So, what Scripture teaches a man can become...."UNBORN" of God..

The real question is can a man "die spiritually" after having been "born"?

Physically, it is true that this is possible.

And hypothetically, it is true when it applies to the person who is "born again"...James 1:12-16.

 

[justbyfaith]

YOu should keep that verse in the context it was written in! It was spoken to the apostles and what they had to endure for the sake of the gospel! It is not about maintaining salvation by hanging onto to something. That is a work and means we have control when Scripture clearly tells us that our salvation is kept for us by Jesus , reserved in heaven until the day we are redeemed!

Many things that are considered to be works by hyper-Calvinists and others, are not in all actuality, works.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Many things that are considered to be works by hyper-Calvinists and others, are not in all actuality, works.

Says you! But if one confesses Jesus as Lord and trust that God raised HIm from the dead, they will be saved!

And I am far from a hyper calvinist or even a calvinist.

 

[justbyfaith]

Every Gift God GIVES a Converted man IS KEPT preserved BY THE POWER of God. PERIOD.

According to 1 Peter 1:5, faith in God is the catalyst for the power of God being operated in a man's life.

 

[justbyfaith]

Says you! But if one confesses Jesus as Lord and trust that God raised HIm from the dead, they will be saved!

And I am far from a hyper calvinist or even a calvinist.

Philippians 2:12, which means 2 Peter 1:10, still apply.

The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked (Jeremiah 17:9). You may think that you have faith when you don't really have faith.

See 2 Corinthians 13:5.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Philippians 2:12, which means 2 Peter 1:10, still apply.

The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked (Jeremiah 17:9). You may think that you have faith when you don't really have faith.

See 2 Corinthians 13:5.

It seems you seem to think what I may or may not have! So you seem to be sure of your faith and can look into the hearts of others and know if they have faith or not! Are you Jesus in disguise?????

 

[justbyfaith]

It seems you seem to think what I may or may not have! So you seem to be sure of your faith and can look into the hearts of others and know if they have faith or not! Are you Jesus in disguise?????

I didn't judge your faith personally, That is between you and the Lord.

But I am saying that you may have unfounded confidence in a salvation that does not really exist; and therefore it is important that you "work out your salvation with fear and trembling" (Philippians 2:12) or "give diligence to make your calling and election sure" (2 Peter 1:10).

 

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According to 1 Peter 1:5, faith in God is the catalyst for the power of God being operated in a man's life.

And? What at about it?

 

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Go ahead and deny this, you guys are getting good at it!

Hebrews 3:14

"For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;'

"Go ahead and deny Scripture?
That's a bizarre thing to teach to preach.

I'll pass.