Once Saved Always Saved

[Ferris Bueller]

Born again.
This is why you are saved or not.
Its because God's Holy Spirit, has birthed you INTO His Holy Spirit, or He hasn't.
Thats it.

And the sign that this has happened to you is that you have faith, and not just faith, but faith that works. The absence of faith and works shows you do not belong to God in salvation. You are not born again. Born again people have faith and they have works to back up their claim to faith.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

But to say no good churches exist your flat out wrong

Some are more useful than others. But they all fall short of accomplishing what God wants our meetings to accomplish. We think liturgy is what church is supposed to be about.

 

[Taken]

WRONG.

LOL

As I have shown repeatedly - the very word, "Epignosis" already connotes that the person had FAITH.
. . .

Always beginning with your Negative Narrative, is such an old tactic for the naive, and transparent to the wise.

Lesson for you...
Having Faith ... Does Not mean Converted.
Faith is a Gift from God.
Many men who are NOT Converted, Receive Faith from God.

@ Eternally Grateful is exactly Correct.
What an individual DOES with their gift of Faith, determines THAT specific individual's Final outcome.

Opinions, philosophies, box characterizing words OF men, are irrelevant.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

If you are putting your Faith in your ability to Repent Of Sins instead of putting your Faith in Christ Alone.....you are Damned.....

While true, why do you assume JBF is doing that? Isn't possible that his repentance is BECAUSE he has faith in Christ and not because he's trying to earn his salvation by doing right? I'm pretty sure he knows the true gospel message of justification by faith apart from the merit of works.

The person who is following a works gospel is signified by his inability to repent, not his ability to repent. You know that, right? An unsaved person (in this case unsaved because they are following a works gospel) can not repent. They do not have the Holy Spirit. Why do you think unsaved people are somehow able to repent and put on a show of being saved? The Pharisees were noted for their hypocrisy, not their obedience!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

His sin is his rejection of Christ.

Got any evidence for that ?

They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. Titus 1:16​

 

[BloodBought 1953]

So, if I believe what the holy scriptures say on this matter, according to my adversary I am preaching and believing a FALSE and PERVERTED gospel and have "FALLEN FROM GRACE".


What your “ Adversary” ( me) thinks or says means Nothing.....I simply invite anybody out there
to read the short book of Galatians and then tell me that I am wrong in my assessment of this guy’s False and Perverted “ Gospel” Of Lucky Repentance.....
He unmistakenly Adds to the Gospel Of Grace with “ Jesus Saves BUT ya gotta Repent Of all of your sins before you die or you go to Hell”.......That makes him one who “Falls from Grace”...... read Galatians and YOU decide......does he Add to the Gospel or not?
Here is how you do NOT “ add to the Gospel”——- “Jesus Saves, no “BUTS” attached....” or just teach the Song, “ NOTHING But The Blood Of Jesus” ....NOTHING.
Check out my new post ....” Two Types Of Repenters Find Damnation”

 

[Ferris Bueller]

So, if I believe what the holy scriptures say on this matter, according to my adversary I am preaching and believing a FALSE and PERVERTED gospel and have "FALLEN FROM GRACE".


What your “ Adversary” ( me) thinks or says means Nothing.....I simply invite anybody out there
to read the short book of Galatians and then tell me that I am wrong in my assessment of this guy’s False and Perverted “ Gospel” Of Lucky Repentance.....
He unmistakenly Adds to the Gospel Of Grace with “ Jesus Saves BUT ya gotta Repent Of all of your sins before you die or you go to Hell”.......That makes him one who “Falls from Grace”...... read Galatians and YOU decide......does he Add to the Gospel or not?
Here is how you do NOT “ add to the Gospel”——- “Jesus Saves, no “BUTS” attached....” or just teach the Song, “ NOTHING But The Blood Of Jesus” ....NOTHING.
Check out my new post ....” Two Types Of Repenters Find Damnation”

It's not a works gospel when repentance is the expression of your faith.

The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love. Galatians 5:6​

The only thing that justifies is faith. But the faith that justifies all by itself apart from works is the faith that lives a repentant life of love in obedience to God. That's not a works gospel.

 

[Behold]

Koine Greek was the language of the people in christs day,

The people in "Christ's Day" were Hebrews.
This is ISRAEL where CHRIST walked and talked.
Its where my home is located.
Jews don't speak Greek, they speak "Hebrew" or in Christ's day Aramaic.
This is not "greek".

The Apostles did not speak it routinely, and they did not write it.
This is why their Letters were Translated INTO Greek, and later into English.

 

[Behold]

The original Greek LANGUAGE, in context.

Had you been paying attention to the conversation -.

Its like this.
First you replace the Blood of Jesus with "water" and then you tell actual born again Christians that the "greek" is what they need to be reading, instead of the BIBLE.
So, thats you. ... 100%.
And its no revelation, as your "cult of the Virgin" does not want its cultist to read the bible, which is why you tell people to go to the Greek.
Your cult denied its people their right to read the BIBLE, until 1961, and here you are, trying to talk people out of the bible, in favor of GREEK, that they can't actually read.
So, what does that make you?
= Exactly.

 

[Behold]

In Luke 8:13 it becomes clear that someone can believe for a while and then fall away.

It is heresy to teach that the person who thus falls away continues to have salvation.

But, this is what @Behold teaches.

Listen..

You can't fall away from being born again, but you can fall away from right believing.
And that is you.
Your faith is in YOU.
That is why you always talk about losing your salvation, as this is the corrupted faith talk of the SELF SAVOR.
Thats you.

 

[Behold]

Hey Behold, my good friend.....What does “ Fallen From From Grace” mean to you.....Some say that It is a loss of Salvation....some say the ones that “TEACH” False , Perverted so- called Gospels are damned and I Buy that because Gal 1:8 clearly say that they are “Accursed”—- a polite way to say one is damned. On the other hand , those that merely “ fall “ for Gospel Additions are not Damned but just go on to live a “ Crippled” Faith Walk—- Some say they are damned also.....I have always been curious as to what your “ take” on all of this is.....got time to respond? God has blessed you—- May He continue to do so.....

Falling from Grace is to leave true faith in Christ to keep you saved.

See, all wrong faith, is SELF FAITH, its faith in...>"doing" instead of only BELIEVING.
Its the self righteous SHIFT from faith in Christ to :

Faith in Faith.
Faith in commandment keeping
Faith in the Torah

All of this is to try to KEEP YOUR SALVATION, and not lose it.
So that is SELF SAVING, which is to leave true Faith in Christ Alone, to keep you saved. = "fallen from GRACE"

this is justbyfaith and. ferris bueller and others on this forum.

 

[Behold]

Saved people continue to have faith.

Saved people continue to be "One with God" and "born again".
Faith was already accepted, or they would not be either of those.

Salvation is now what you complete, so, get off your self righteousness, and start to believe that Christ keeps you saved.
Once you believe this, you will leave your self saving fallen from Grace, condition.

 

[Behold]

He's very plainly talking about salvation....

Saved people continue to be "One with God" and "born again".
Faith was already accepted, or they would not be either of those.

Salvation is now what you complete, so, get off your self righteousness, and start to believe that Christ keeps you saved.
Once you believe this, you will leave your self saving fallen from Grace, condition.

 

[Behold]

'm showing you that your claim that people who don't have faith

What God accepts is faith.
Once.
"As many as BELIEVED on Jesus, God gives to them SALVATION".

See that?
You dont do that. God does that for you, and its know as being BORN AGAIN.
It happens once, and can't be remitted or changed.
Why?
Because once you are born again, you are always born again.
Behavior does not affect birth.

 

[Behold]

And the sign that this has happened to you is that you have faith, and not just faith, but faith that works.

"Justification by Faith, without works".

So, you are again contradicting the Grace of God on a public forum.
You need to get rid of your commentaries and leave your cult that has taught you to deny Grace and substitute it with YOUR OWN EFFORT.

You should listen.

 

[Charlie24]

1 John 3:
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

I'm shocked that people make claims as if every verse in Scripture applies to them.

John also said "if we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves." 1 John 1:8

You must take his statements in context. The translators did not do us justice in some cases.

For example, Does not commit sin, actually means "does not practice sin."

The context makes it clear he is not speaking of the believer never sinning!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

FINALLY SOMEONE GETS THAT!!! I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR YEARS!!!!

Now EG... Is epigosis in Hebrews 10:26 a "moot" point or is is a "mute" point? I wait with giddy anticipation!

Epignosis is a mute point.

It says they RECEIVED FULL KNOWLEDGE of the gospel. (in this sense. Epignosis fits, as full complete knowledge)

Nothing in the text says they accepted it or placed their faith in it.

It is like you go to class and receive full knowledge (epignosis) of a subject. Yet in the end. You disagree with what you received.

Just because you received full knowledge does not mean you have faith in what you receive.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Falling from Grace is to leave true faith in Christ to keep you saved.

See, all wrong faith, is SELF FAITH, its faith in...>"doing" instead of only BELIEVING.
Its the self righteous SHIFT from faith in Christ to :

Faith in Faith.
Faith in commandment keeping
Faith in the Torah

All of this is to try to KEEP YOUR SALVATION, and not lose it.
So that is SELF SAVING, which is to leave true Faith in Christ Alone, to keep you saved. = "fallen from GRACE"

this is justbyfaith and. ferris bueller and others on this forum.

I suppose what I am really asking is this—- in your opinion, are those that “ Fall from Grace” damned , as some maintain......or do they just live out a “ Crippled” Walk Of Faith.....I subscribe to the latter....
The main reason I don't think they are Lost is because I can’t get past this verse....” If you acknowledge me before men, I will acknowledge you before my Father” .....I think those that Believe in Gospel Additions STILL have the proper Faith to fulfill that verse......they can Also have the Faith to Believe that Jesus was God in the flesh and that he Rose from the grave....thus showing they believe the Promise Of Romans 10:9..... and seems to me the minimum to at least get Saved.....even if they have a lot of garbage attached to the Core Belief That Saves them....What do you think? Are the “ Fallen From Grace” Saved or damned?

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Epignosis is a mute point.

It says they RECEIVED FULL KNOWLEDGE of the gospel. (in this sense. Epignosis fits, as full complete knowledge)

Nothing in the text says they accepted it or placed their faith in it.

It is like you go to class and receive full knowledge (epignosis) of a subject. Yet in the end. You disagree with what you received.

Just because you received full knowledge does not mean you have faith in what you receive.

God must “ open your heart” to the Reception of the Gospel ....check out the story of “ Lydia the Seller Of purple”.......Acts 16

 

[Charlie24]

Epignosis is a mute point.

It says they RECEIVED FULL KNOWLEDGE of the gospel. (in this sense. Epignosis fits, as full complete knowledge)

Nothing in the text says they accepted it or placed their faith in it.

It is like you go to class and receive full knowledge (epignosis) of a subject. Yet in the end. You disagree with what you received.

Just because you received full knowledge does not mean you have faith in what you receive.

If what you say is true, the common word for knowledge "gnosis" would have been used!

No my friend, Paul used exactly the word he intended to address what you refuse to believe!