Once Saved Always Saved

[101G]

John said one who sins has never known God

I must chose to follow in context with what John said, and know these sinners have never known God

Otherwise I have the author of hebrews and John contradicting each other

Correct, Not only John, the Lord Jesus said it himself, Matthew 7:21 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."
Matthew 7:22 "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?"
Matthew 7:23 "And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

they was never his.....

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No - YOU need to read John and ALL of the others in their proper context.

Scripture does not contradict itself.
ALL Scripture harmonizes - but you cherry-pick and divorce one or two verses from the rest of Scripture.

Your right it does not

so when John says whoever sins has never seen god, we should take him at his word, amd not mistranslated hebrews as saying we can live in sin and ever have known God

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I am talking about two men who stand before God on judgment (bema) day , one man has 5 works one man had 1000 works

what is the difference?

995 works......sorry.....

 

[FHII]

Believe me - te LAST thing I want to do is to get into yet another argument about the unbiblical doctrine of OSAS.
HOWEVER, I must take issue with what you said here.

Hebrews 10:26-27
“If we sin deliberately AFTER receiving KNOWLEDGE of the truth, there no longer remains sacrifice for sins but a fearful prospect of judgment and a flaming fire that is going to consume the adversaries.”

This is a clear warning that falling away from God will result in the LOSS of our salvation. The Greek word for “knowledge” used here is NOT the usual word (oida/gnosis). This is talking about a full, experiential knowledge (epignosis). This verse is about CHRISTIANS who had an EPIGNOSIS of Christ and who can fall back into darkness and LOSE their salvation by their own doing.

BOL, you like everyone else miss the point. You are analyzing a word but not understanding what is being said. Its pretty funny to me actually.

 

[marks]

The church seems to have the exact opposite view on things......don't think about holding fast to the gospel, and don't get focused on works, because that would be you trying to save yourself.

I recommend centering yourself on your communion with Jesus. I find it a much more fruitful approach to life.

Much love!

 

[FHII]

Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;) and let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is ; but exhorting one another : and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Thats Hebrews 10:25-26 in context folks! The "willfully sinning" is clearly defined! Hold fast, don't waver and don't forsake the assembling. That actually isn't so bad, but you folks wand to make it hard: "don't do any willful sins!" People would actually try to live holy that just go to Church!

Because thats what the "willful" sin comes down to! Thats what the verse says.

 

[FHII]

Here are some well-respected Protestant scholars on the subject:[/QUOT

Here are some well-respected Protestant scholars on the subject:

No. Don't do that! You don't respect any Protestant unless they agree with you. Quit being fake.

 

[justbyfaith]

Blood Bought 1953 said: ↑
No scripture exists that says future sins are forgiven. That is utter falsehood



I did not say this.....this is not the first time you have made it appear that I said something that somebody else said.....I hope it is an inadvertent error on your part ....if so please be more careful....I don’t think you are a big a low- life as to do it on purpose......if it happens again I will report it....

Maybe you should use the quote feature when you are quoting someone else...because that is all I was doing...using the quote feature on your post.

It is not my fault that you quoted someone else without using the quote feature so that when I quoted them out of your post, it gave you the credit.

If you had used the quote feature I would have been able to click on a specific button that is provided and been able to quote it from its original source. But as it was, I did not want to do the searching for that post.

So, report it if you will, I will do the same thing again.

So you need to get with the program.

 

[Enoch111]

Mods should deal with this immediately, but rarely do they...

The mods intervene in matters which are within their terms of service. I notice that your emphasis is solely on the blood of Christ. But there are other aspects of the sacrifice of Christ which are just as important. And then we have the Bible truth that Christ was raised for our justification. The totality of the sacrifice of Christ as the Lamb of God must be emphasized, which no doubt includes the precious blood of Christ being poured out for our redemption. As the Bible says "Without the shedding of blood there is no remission (or forgiveness) of sins".

Getting back to the title of this thread, the notion of losing one's salvation is foreign to Scripture. However Satan would love to have every believer under the cloud of uncertainty about his or her salvation. This is one of the devices of Satan. But there are dozens of Scripture to refute that notion.

 

[Taken]

ONCE - you ARE SAVED -
NOTHING can MAKE a man NOT SAVED.

Not one person has REVEALED ONE SCRIPTURE of any person BEING SAVED, and then being made "unsaved".

 

[Taken]

ONCE a man IS SAVED-

ANYONE up for the challenge of SUPERSEDING the Lords Word?

John 10:
[28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
[29] My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Glory to God who IS FAITHFUL, regardless of mens beliefs and opinions.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Not one person has REVEALED ONE SCRIPTURE of any person BEING SAVED, and then being made "unsaved".

2 Corinthians 2:10-11
[10] To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ; [11] Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour

@Taken what would you suppose Satan getting an advantage of and devouring us entails?

And remember when Jesus prayed for Peter:

Luke 22:31-32
And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

Then we have the infamous most twisted passage:

Hebrews 10:26-27
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

NONE OF THESE SCRIPTURES ARE NECESSARY IF YOU COULD NEVER LOSE YOUR SALVATION!

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Getting back to the title of this thread, the notion of losing one's salvation is foreign to Scripture

Just shows that scripture is foreign to you. It’s in there, you just choose not to recognize them.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

However Satan would love to have every believer under the cloud of uncertainty about his or her salvation.

No, Satan is a deceiver and loves to lie to people. He wants people to be certain in a lie.

Now try to read this scripture without letting lies distort it:

Hebrews 10:26-27
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

This is one of the devices of Satan. But there are dozens of Scripture to refute that notion.

No there are not.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Thats Hebrews 10:25-26 in context folks! The "willfully sinning" is clearly defined! Hold fast, don't waver and don't forsake the assembling.

So if you forsake the assembling of your selves together you loose your salvation?

But all other willful sins are okay?

Do you know how foolish that sounds???

 

[Taken]

2 Corinthians 2:10-11
[10] To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ; [11] Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices. [/B]

TO WHOM ye forgive any thing...
Do you understand that?
Its a man forgiving a man.
Or do you think men forgive God?
That is simply saying, IF a man forgives a man FOR ANYTHING, so also will Christ forgive the man FOR that THING.

Should Satan influence you, and you NOT forgive a man of ANY THING, neither will Jesus.

Nothing to do with the Lord GIVING a man SALVATION, and then undoing the mans SALVATION.

 

[Taken]

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.

Sober and vigilant is NOT having received Salvation.
Being told the Devil is your adversary seeking after ones soul, has nothing to do with A Saved mans soul, becoming MADE UNSAVED.

 

[Taken]

And remember when Jesus prayed for Peter:

Luke 22:31-32
And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and "when thou art converted", strengthen thy brethren.

....when thou art converted...
Very CLEAR, Peter had NOT BEEN CONVERTED.
The question was about a CONVERTED (SAVED MAN, becoming UNSAVED)

 

[Taken]

Then we have the infamous most twisted passage:

Hebrews 10:26-27
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Having KNOWLEDGE of the TRUTH, is NOT RECEIVING SALVATION, its RECEIVING KNOWLEDGE.

The challenge was to REVEAL any SCRIPTURE whereby a man RECEIVED SALVATION, and then that SALVATION was taken away.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour

Sober and vigilant is NOT having received Salvation.

Believers are being told to be vigilant of Satan who seeks to devour everyone!

Is this scripture of no value to us?

Are all the warning passages just there to fill up space?

I highly doubt God inspired his writers to write vain words.