Why Do You Add Unto the Word of God?

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Every Church, every Pastor, every Christian that I know of has added a word, or set of words, between 'surely' and 'die'...

Genesis 2:17
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely [.....................] die."


Here are the most common words, or sets of words, that are added...
  • Spiritually
  • Begin to
Some Christians teach: "...thou shalt surely [Spiritually] die"

Others teach: "...thou shalt surely [begin to] die"

I teach: "...thou shalt surely die"

Here is the ironic part...

I am not allowed to simply believe the verse as-is. I must 'add unto' the Word of God in order to be accepted into a Church or Forum.

Why is that?
 

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Even worse...

Some will both take away from and add unto the Word of God...

Genesis 2:17
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the
[hundreds of years after] thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."


The word 'day' has been taken out, while the words 'hundreds of years after' has been added.

Now the word 'day' can mean whatever length of time One wishes it to mean. Is this correct?
 

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Addressing the OP, true, and agreed.

for a God DAY is not a solar 24 hour day, nor as to work, John 11:9 "Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world."

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101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
 

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Hi 101G. Good to see you again.
 

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This is done all over the holy writings by many people; especially the ones in the worldly “churches”.

Nothing new.

The inspirer of this practice is Satan; he was the first one to do it with Eve.
 

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I wish to further clarify my position.

In the context of Genesis 2:17, I believe 'Day' means Day. In other words, not a week, month, year, age, etc. I like what @101G pointed out about a Day being twelve hours.

I believe 'Surely Die' means Surely Die. In other words, not a so called 'Spiritual Death', but rather a complete and total death. We are talking about two people that no longer have life in them. Their corpses lay on the ground rotting away.

Has any Church ever taught this?

If the answer is no, why not? If the answer is yes, post a link! :)
 

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Welcome to what I call...

"The Greatest Lie Ever Told"

And it all begins with Genesis 2:17.

Did God lie? Of course not, yet that is what the Church teaches. The Church will tell you to your face that Adam and his wife did NOT surely die. It was a 'Spiritual' death. They 'began to' die. Or, they died... just not on that day like God said they would.

You know who else proclaims these false teachings? The Serpent...

Genesis 3:4
"And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:"


The Church has sided with Satan. How about siding with God instead? We can begin now. It is never too late to be corrected. :)

Here is the shocking Truth...

Adam's First Wife Was Not Eve!

No, her name was not Lilith, it was Ishshah. Beautiful name right? Yet Ishshah has been censored and forgotten so that the Greatest Lie Ever Told could grow and prosper in the mind's of Christians everywhere.
 

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Introducing Adam's first Wife, Ishshah...

Genesis 2:23
"And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man."


When God created a new being out of Adam's Rib, Adam named this new creation Ishshah. Most Bibles translate that word into 'Woman'.

Here comes the sad part. Try not to cry. :(

Ishshah died.

How?

She partook of the Forbidden Fruit remember? God said Ishshah would die that very day, and that is precisely what happened. In fact, Adam died too.

The rest of the Creation Account is about how the couple were REINCARNATED into NEW BODIES.

Adam 2.0 kept the same name. Ishshah 2.0 however, was given a new name...

Genesis 3:20
"And Adam called his wife’s name Eve; because she was the mother of all living."


Thus, Eve became Adam's second Wife. ;)
 

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Two Creation Accounts?

Anyone who has read Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 knows that there are TWO Creation Accounts. Genesis 1 appears to be a general overview, while Genesis 2 focuses more on specific points and details. There is much controversy as to whether these two accounts agree with one another.

Some Scholars claim that the two stories are indeed contradictory due to the order in which Man was created.

Basically...
  • Genesis 1 appears to show Man was created *after* plants and animals.
  • Genesis 2 appears to show Man was created *before* plants and animals.
There are many teachings that attempt to resolve this supposed 'contradiction'. They all fall short however because they falsely assume Adam and his Wife did not surely die. They have all erred.

So which is it? Was Man created before or after plants and animals?

The answer is YES.
 

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So which is it? Was Man created before or after plants and animals?

The answer is YES.
For you see...
  • Adam 1.0 was created on the Third Day, before plants and animals were created.
  • Adam 1.0 partook of the Forbidden Fruit and died.
  • Adam 1.0 was reincarnated on the Sixth Day, becoming Adam 2.0 after plants and animals were created.
Is this blasphemy? No.

It is only by a plain reading of the Biblical text that these Truths are revealed. No adding, and no taking away.

Observe...

Genesis 2:4
"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,"


The above verse gives us the exact moment in time when Adam 1.0 was created. Remember, Day means Day. So what Day did God create the Earth and Heavens?

Day Three...

Genesis 1:9-10
"And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so."


"And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good."

So here we are on what appears to be Day Three. But how can we be absolutely, one hundred percent sure of this? Is there another Witness to help confirm if these things be True? Yes.

The next verse makes it absolutely clear on which Day God is about to make Adam 1.0 in...

Genesis 2:5
"And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground."


We are at the moment of time *before* God creates plants. Note that some Churches, in order to resolve the 'Two Creation Accounts Contradiction', teach that these particular plants were for the Garden only. However, in order to make that falsehood work, One must once again add unto the Word of God...

Genesis 2:4
"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the [six days] that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,"


Or how about...

Genesis 2:4
"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the [billions of years] that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,"


See that? A subtle changing of the Sacred Text can sound so convincing to those with 'itching ears'. Do not be deceived. Do not add unto, or take away from, the Word of God!
 

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Every Church, every Pastor, every Christian that I know of has added a word, or set of words, between 'surely' and 'die'...

Genesis 2:17
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely [.....................] die."


Here are the most common words, or sets of words, that are added...
  • Spiritually
  • Begin to
Some Christians teach: "...thou shalt surely [Spiritually] die"

Others teach: "...thou shalt surely [begin to] die"

I teach: "...thou shalt surely die"

Here is the ironic part...

I am not allowed to simply believe the verse as-is. I must 'add unto' the Word of God in order to be accepted into a Church or Forum.

Why is that?

Obviously, we run in different circles. I've never heard anything added there. My understanding based on what I've been taught is that they weren't going to die before that. Original sin brought death into the world. In 40+ years of attending church regularly, I've never heard the idea of it only being a "spiritual" death, but that it made death a certainty for them, when it wasn't before.
 

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Every Church, every Pastor, every Christian that I know of has added a word, or set of words, between 'surely' and 'die'...

Genesis 2:17
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely [.....................] die."


Here are the most common words, or sets of words, that are added...
  • Spiritually
  • Begin to
Some Christians teach: "...thou shalt surely [Spiritually] die"

Others teach: "...thou shalt surely [begin to] die"

I teach: "...thou shalt surely die"

Here is the ironic part...

I am not allowed to simply believe the verse as-is. I must 'add unto' the Word of God in order to be accepted into a Church or Forum.

Why is that?
I've never heard anybody add to that passage. Maybe it's a US thing.
 

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Every Church, every Pastor, every Christian that I know of has added a word, or set of words, between 'surely' and 'die'...

Genesis 2:17
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely [.....................] die."


Here are the most common words, or sets of words, that are added...
  • Spiritually
  • Begin to
Some Christians teach: "...thou shalt surely [Spiritually] die"

Others teach: "...thou shalt surely [begin to] die"

I teach: "...thou shalt surely die"

Here is the ironic part...

I am not allowed to simply believe the verse as-is. I must 'add unto' the Word of God in order to be accepted into a Church or Forum.

Why is that?

Unto...is a preposition, intended to relate an action to a specific entity.

Everything in Scriptural Knowledge,
Is geared Toward Everything being understood ...

Unto, By and For the Lord God Almighty.

(What you Example as words added...ya...um no, never heard that and don't agree with that.)
 

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In 40+ years of attending church regularly, I've never heard the idea of it only being a "spiritual" death, but that it made death a certainty for them, when it wasn't before.
Sounds like this would fit into Post #2...
Genesis 2:17
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the
[hundreds of years after] thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."
 

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Unto...is a preposition, intended to relate an action to a specific entity.
Here is the main point of the OP...

Deuteronomy 4:2
"Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you."

(What you Example as words added...ya...um no, never heard that and don't agree with that.)

How should we interpret Genesis 2:17?

So far we have...
  • Spiritual Death
  • Began to die
  • Death is certain
Did we miss any?
 

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I am not allowed to simply believe the verse as-is. I must 'add unto' the Word of God in order to be accepted into a Church or Forum.
To believe the verse as is means to believe what the Bible has to say about death. There is physical death and there is also "the second death" (eternal separation from God). So unless you are prepared to accept what the Bible has to say about death, you will continue to be confused. BTW Adam did not drop death on the day that he ate of the forbidden fruit. So there's your clue.
 

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Here is the main point of the OP...

Deuteronomy 4:2
"Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you."



How should we interpret Genesis 2:17?

So far we have...
  • Spiritual Death
  • Began to die
  • Death is certain
Did we miss any?

Gen 2:
[17] But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Going back 6,000 years...
First man, Adult body, Limited knowledge, as a little child who has entered the world, with no experience, history, examples to consider.

The concept is the same how we treat and Direct a babe/child...love, tender, comfort, teach good, give them what is ok for them, then warn what they shouldn't have or do, stand back observe, intervene.

It's WHAT we warn ABOUT, that is puzzling...
* don't touch an outlet, it could kill you.
* don't God near the stairs, you could die.
* don't go near the Street, you could die.

It's puzzling ... Because they know not what killed is, or how or why, that is something they could get...and what it would mean IF they got killed.

Advancing in Scripture, we find, a man's experience with Death, and more knowledge given them.

Body, grows, knowledge, wisdom increases, aging, Energy, power, decreases.
Death- cecession of Bodily life. Beginning to Stink, Rot, Decay. Cover with dirt. Uncovered? Flesh, gone, bones still can be seen.

Learning...Body Dies...But something within the man does not die...what is that? What becomes of that something, when the body dies?

Now, with a history of 6,000 years And more
Knowledge...

God has (seeds).
From Gods seeds...things develop when planted.
The thing, that develops, is given a body, as God CREATES (forms).
The thing, is given Life, from Gods Breath, that MAKES (Alive)
God called the thing, by a description.

The Created thing- from a seed- planted- dust
Created Form- called Body
Body- called man(KIND) of thing.
Made Alive- with Gods Breath
Body's Life- called Blood
Soul's Life- called Gods Breath
Body + Soul Together called...an Alive Living man KIND of thing.

Body Dies- body's Life (blood) dies-
(Returns to Dust)
Gods Breath is Gods, is God, God is not subject to Death.
God does not Live in Dead things.
Gods Life in the soul, departs ... (leaves body)
leaves what?
A dead body? No
A Dying body? Yes

And Where does this Soul with Gods Breath IN it Go?

Depends ON Era in the generations of ancient man...and men who have lived, establishing, history, knowledge, experience...and men of later generations, "who" pay attention and become WISE, from the knowledge, history and experiences of Ancient men.

The Body does...men can see, smell, and quickly Cover a dead body in dirt.

The LIVING Soul, departs the Body...
• Goes to where God SENDS it, to a place God has prepared.
* to a place (similar) to the Garden of Eden...
(The first man Was Created Outside of the Garden...then PUT/sent) into the Garden, with God)

Same concept with the departed Living Soul.
Sent to a place, of comfort, good, (the life sustaining TREE OF LIFE Present).
(This is...Called...Paradise)
This IS where the Departed Living Souls Are SENT, of Body's, that Believed IN God)

And the bodies of men....that Did NOT, believe in God?
Where do their DEPARTED Living SOULS GO?
(Separated ...from God in Bodily Life...)
Also Their Departed Living Souls ...Sent to a place Separated from God, (and His comforts and goodness).

"Any Separation" from God, Is "called" a Death.
"A" Body without blood flowing, results in a bodily death.
"a" Living soul, without God, is called a Death.
To date...many bodies have died.
Many bodies are Alive, physically, but separated from God, thus Dead.
All Souls, in or departed from bodies... are Still Living Souls...
Some With God,
Some separated from God.

It's ORDER and WAY concerning DEATH, pertaining to every single individual man.
Physical (SEEN) Death and Spiritual (UNSEEN) Death.

Glory to God,
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Every Church, every Pastor, every Christian that I know of has added a word, or set of words, between 'surely' and 'die'...

Why is that?

Death is is difficult Subject to teach.
A pastor...has a congregation...individual's OF every age, gender, Beginning to Wise knowledge...

It like a Physics teacher trying in 45 minutes to teach a 10 year old and Science university grad on the Same topic.

To include the Youngest (in a whole group) requires using concepts, examples the youngest can relate to.

God Bless,
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