Once Saved Always Saved

[Michiah-Imla]

Your theology is darkness, pretending to be truth, but your anti-Cross theology, is indeed dark.

Not my theology:

Hear what the scriptures say:

Hebrews 10:26-27
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Colossians 1:21-23
And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: IF YE CONTINUE in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel

Romans 11:22-23
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, IF THOU CONTINUE in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

 

[Addy]

I have come to understand that salvation is a process that takes place over time. And since God is doing the saving and he never gives up, then salvation can never be lost.

I believe that you and I are on the same page about many things... I just want clarification on this quote of yours...

Do you not mean sanctification is a process that takes place over time? Or do you actually mean salvation is worked on through-out your life...
( meaning... it is not a gift given in one lump sum at the time of conversion but accomplished by different steps in our lives?? )....

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Justbyfaith is explaining to you that The Blood of Jesus redeems him from all sin

But the Bible says all PAST sins!

Romans 3:25
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are PAST, through the forbearance of God

2 Peter 1:9
But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

But maybe @justbyfaith will have a “more accurate” rendering of his own...

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Christ told you "be careful that the light in you is not darkness".
This means that when you believe what is not truth, you have an inner darkness that you believe is Light.

Once Saved Always Saved and forgiveness of future sins is not truth.

 

[Taken]

Note: He NEVER said that the bread He will OFFER is my flesh, or which He will OFFER for the life of the world! Rather the verse stipulates the word is "give."


This speaks about sacrifices and offerings in the Old Testament. That is, Jesus is the ultimate sacrifice (offering) once and for all.



This must be read in light of Romans 3:10-11...if God's assessment of the human race is such, who then will BELIEVE and ASK? No one, Not any, Nada, Zilch, Zero!



FALSE! Read John 15:16



If God looks in the corridor of life (if there is such a thing) He will find a human race that are dirty rotten sinners!



Answer: Ro.3:11




“Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you." John 15:16



Not according to Romans 3:11 where we read: "There is NONE that understand, there is NONE that SEEKS after God."

To God Be The Glory

Scripture harmonizes with itself.
Jesus Gave His Flesh Body.
Jesus Offered His giving to All men.
You have nothing to Do with His Act of Giving.
You can Act, and Accept His Offer, or not.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[justbyfaith]

Heretics

The reason why you are focused on what you deem heretics, is because you are the resident heretic of these forums. You see a speck in your brothers' eyes but there is a beam in your own eye. (Matthew 7:1-5, Luke 6:41-42).

Once Saved Always Saved and forgiveness of future sins is not truth.

The sin that I commit five minutes from now will be in the past five minutes and 1 second from now. Is this not a statement of truth?

Of course, it may be necessary to confess that sin 5 minutes and 1 second from now in order to be forgiven...at least, as concerning koinoneia / fellowship...

For it is considered to be sound Christian doctrine that our position in Christ is not affected by whether we sin. That it is our relationship that is affected (in Isaiah 59:2). And the Lord will also chasten you (Hebrews 12:5-11).

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Of course, it may be necessary to confess that sin 5 minutes and 1 second from now in order to be forgiven..

Oh, so do we make this scripture void with repeated confession?:

Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

For it is considered to be sound Christian doctrine that our position in Christ is not affected by whether we sin.

You statement is heretical, for the scripture says:

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin

1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil

 

[justbyfaith]

Oh, so do we make this scripture void with repeated confession?:

Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Do you think that the specific sins mentioned here can never be forgiven?

 

[justbyfaith]

You statement is heretical, for the scripture says:

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin

1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil

I didn't say that I wholeheartedly agreed with that doctrine; only that it is considered to be sound doctrine in many Christian circles.

You should probably also consider Romans 6:14, Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19, Romans 7:6 as they are compared to Romans 4:15 and 1 John 3:4 (kjv); as well as Romans 5:13.

1Jo 3:4, Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Do you think that the specific sins mentioned here can never be forgiven?

Not if committed willfully as a born again person.

But the scriptures says:

1 John 3:15
Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

 

[justbyfaith]

Not if committed willfully as a born again person. But unbelief and murder: never for anyone.

But the scriptures says:

1 John 3:15
Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

Can you reiterate that please? It is unclear to me what you are saying.

 

[justbyfaith]

But the scriptures says:

1 John 3:15
Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

If someone confesses murder and then gives their heart to Christ, can they be redeemed so that they are not a murderer anymore and therefore are forgiven?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Can you reiterate that please? It is unclear to me what you are saying.

The scriptures are clear that a lost person can be forgiven of all their sins that are in the past. Then they must endure to the end in obeying the Lords commandments. Any willful disobedience will disqualify them.

That’s all.

 

[justbyfaith]

If someone has unbelief but turns from that unbelief and begins to have faith, does their former unbelief exclude them from the kingdom?

 

[justbyfaith]

The scriptures are clear that a lost person can be forgiven of all their sins that are in the past. Then they must endure to the end in obeying the Lords commandments. Any willful disobedience will disqualify them.

That’s all.

If someone believes that they are a Christian but commits murder in the future, I believe that indicates they were never a believer.

But does the fact that they became a Christian and then committed future sins mean that they cannot be forgiven of their future sins once they are past?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

If someone has unbelief but turns from that unbelief and begins to have faith, does their former unbelief exclude them from the kingdom?

No.

But we are not talking about first time believers. The subject is about a believer becoming lost.

 

[justbyfaith]

No.

But we are not talking about first time believers. The subject is about a believer becoming lost.

See post #236 (Once Saved Always Saved).

 

[Michiah-Imla]

If someone believes that they are a Christian but commits murder in the future, I believe that indicates they were never a believer.

But does the fact that they became a Christian and then committed future sins mean that they cannot be forgiven of their future sins once they are past?

But here’s the problem:

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin

Any future sin will indicate that you were never born again to begin with. The one who sins in the future has not crucified the flesh (Galatians 5:24) and was born of corruptible seed (1 Peter 1:23).

 

[justbyfaith]

But here’s the problem:

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin

Any future sin will indicate that you were never born again to begin with. The one who sins in the future has not crucified the flesh (Galatians 5:24) and was born of corruptible seed (1 Peter 1:23).

So that would indicate that if you sin in the future you are not a Christian.

So then, as an unbeliever, can you not be forgiven of your past sins? Even though you thought you were a Christian and the sins that you committed were future to what you thought was a conversion?

Keeping in mind that the sins that you commit five minutes from now will be in the past 5 minutes and 1 second from now; and that this is basically a true statement.