Illuminator
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I have Blacklit and Ferris Bueller on ignore because they offer no intelligent rebuttal to my posts, especially posts #1488, 1490, and 1492. Just stupid, childish insults.
No authority!
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oh I agree
but in reality they have no substantial response, only protests, accusations, and attacks! Truth in a fundamentalist is not required!
I have Blacklit and Ferris Bueller on ignore because they offer no intelligent rebuttal to my posts, especially posts #1488, 1490, and 1492. Just stupid, childish insults.
protestantism is nothing more than a study club with fellowship!
And covid has pretty much killed the fellowship
Illuminator
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Not so fast. There are good fruits found in Protestantism, just as there are good fruits found in Catholicism. Sadly, anti-Catholics and anti-Protestants can only point to the ones that aren't living and practicing the faith, and never did in the first place.
Rebellion to God given human authority is part of the fallen nature. That's why anti-Catholics have no unity, they can't agree among themselves on almost anything.
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And that's where you're wrong.
Just because YOU reject the God-given Authority of Christ's Church - doesn't make it "untrue". In fact, all it means is that YOU'VE put YOUR conditions on God - instead of the other way around. This Authority is supreme - that WHATEVER His Church declares on earth will also be declared in Heaven.
Remember - Christ's Church isn't an "institution of men" - it's . . .
- The Body of Christ and He is the Head (1 Cor. 12:12-31, Eph. 4:3-6, Col. 1:8)
- The Body that Jesus identifies His very SELF with His Church (Acts 9:4-5)
- The Light of the world (Matt. 5:14)
- The Pillar and Foundation of Truth (1 Tim. 3:15)
- The FULLNESS of Christ (Eph. 1:22-23)
- HIS representation on earth - and whoever rejects His Church rejects HIM (Luke 10:16) (good luck with that)
And, Jesus promised His Church that the Holy Spirit would guide her to ALL Truth (John 16:12-15).
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So, per Matt. 16:15-18 - say, you do what is instructed and take 2 or 3 witnesses with you to confront the one who sinned against you.
WHERE do you go from there? Jesus said that the next step was to take it to the CHURCH - the final earthly Auhority.
I eagerly await your Biblically sound response . . .
Ferris Bueller
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No one is against leadership in the church. We're against YOUR supposed leadership in the church and what they insist only they can do. We don't need to go through the Catholic priesthood to get to God. That's the point you seem oblivious to. All believers have direct access to Jesus and the Father now through the new way of faith. The old way of mortal priest has been set aside. No man is necessary to facilitate a relationship with God anymore. That's what the New Covenant is ALL about. Get with the new program! God set aside the corrupt system of weak, mortal man being the required link between Himself and his people. Christ is the new required link between God and man. No Catholic priesthood necessary. They have usurped Christ's priesthood by saying you can only get to God through them. That's the very corruption Jesus himself put an end to.
(so-called reformation)
That’s called rebellion not reformation!
No authority to start new churches Matt 16:18 only Christ has this authority
He is the only mediator!
Where is your outrage on this gross attempt to usurp His authority, the authority of him being the only mediator?????????
Where’s the biblical mandate for a reformation
Christ founded the one true church and it cannot be reformed
divine revelation is from God and is immutable cannot be reformed
it is the truth!
what authority did the so-called reformers have?
They admit that they have no authority themselves for they say the Bible is the only authority!
they have no authority to say that the Bible is the only authority, but in saying it they admit freely that they have no authority, only the apostles have authority!
Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18
Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.
Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.
Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments
That’s called rebellion not reformation!
No authority to start new churches Matt 16:18 only Christ has this authority
He is the only mediator!
Where is your outrage on this gross attempt to usurp His authority, the authority of him being the only mediator?????????
Where’s the biblical mandate for a reformation
Christ founded the one true church and it cannot be reformed
divine revelation is from God and is immutable cannot be reformed
it is the truth!
what authority did the so-called reformers have?
They admit that they have no authority themselves for they say the Bible is the only authority!
they have no authority to say that the Bible is the only authority, but in saying it they admit freely that they have no authority, only the apostles have authority!
Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18
Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.
Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.
Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments
Ferris Bueller
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Projection is one of the premier signs you are dealing with a not so good person.
it’s all about spiritual anarchy now! Get with it!
everyone has a personal covenant with God!
Ferris Bueller
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You'd have a point if the Catholic church somehow represented the one true church.
Where? where? where is your outrage on this gross attempt to usurp His authority, the authority of him being the only mediator?????????
(so-called reformation)
That’s called rebellion not reformation!
No authority to start new churches Matt 16:18 only Christ has this authority
He is the only mediator!
Where is your outrage on this gross attempt to usurp His authority, the authority of him being the only mediator?????????
Where’s the biblical mandate for a reformation
Christ founded the one true church and it cannot be reformed
divine revelation is from God and is immutable cannot be reformed
it is the truth!
what authority did the so-called reformers have?
They admit that they have no authority themselves for they say the Bible is the only authority!
they have no authority to say that the Bible is the only authority, but in saying it they admit freely that they have no authority, only the apostles have authority!
Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18
Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.
Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.
Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments
Ferris Bueller
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Why would I trade in my personal relationship with God that I have now and fall back to only being able to reach God through a priest?
That's right. That's why we don't need a Catholic priest to connect with God anymore.
Ferris Bueller
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The church is composed of every person who comes directly to God through faith in the Sacrifice of Jesus. They are spread out to the four corners of the earth in many denominations, including the Catholic church. I'm of the opinion that there is no denomination, including the Catholic denomination, that accurately represents the true church of God at this time in history.
Ferris Bueller
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cos you have no personal salvation
There is only one mediator and one covenant
cos that’s how Christ founded His church on priesthood!
heb 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
not biblical
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Ephesians 1:13
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
2 Corinthians 5:18
And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
Paul disagrees with you
Personal salvation verses common salvation
Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
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