No authority!

[justbyfaith]

6. The Church NEVER sold indulgences. this was an ABUSE that was comitted by a few people like Johann Tetzel in Germany.
Do your homework.

From Wikipedia:

Protestant Reformation[edit]

Tetzel's coffer, on display at the St. Nikolai church in Jüterbog
The scandalous conduct of the "pardoners" was an immediate occasion of the Protestant Reformation.[3] In 1517, Pope Leo X offered indulgences for those who gave alms to rebuild St. Peter's Basilica in Rome. The aggressive marketing practices of Johann Tetzel in promoting this cause provoked Martin Luther to write his Ninety-five Theses, condemning what he saw as the purchase and sale of salvation. In Thesis 28 Luther objected to a saying attributed to Tetzel: "As soon as a coin in the coffer rings, a soul from purgatory springs".[42] The Ninety-five Theses not only denounced such transactions as worldly but denied the Pope's right to grant pardons on God's behalf in the first place: the only thing indulgences guaranteed, Luther said, was an increase in profit and greed, because the pardon of the Church was in God's power alone.
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It was not only Johann Tetzel that offered indulgences, but Pope Leo X.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

saint Alphonse Lugori doctor of the church
Glories of Mary interpretation of many scriptures concerning Mary!

with many commentaries

Example:


THE Holy Church justly honors the great Vir gin Mary, and would have her honored by all men with the glorious title of queen, because she has been elevated to the dignity of mother of the King of kings. If the Son is king, says St. Athan- asius, his mother must necessarily be considered and entitled queen.* From the moment that Mary consented, adds St. Bernardine of Sienna, to become the mother of the Eternal Word, she merited the title of queen of the world and all creatures. f If the flesh of Mary, says St. Arnold, abbot, was the flesh of Jesus, how can the moth er be separated from the Son in his kingdom?

The eternal Father constituted Jesus Christ king of justice, and therefore made him the universal judge of the world; hence the prophet sang: & “Give to the king thy judgment, Oh God; and to the king s son thy justice.” Here a learned interpreter takes up the subject, and says: Oh Lord, thou hast given to thy Son thy justice, because thou hast given to the mother of the king thy mercy And St. Bonaventure happily varies the passage above quoted by saying: Givetothekingthyjudgment,OhGod, and to his mother thy mercy. || Ernest, Arch bishop of Prague, also says, that the eternal Father has given to the Son the office of judging and punishing, and to the mother the office of
* Regnum Dei consistit in potestate et misericordia; potestateDeo remanente, cessit quodammodo misericordise pars matri regnanti. Psal. iii. Tr. 4th, S. Magn.
t Quando filium Dei in utero concepit, et post modum peperit, dimidiam pattern regni Dei impetravit, ut ipsa sit regina misericordiae, nt Christus est rex justitiae.
Deus judicium tuum regi da; et justitiam tuam filio regis. Peal. fexi. 2.5 QuiamisericordiamtuamdedistiMatriRegi.
Deus judicium tuum regi da, et misericordiam tuam matri
Ijus.

GLORIES OF MARY. 29
compassionating and relieving the wretched.* Therefore the Prophet David predicted that God himself, if I may thus express it, would consecrate Mary queen of mercy, anointing her with the oil of gladness,! in order that all of us
miserable children of Adam might rejoice in the thought of having in heaven that great queen, so full of the unction of mercy and pity for us; as St. Bonaventure says: Oh Mary, so full of the unction of mercy and the oil of pity, that God has anointed thee with the oil of gladness !


Doctrine of St. Francis of Sales upon Devotion to Mary.

HOLY Church, speaking of the most Blessed Virgin, says that she went up from the desert of
this world flowing with delights, leaning upon her Beloved. In fact, all the praises bestowed upon
the Saints, and upon Mary in particular, terminate in Christ our Lord ; because all these praises should be directed to the glory of her Divine Son, Who led her by His grace to the most exalted
degree of merit and happiness.
It is related in Scripture that the Queen of Saba,
taking a multitude of gifts to Jerusalem, offered themalltoSolomon. ItisthusthatalltheSaints
act and the Mother of God especially. She is ever attentive to recognise that her virtues, her
perfections, her merits, and her happiness proceed from the mercy of her Divine Son, Who is alone
their source, their origin, and perfection : Soli Deo honor et gloria. All honour and glory to God alone ; all should return to Him, because from
Him alone is every perfect gift.

27As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and blessed are the breasts that nursed You!”28But He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.” Luke 11:27-28
​

Do you hear it? Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it. What counts is how you live, not what you think about things like the nature of Mary, how to perform ceremonies correctly, etc. You think you solicit God's approval through believing correctly in those matters, but you don't. You get God's approval by how you guard your life and how you treat other people according to the fruit of the Spirit.

15For neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything. What counts is a new creation.16 Peace and mercy to all who walk by this rule... Galatians 6:15-16
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You're lost in meaningless, cold, dead 'religion' until you get this truth down in your Spirit. When you do, you will be among the few who find and walk on the narrow road that leads to life. Most Christians never shake off the trappings of their 'religious' activities and beliefs that they think constitutes proper and correct believing in God.

 

[Illuminator]

150 Reasons Why I Became (and Remain) a Catholic

 

[theefaith]

27As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and blessed are the breasts that nursed You!”28But He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.” Luke 11:27-28
​

Do you hear it? Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it. What counts is how you live, not what you think about things like the nature of Mary, how to perform ceremonies correctly, etc. You think you solicit God's approval through believing correctly in those matters, but you don't. You get God's approval by how you guard your life and how you treat other people according to the fruit of the Spirit.

15For neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything. What counts is a new creation.16 Peace and mercy to all who walk by this rule... Galatians 6:15-16
​

You're lost in meaningless, cold, dead 'religion' until you get this truth down in your Spirit. When you do, you will be among the few who find and walk on the narrow road that leads to life. Most Christians never shake off the trappings of their 'religious' activities and beliefs that they think constitutes proper and correct believing in God.

Jesus is glorifying His blessed

27As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and blessed are the breasts that nursed You!”28But He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.” Luke 11:27-28
​

Do you hear it? Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it. What counts is how you live, not what you think about things like the nature of Mary, how to perform ceremonies correctly, etc. You think you solicit God's approval through believing correctly in those matters, but you don't. You get God's approval by how you guard your life and how you treat other people according to the fruit of the Spirit.

15For neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything. What counts is a new creation.16 Peace and mercy to all who walk by this rule... Galatians 6:15-16
​

You're lost in meaningless, cold, dead 'religion' until you get this truth down in your Spirit. When you do, you will be among the few who find and walk on the narrow road that leads to life. Most Christians never shake off the trappings of their 'religious' activities and beliefs that they think constitutes proper and correct believing in God.

Does this somehow change scripture and make Mary not blessed?

lk 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

lk 1:48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

the Lord is glorifying His mother, no one has done God’s will more than Her!

lk 1:45 And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.

and the Christian religion is only the practice of faith hope and charity

 

[theefaith]

These too

Biblical Mary


Mother of God Lk 1:43
Immaculate conception (sinless) gen 3:15 enmity or total war none of satans works are found in Mary
Also Lk 1:28 full of grace lk 1:49 great things plural (immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus) Lk 1:30 found favor with God (the salvation lost by Adam) mother of our salvation Lk 2:30
Perpetual Virgin Isa 7:14 matt 1:21 Lk 1:31-34

Queen of heaven
In the line of david’s kingdom the mother of the king is always queen
Jesus is king Lk 1:32-33
And king of heaven so Mary is queen of heaven

A Royal greeting!

Lk 1:28 is the only place in the Bible where such a greeting takes place!
Mary is of the tribe of Judah and the royal house of David the king!

God himself is greeting Mary thru the instrument of the angel Gabriel!

This is a Royal greeting of the queen of heaven and earth! Queen of the angels and saints! Mary is of the house of king David!

In the line of king David the mother of the king is the queen, as Jesus Christ is the king of heaven and earth and the angels and saints so Mary is the queen of the same! Lk 1:32-33

Lk 1:28 And the angel entered to her, and said, Hail, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed be thou among women.
29 And when she had heard, she was troubled in his word, and thought what manner salutation this was.
30 And the angel said to her, Dread thou not, Mary, for thou hast found grace with God.

Mary is queen in rev 12:1 and heb 4:16
Mother of divine grace

Mary is our spiritual mother


Mary is the Mother of the living in Christ and the new creation!

Genesis 3:20
And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

John 19:26-27
When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith has he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

Jesus is not just asking John to care for His mother, if so He would have said so.

Jesus is in the very least making Mary John’s spiritual mother! And if the apostle John needs a spiritual mother so do we!
What is the family of God without a mother? The mother is the heart of the family! Jesus said I will not leave you orphans! Jn 14:18 He proved Mary the mother of one disciple then He does so for all disciples!

As eve was the mother of all the living in the first creation, gen 3:20 so Mary is the mother of all those who live in Christ and the new creation!

Rev 12:17 our spiritual mother!

Rachel is spiritual mother of Israel!
A type of Mary as spiritual mother of Christians!

The 12 sons of Jacob have 4 biological mothers, but Rachel is the spiritual mother of all Israel!

Matt 2:18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are no more.

Ark of the new covenant!
The dwelling place of God!
God dwelt in Mary’s womb for 9 months, remember the ark was incorruptible wood covered with pure gold signifying Mary’s immaculate purity!
read exodus or any place in the Old Testament where something came into contact with God or was consecrated to the service of God it had to be pure and Holy!
In the ark was the word of God!
In Mary the new ark is the living Word!
In the ark was the mana!
In Mary was the bread come down from heaven! Jn 6
Bethlehem means house to of bread!

Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Matt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, (Isa 7:14) and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Jn 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

 

[Illuminator]

27As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and blessed are the breasts that nursed You!”28But He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.” Luke 11:27-28​

The woman in the crowd couldn't contain herself. "Blessed" is in harmony with Luke 1:42. I think she knew the story about Mary greeting Elizabeth some 30 years prior, before Luke wrote it down.
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Do you hear it? Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it. What counts is how you live, not what you think about things like the nature of Mary, how to perform ceremonies correctly, etc. You think you solicit God's approval through believing correctly in those matters, but you don't. You get God's approval by how you guard your life and how you treat other people according to the fruit of the Spirit.

Rather does not mean "contrary to". It's both/and, not the Calvinistic either/or. Pitting verse 27 against verse 26 creates a false dichotomy. Jesus is using His mother as a model of faith, because she did the will of God perfectly. He elevates all who do the will of God to her status, (this is the essence of all Catholic Marian devotion, which draws us closer to Jesus, or it's a false devotion) He is not putting His mother down in any way. If He is, then He would be violating the 4th Commandment.

Yes, how you live your life and treat other people counts. This is also essential to Catholic teaching, if you would only open your eyes.

You're lost in meaningless, cold, dead 'religion' until you get this truth down in your Spirit. When you do, you will be among the few who find and walk on the narrow road that leads to life. Most Christians never shake off the trappings of their 'religious' activities and beliefs that they think constitutes proper and correct believing in God.

To argue that Catholicism is untrue because it doesn't transform the lives of those who don't practice it, is like arguing that aspirin doesn't work because it doesn't relieve the headaches of those who don't take it.

Actually, it's an individual (not a church) that's supposed to produce good fruit. A church can only proclaim the Gospel and introduce people to the One Who alone can make them bear fruit, but it can't make people believe its teachings, and it can't make people live its life. Good fruit, then, is how we tell if an individual is a faithful disciple. The fact is, you can find plenty of good fruit in the Catholic Church, and you can find plenty of good fruit in the various Protestant churches, too. And that's because the secret to bearing fruit is to have a living, vital relationship with Jesus Christ, who is the source of all grace and life. And because the Catholic Church has been endowed with the fullness of the means of grace that Christ established, a Catholic is able to have the closest possible relationship with Jesus, including even the reality of physical communion with Him.

But notice I say, "is able to have," not "is guaranteed to have." There are indeed plenty of people who call themselves Catholic, but who refuse to believe the Church's teachings, refuse to obey its precepts, and refuse to live the life it calls them to live. Not surprisingly, these people aren't magically converted into living saints just by walking through the Church door. So, if you want to look for fruit, be sure you look on the tree. You can't expect to find fruit on the dried-up branches that have severed themselves from the tree, and that are strewn all about it. I'll be the first to admit that the Catholic faith doesn't work if you don't practice it. It doesn't work by osmosis, or by genetics, or by proximity. You actually have to believe it, and live it. You have to have a living relationship with the Lord Jesus in order to bear fruit, and many "Catholics" have rejected that relationship, despite being given every opportunity to embrace it.

The Church only claims to announce the Good News of Jesus Christ, and it invites everyone to embrace the life of grace He offers. It does not claim that people who spurn its teachings and reject its life will be transformed into faithful disciples anyway. Nor does it claim that being born to Catholic parents guarantees that a person will inherit his parents' faith. If you want to see the fruit of the Catholic faith, you have to look at the people who are committed to the faith, who take it seriously and put it into practice every day. It's pointless to look at those who are cultural Catholics only, who say they're Catholic if you ask them, but who don't try to live the life, even though they may go to Mass out of habit, or guilt, or whatever. People aren't magically transformed into good Christians just by walking into a Catholic church (even if they do it every week). Repentance and conversion of heart are the keys to the Christian life. Without them, everything else is sterile and false, whether one calls oneself "Catholic" or not.

How Can Catholicism Be True When Catholics Are So Dead?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Jesus is all wisdom.
He is indeed the Way and the Truth and the Life.
Jesus is Eternal Life.
Jesus is Grace and Salvation and The Resurrection.
Truth exists, because God/Christ/HS , who are the TRUTH... exit.

What isn't the truth, is "born again by water", as your water cult teaches according to the "cult of the Virgin's" demonic bible that created this doctrine of Devil's blasphemy against the Gospel , that you teach.

Yup - Jesus is TRUTH itself - and His Church is the FULLNESS of Him, according to the Holy Spirit speaking through Paul's pen (Eph. 1:22-23).

When YOU reject that - you have rejected HIM and the ONE Who sent HIM (Luke 10:16) . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

As it appears to be for you as well. YOu are half right.

the Pharisees knew Jesus was Messiah, but rejected HIm. Blaspemy of the spirit is not final impenitence of an individual, but was a national sin that only the nation of Israel could commit.

IN CONTEXT, the sin was accussing Jesus of exrcism by using demonic spirits. He announced judgment agains t THAT GENERATION! And that judgment was meted out in 70 AD as Jesus expounded in Luke 21.

This is a perverted teaching.

We are all INDIVIDUALLY responsible for our sin.
We cannot blame a nation for having sinned on our behalf.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Just so you know, I was Catholic. I left when I was ordered to either recant some teachings, leave, or face a dominican tribunal for heresy.

I had studied for the priesthood, still have a full catholic catechism and a catholic action family bible with loads of things the church taught as late as 1940 when the Bible was published. I know what I talk of!

You were a nominal Catholic who left the Catholic Church because of ignorance - and nothing more.

Judging by the asinine things you claim inb your posts - you know almost NOTHING about what the Church teaches and I've proven you wrong on just about EVERY point.
So in short - NO, you don't know what you speak of.

 

[BreadOfLife]

From Wikipedia:

Protestant Reformation[edit]

Tetzel's coffer, on display at the St. Nikolai church in Jüterbog
The scandalous conduct of the "pardoners" was an immediate occasion of the Protestant Reformation.[3] In 1517, Pope Leo X offered indulgences for those who gave alms to rebuild St. Peter's Basilica in Rome. The aggressive marketing practices of Johann Tetzel in promoting this cause provoked Martin Luther to write his Ninety-five Theses, condemning what he saw as the purchase and sale of salvation. In Thesis 28 Luther objected to a saying attributed to Tetzel: "As soon as a coin in the coffer rings, a soul from purgatory springs".[42] The Ninety-five Theses not only denounced such transactions as worldly but denied the Pope's right to grant pardons on God's behalf in the first place: the only thing indulgences guaranteed, Luther said, was an increase in profit and greed, because the pardon of the Church was in God's power alone.
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It was not only Johann Tetzel that offered indulgences, but Pope Leo X.

And YOUR problem was going to an unreliable source like Wikipedia for Church history.

Can YOU or Wikipedia produce the document promulgated by Leo X that instituted the "Selling" of Indulgences?
Talk to me when you have REAL proof . . .

 

[justbyfaith]

And YOUR problem was going to an unreliable source like Wikipedia for Church history.

Can YOU or Wikipedia produce the document promulgated by Leo X that instituted the "Selling" of Indulgences?
Talk to me when you have REAL proof . . .

Of course it is an unreliable source...

Because it contradicts your point of view.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Does this somehow change scripture and make Mary not blessed?

No. It makes her not blessed in the way the Catholic church says she is blessed. You've exalted her to cult status. Which adds no value to Christianity whatsoever. It's all about Jesus. No one else.

 

[Wrangler]

Using the dictionary is beneficial as it will give you a better vocabulary.

You do not seem to grasp the purpose of a translation.

 

[Wrangler]

Does this somehow change scripture and make Mary not blessed?

The NLT puts it this way:
28 Jesus replied, “But even more blessed are all who hear the word of God and put it into practice.”

Do you grasp the difference between MORE and LESS? Mary was less blessed for birthing the Messiah than everyone who hears the word of God (and puts it into practice).

 

[Wrangler]

Paul is not talking about words; he is talking about the promise of a Sabbath Rest.

Are they Paul's words or the words of the Holy Spirit of God? If you read St Augustine, you would know that revealed truth does not have to come from the intent of the words that birthed the revelation to the hearer/reader by the power of the HS. If you have not experienced what I am talking about, what a shame.

Ravi Zacharias gave a testimony that upon hearing a priest in India read to him at deaths door, John 14:19-21, it changed the trajectory of his life. I believe Luther had a similar experience with a different verse and I with several others. It is not the objective meaning of the words but the power the HS gives to the subjective reader in their life at that moment.

Again, a pastor I talked to said he experience the word is alive this profound way also. He could read the same verse many times over the decades. All of a sudden he reads it and it is like a lightening bolt going through your soul to eternity.


Because I live, you will also live. 20 At that time, you will know that I am in the Father, you are in Me, and I am in you. 21 The one who loves Me will do the things I have commanded. My Father loves everyone who loves Me; and I will love you and reveal My heart, will, and nature to you.
John 14:19-21 (VOICE)

 

[theefaith]

No. It makes her not blessed in the way the Catholic church says she is blessed. You've exalted her to cult status. Which adds no value to Christianity whatsoever. It's all about Jesus. No one else.

No it about the communion of saints

 

[justbyfaith]

You do not seem to grasp the purpose of a translation.

So you don't have to use a dictionary?

You're not going to increase your vocabulary that way...

 

[BreadOfLife]

Of course it is an unreliable source...

Because it contradicts your point of view.

NEVER get your doctrinal information from Wikipedia or mainstream medeia.
You should know that there is an anti-Christian bias.

Besides, Wikipedia can be edited by ANYBODY. It's a good general source to use as a starting point - but NEVER for coming to a conclusion.
Noctice that it doesn't list any actual documents that support your/their false accusations about Leo X.

Do your homework . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

The NLT puts it this way:
28 Jesus replied, “But even more blessed are all who hear the word of God and put it into practice.”

Do you grasp the difference between MORE and LESS? Mary was less blessed for birthing the Messiah than everyone who hears the word of God (and puts it into practice).

HUH??

In Luke 11:28, Jesus told the woman in the crowd, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”
He was saying that His mother giving Him birth wasnt what blessed her - but her complete obedience in doing so, even at the risk of being stoned to death. HIS mother indeed heard the Word of God, and not only kept it - but gave BIRTH to it (John 1:14).

He was making His mother's obedience anf faith the STANDARD.

Where do YOU get the bizarre idea that He was knocking His mother?? Being the perfect Jew who observed the Law perfectly - He HONORED His mother and would never diminish her importance - even if anti-Catholics DO . . .

 

[Illuminator]

No. It makes her not blessed in the way the Catholic church says she is blessed. You've exalted her to cult status. Which adds no value to Christianity whatsoever. It's all about Jesus. No one else.

I see you refuse to be reasoned with. Even your uncharitable insults are false.
How old are you? 10? Grow up and knock off the pointless goading.
Post #646 destroys your cartoonish view of Catholicism so you are compelled to derail, again. Not understanding something is one thing, refusing to understand is something else. You have exalted anti-Catholicism to a religion, and for that you go on ignore.