Easy Refutation of TULIP.

[Jacob28]

Calvin spent his life constructing an ideology of Salvation which missed the entire heart of God as a provider of Restitution for rebellious mankind.

The key to understanding God's creative miracle of Salvation to Gentiles is from Paul in Acts 27 speaking to heathen Athenian Greeks. Paul later calls Gentile Salvation through Christ a "mystery," unimaginable to Angels and Prophets who knew only about God's demands for Righteousness and Judgement.

When speaking to the heathen Greeks, Paul spoke nothing of Hebrew Theology which used concepts of law through commandment, sin, spiritual rebirth, atonement with blood, election, hell punishment, Messianic prophecy, Divine love, hope in Christ.

By The Spirit, Paul stated they as ignorant Pagans could choose to come to God without even using the Name of Jesus, merely referring to Him in vs. 31 as "that man." Furthermore, Paul preached of nothing such as unmerited election, but rather spoke the Word of God regarding humans coming to God being "ara," translated in English Bible's as "haply" and "possibly." "Haply" has nothing to do with any preordained election by God.

In conclusion, the only predestination possible in Romans 8:29-30 is the Corporate Election of Christ's Church as His Body, not of individuals. Belief in individual predestination is the source of joyless insecurity, darkness, judgementalism, and absence of forbearance seen in Reformed denominations.

God's graciously creative exception to Corporate Election is the predestination of Christ Himself, and the election of individual Biblical Prophets.

 

[justbyfaith]

y The Spirit, Paul stated they as ignorant Pagans could choose to come to God without even using the Name of Jesus, merely referring to Him in vs. 31 as "that man."

The Bible does not teach that.

Act 4:10, Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
Act 4:11, This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
Act 4:12, Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

 

[Jacob28]

The Bible does not teach that.

Act 4:10, Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
Act 4:11, This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
Act 4:12, Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Yes. I fully agree

Thanks for reminding us of how Peter in vss. 4-5 limited the use of the Name of Jesus for speaking the Gospel to Jewish "Elders, Rulers, Scribes, High Priest, and other Jews." In that passage Peter was not preaching to Gentiles, but to Jews who knew all about Jesus. With the "boldness" (stated in vs. 13), Peter stuffed the name of Jesus whom they rejected and crucified into their faces.

In Godly humility with love, Paul in Acts 17 speaking to the Athenian Greeks was not "bold" as was Peter with the stiff necked Jews. Rather, Paul was polite and circumspect because of the Athenians' "ignorance." (vs.23) Paul even politely acknowledged their national identity as "Men of Athens" (vs. 22), rather than treating them as low heathen.

The name of Jesus is not a hammer. Neither is it a guaranteed ticket into Heaven. Faith in His death as the Son of God, the Propitiation of His Blood, and His Resurrection is Salvation.

Praise God for the detail of His Word which instructs us.

 

[justbyfaith]

The name of Jesus alone may not save a man; however the name of Jesus applied in water baptism does in fact have the power to save (1 Peter 3:20-21; Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39).

For baptism in water, in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, is an identification, symbolically, with the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ; and therefore it is a confession of Jesus that is more concrete than merely going forward at a service as we see happening in today's churches.

Jesus said,

Mat 10:32, Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

Therefore, however concretely you will confess Jesus before men, He will confess you before His Father and before His angels with the same level of concreteness.

Do you want Him to merely profess you or do you want Him to be completely immersed in affirming your discipleship?

 

[Jacob28]

The name of Jesus alone may not save a man; however the name of Jesus applied in water baptism does in fact have the power to save (1 Peter 3:20-21; Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39).

For baptism in water, in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, is an identification, symbolically, with the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ; and therefore it is a confession of Jesus that is more concrete than merely going forward at a service as we see happening in today's churches.

Jesus said,

Mat 10:32, Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

Therefore, however concretely you will confess Jesus before men, He will confess you before His Father and before His angels with the same level of concreteness.

Do you want Him to merely profess you or do you want Him to be completely immersed in affirming your discipleship?

 

[Jacob28]

Praise God Scripture is the authority upon God's Redemption, rather than tradition. This establishes God's Salvation apart from my opinion. Bless Him.

 

[ChristisGod]

sure thing jacob51

unlimited atonement is from the pit.

oops.....................

 

[Jacob28]

sure thing jacob51

unlimited atonement is from the pit.

oops.....................

 

[ChristisGod]

same poster, same threads, same bat station on different forums. nothing but anti calvinist threads.

busted.......................

 

[justbyfaith]

Unlimited Atonement is biblical (1 Timothy 2:4, 1 Timothy 2:6, 1 John 2:2, 2 Peter 3:9); while not every man is saved because he is given a free choice in the matter of whether or not he will surrender to the Lordship of Jesus Christ and be saved.

 

[ChristisGod]

Everyone except universalists limit the atonement in some way, shape or form.

Limited atonement is the teaching that Jesus died only for the elect. It is one of the five points of Calvinism, the L in the acronym “TULIP.” Many who hold to limited atonement prefer the term “particular redemption,” but to minimize confusion this article will use the term “limited atonement.” For a full explanation of what limited atonement is from a five-point Calvinistic perspective, please read our article on limited atonement, and for arguments supporting unlimited or universal atonement, please read our article on unlimited atonement.

Arminians and four-point Calvinists, or Amyraldians, believe that limited atonement, as just defined, is unbiblical. Got Questions Ministries takes an official four-point stance in support of a moderate form of unlimited atonement, while rejecting universalism. Here, we present several arguments against limited atonement.

Argument 1: Limited Atonement Is Hermeneutically Insupportable

Arguing against limited atonement are verses which appear to teach universal atonement, the absence of verses that explicitly limit Christ’s atonement, verses that declare the necessity of faith for salvation, and several Old Testament types of Christ that do not fit the limited atonement paradigm.

Passages Supporting Universal Atonement

Universal (or unlimited) atonement is supported throughout the New Testament. John 3:16–17 says that “God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son. . . . God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.” The Greek word kosmos, translated “the world,” covers the inhabitants of the entire earth. Other verses supporting unlimited atonement include John 1:29, where Jesus is said to take away “the sin of the world”; Romans 11:32, in which God has mercy on “all” the disobedient; and 1 John 2:2, which says Jesus is “the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.”

None of these verses contain any kind of limitation, stated or implied, on Christ’s sacrifice. As if saying that Jesus is the atoning sacrifice for the sins of the world was not sufficient, the apostle John specifically included the Greek word holou, which means “whole, entire, all, complete.” Unless limited atonement is presumed, there is no solid basis for limiting the extent of the atonement mentioned in 1 John 2:2.

Passages Only Mentioning Atonement for Believers

On the other side of the coin, there are verses that say Jesus died for those who believe. Verses that seem to support limited atonement include John 10:15, where Jesus says, “I lay down my life for the sheep”; and Revelation 5:9, which indicates that Jesus’ blood “purchased for God persons from every tribe and language and people and nation.”

These passages and others only mention a select group of people as being the focus of God’s redemptive work. However, none of the passages explicitly limit His offer of salvation. They simply say Jesus died for those who believe, not that He died only for those who believe. Jesus said He laid down His life for the sheep; He did not say that He laid down His life only for the sheep. There remains a larger group of which the sheep are but a part.

Faith Necessary for Salvation

“Universal atonement” is not the same as “universalism,” which says that everyone will be saved and go to heaven. Unlimited atonement acknowledges the reality that Jesus’ atonement must be accepted by faith, and that not everyone will believe. Four-point Calvinists believe that salvation comes only to those who have faith; it is faith that brings the saving effects of the atonement to the Christian. Unbelievers, though offered the gift of salvation through the atonement of Christ, have rejected God’s gift. Some passages proclaiming the necessity of faith for salvation are Luke 8:12; John 20:31; Acts 16:31; Romans 1:16; 10:9; and Ephesians 2:8.

Old Testament Types of Christ

An oft-repeated type of Christ presents Him as a lamb. The Old Testament sacrificial system and the Passover celebration clearly show the penalty of sin and the need for us to have an innocent substitute to cover our sin (see 1 Corinthians 5:7). At the time of the first Passover, all the Israelites had the opportunity to sacrifice a lamb and apply its blood to their doorposts. At the same time, each family had to exercise faith in God. The Passover’s atonement was universal in that it was offered to all, but the atonement still had to be applied individually, by faith.

Another type of Christ in the Old Testament is the bronze serpent on the pole (Numbers 21:5–9). Jesus related this object to Himself in John 3:14, explaining that He must be “lifted up” from the earth. During the plague of the “fiery serpents” in Moses’ day, every person who looked to the bronze serpent—believing that God would heal—was made whole. The healing power was universal in that it was available to every one of the Israelites, dependent only upon their willingness to obey. Jesus compared that incident to His own death on the cross and the spiritual healing He provides.

 

[ChristisGod]

continued:

Argument 2: Christian Tradition Opposes Limited Atonement

Limited atonement has always been a controversial belief. The Synod of Dort in 1619 issued the points of doctrine now known as TULIP; however, several theologians at the synod rejected limited atonement while accepting the other four points of Calvinism.

Long before the Protestant confessions and synods, though, the early church father Athanasius was describing universal atonement. In his "On the Incarnation of the Word" (2.9), Athanasius writes that Jesus’ death was “a substitute for the life of all” and that, because of Jesus’ sacrifice, “the corruption which goes with death has lost its power over all.” Note the word all. Athanasius’ point is that Jesus’ death atoned for all of humanity.

Ironically, Calvin himself may not have placed much value on the idea of a limited atonement. After all, the five points of what is called “Calvinism” came from a synod in the Netherlands almost 60 years after his death. Calvin had this to say about John 3:16: “It is a remarkable commendation of faith, that it frees us from everlasting destruction. . . . And he has employed the universal term whosoever, both to invite all indiscriminately to partake of life, and to cut off every excuse from unbelievers. Such is also the import of the term World; . . . he shows himself to be reconciled to the whole world, when he invites all men without exception to the faith of Christ, which is nothing else than an entrance into life” (Commentary on John, Vol. 1).

Argument 3: Limited Atonement Would Make It Impossible to Genuinely Offer Salvation to All

Limited atonement affects one’s beliefs regarding evangelism and the offer of salvation. Essentially, if only those who will be saved (the elect) are atoned for, there is no atonement to be offered to anyone else. You could only truly offer salvation to the elect. Even a cursory look at Jesus’ ministry shows that He extended invitations of salvation to people He knew would take part in crucifying Him (see Luke 13:34). In the book of Acts, Paul preached to large portions of entire towns, Peter to thousands at a time. Salvation was offered to all without caveat, proviso, or discrimination. Repentance and faith were the required responses (see Matthew 21:32). If Christ’s death did not provide atonement for everyone, then the apostles, and even Jesus Himself, were offering something that most of their audiences could never receive.

Conclusion:

Limited atonement is the point of traditional Calvinism that has caused the most confusion and consternation among Bible-believing theologians. Will only the elect be saved? Yes. However, Christ’s sacrifice is sufficient to pay for all sin, and the offer of salvation is universal. Our invitation for others to accept Christ should echo the Spirit’s call in Revelation 22:17: “‘Come!’ Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life.”got?

hope this helps !!!

 

[Jacob28]

Yes, thank you so much for bringing this to the screen here. You have done well.

The notion of Limited Atonement is Satan's trick to have legalistic Christians do the following:
1.) Refrain from holding out Hope to a hopeless world.
2.) Think God can be limited by manipulating His own Word against His intentions for being Merciful to sinners.
3.) Decrease evangelistic activity upon the Gospel.
4.) Perpetuate the error of the Pharisees who worshipped their own doctrines by mechanically dissecting Scripture.
5.) Cause those who believed a Limited Atonement to be unsure of their own Salvation.
6.) Significantly decrease the joy of a personal relationship with God through Jesus.
7.) Raise up a false two headed God called "Exegetic - Context," similar to the falsehood by the serpent. "God did not really mean to say he loved the WHOLE World ... "
8.) Making it so necessary for its Proponents to show arrogant unkindness to those who know otherwise.
9.) Allow them to feel more control over their faith through a "systematic theology."
10.) Arrogantly claim to grasp all of Scripture within their academia.

Lol. Praise God for His deliverance from Darkness.

 

[justbyfaith]

Thank you @Christophany, very informative.

I would add that in a hyper-Calvinistic theology, one gets the impression that "I might not be one of the elect; and if I am not, there is no use in seeking salvation because I cannot be saved if I am not one of the elect."

In hyper-Calvinism, the following scenario is rejected.

I see a door that says, "Whosoever will, let him come" and upon entering, I find a place set at the table for me with my nametag on it. I look behind me, and I see a sign that says, "Predestined before the foundations of the world."

I have heard hyper-Calvinists say that the above scenario is not accurate to their theology.

In hyper-Calvinism, if I am not one of the elect, even my choice to receive Jesus as my Lord and Saviour will not suffice to give me entrance to the kingdom. Thus, if I am not one of the elect, I cannot be saved; not even if I do what is required to be saved: to call on the name of the Lord or to confess with my mouth the Lord Jesus believing in my heart that God raised Him from the dead.

Thus the following verse is denied by hyper-Calvinists to the very hilt:

Jhn 6:37, All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.