For those who deny the Most Holy Trinity!

[mjrhealth]

Ignatius of Antioch (Student of the Apostle John)
Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your clergy too as you would the apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command of God. Make sure that no step affecting the Church is ever taken by anyone without the bishop’s sanction. The sole EUCHARIST you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, WHEREVER JESUS CHRIST IS PRESENT, THERE IS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH."
(Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]).

See now you are adding garbage into the mix, what you have quoted has nothing to do with God Jesus or His church, your are selling a lie, is that what you choose to be judge for, " But Jesus I believed the lie because it sounded better", you are digging yourself a grave.

 

[theefaith]

See now you are adding garbage into the mix, what you have quoted has nothing to do with God Jesus or His church, your are selling a lie, is that what you choose to be judge for, " But Jesus I believed the lie because it sounded better", you are digging yourself a grave.

the church is built in the apostles and their successors not spiritual anarchy!

you cannot have a spiritual covenant!

was a man in the mosaic covenant by saying so without circumcision?

you can’t be in the new covenant without apostles (priesthood) and baptism (sacraments)

 

[101G]

ok
The error of Sabellius is modalism and was condemned in the early church

first thanks for the reply, second, Sabellius is modalism? ok, if so tell us theefaith, is the Person in John 1:3 the Same person in Isaiah 44:24 who, "Made all things", yes or no. lets see if there is Sabellius or modalism in the Godhead?

your answer please.

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[theefaith]

first thanks for the reply, second, Sabellius is modalism? ok, if so tell us theefaith, is the Person in John 1:3 the Same person in Isaiah 44:24 who, "Made all things", yes or no. lets see if there is Sabellius or modalism in the Godhead?

your answer please.

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Nicene Creed!

We believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only Son of God,
begotten from the Father before all ages,
God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made; one in being with the Father. Through him all things were made. For us and for our salvation he came down from heaven; he became incarnate by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary, and was made man. He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate; he suffered and was buried. The third day he rose again, according to the Scriptures. He ascended to heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again with glory to judge the living and the dead. His kingdom will never end.

And we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life. He proceeds from the Father and the Son, and with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified. He spoke through the prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic church. We affirm one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look forward to the resurrection of the dead,
and to life in the world to come. Amen.

 

[101G]

Nicene Creed!

We believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only Son of God,
begotten from the Father before all ages,
God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made; one in being with the Father. Through him all things were made. For us and for our salvation he came down from heaven; he became incarnate by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary, and was made man. He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate; he suffered and was buried. The third day he rose again, according to the Scriptures. He ascended to heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again with glory to judge the living and the dead. His kingdom will never end.

And we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life. He proceeds from the Father and the Son, and with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified. He spoke through the prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic church. We affirm one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look forward to the resurrection of the dead,
and to life in the world to come. Amen.

thanks for the reply, but that is not what I asked you, listen to a direct question, it will tell us if there are three person in the Godhead, listen.

is the Person in John 1:3 the Same person in Isaiah 44:24 who, "Made all things", yes or no.

a simple yes or no please, then we can discuss.

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[theefaith]

thanks for the reply, but that is not what I asked you, listen to a direct question, it will tell us if there are three person in the Godhead, listen.

is the Person in John 1:3 the Same person in Isaiah 44:24 who, "Made all things", yes or no.

a simple yes or no please, then we can discuss.

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yes the same Lord God

 

[101G]

yes the same Lord God

nope, is this the same PERSON

now please answer, is this the same Person.

and two, you ERROR, for the person in Isaiah 44:24 is the "LORD", ... (smile)...so one lie down one more to go... so be careful how you answer on the person...

now your answer, is this the same person in John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24 yes or no?

your answer please.

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[theefaith]

nope, is this the same PERSON

now please answer, is this the same Person.

and two, you ERROR, for the person in Isaiah 44:24 is the "LORD", ... (smile)...so one lie down one more to go... so be careful how you answer on the person...

now your answer, is this the same person in John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24 yes or no?

your answer please.

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yes

 

[101G]

yes

thank you, for the person in John 1:3 is the Word, who is the Son, and the Person in Isaiah 44:24 is the LORD, all cap the Father, scripture, Isaiah 63:16 "Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting."

so theefaith, the LORD/Father is the same person who is the Son/the Lord. well you're missing one person.

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[101G]

Well at leat you told the truth, yes it is the same person. but what people don't know is that God is a plurality of HIS OWNSELF.

now lets look at Genesis 1:26 & 27, which clearly identify only "ONE" person. I'll let the John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24 sink in first.

so theefaith I thank you for telling the truth on it being the same person.... thank you.


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now the TRUTH of the Godhead
Part #1.
Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

here, many christian, from false teaching, has by hook line and sinker, have ate the forbidden fruit of a lie. supportive scripture, Hosea 10:13 "Ye have plowed wickedness, ye have reaped iniquity; ye have eaten the fruit of lies: because thou didst trust in thy way, in the multitude of thy mighty men."

well lets get that lying fruit out of .... all of our mouths, once and for all. in Genesis 1:26, many say that this is the trinity present. ..... NO, and here's why, the very next verse. Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." God is identified as a "he", and a "his", which is a single PERSON designation. and to back this up by scripture, Genesis 5:1 "This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;"Genesis 5:2 "Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created."

there are two or more revelation in these two scriptures. again God, (who is a Spirit, John 4:24a) is a Spirit ... supposedly to be of 3 person, according to some, but clearly we see the term "GOD" is in reference to a "he" which is a single person. BINGO.

so why did God in Genesis 1:26 say "us" and "our". answer, for he was speaking of himself to come in flesh as the "EQUAL" share "with" his own-self. supportive scripture, Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come." bingo..... "who is the figure of him that was to come." yes, the ME to come, the Son in flesh, the Lord, the ordinal Last. so it was the ordinal First, (the diversity, of himself), who made man male and female in Genesis 1:26 & 27. this is why Jesus as the ordinal Last, as son, now, shared, or diversified in flesh said in Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female," he? yes, he, the "ANOTHER" of himself that was to COME in his OWN IMAGE.... "Flesh" .... man, the Son of God. BINGO.

now the next step is to understand God's plurality as being the ordinal First and the ordinal Last, (as the same one persom)..... next time.


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[theefaith]

Well at leat you told the truth, yes it is the same person. but what people don't know is that God is a plurality of HIS OWNSELF.

now lets look at Genesis 1:26 & 27, which clearly identify only "ONE" person. I'll let the John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24 sink in first.

so theefaith I thank you for telling the truth on it being the same person.... thank you.


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no it’s one God (divine nature) three persons
You must receive both Christ and the father jn 13:20

must be baptized in the name of the father the son and the Hs why????

 

[101G]

John 13:20 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me."
did you read any of what I said? the Son is the "Diversity", or the Offspring, or the Equal share of his OWNSELF, who is the one TRUE Spirit, God/Lord/Father, the ordinal First. and lastly, do you understand what the term ordinal mean? do you know what a "diversity" is? ..... or do you know what the "EQUAL" share or "WITH" God means?or do you know what an ordinal number is vs an cardinal numbers?

if not, just ask, and I will explain it to you.

if you do not just ask.

 

[theefaith]

You did not answer

John 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come

he lead the apostles to teach the most holy trinity as it says in matt 28:19

 

[theefaith]

Modalism is condemned by the apostles in council

 

[101G]

Modalism is condemned by the apostles in council

I'm not a modalist, nor a trinitarian either, and get this, nor am I a oneness as the upc teaches and some others.... lol.

You did not answer
John 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come

he lead the apostles to teach the most holy trinity as it says in matt 28:19

GINOLJC, to all.
First thanks for the reply, second, the Spirit of Truth is the Lord Jesus, the ordinal LAST..... YIKES! ... John 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." the Spirit of Truth is the Comforter, listen, John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;"John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you." that was just too easy.

now, lets go to work, listen and learn.

the TRUTH of the Godhead
Part #2.
the ordinal First and the Ordinal Last, better known as the “First and the Last”.

“the true ECHAD of God”.
Most Christian, not all, but especially the Jews know this one verse by heart, Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God [is] one LORD”. when many hear this verse they never see God as “ONE” person, but three person in “ONE” as God. this is false thinking, a strong delusion. and have been debunked in Genesis 1:26 & 27, and in Genesis 5:1, as in Matthews 19:4.

What do the term “ONE” means here in the verse above? According to Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments, it is the Hebrew word, H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258

one here is an ordinal number, indicating the “First’ in order. BINGO.
Christian, when reading this word in the above definition, their minds just stop at the first definition. They ignore definition #2. but this is where the revelation is found at concerning the Godhead. For the Holy Ghost by his apostle Paul said this, Romans 1:20 "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:". so without any excuses let's understand this Revelation at Deuteronomy 6:4, and KNOW who is in the Godhead.

The very first thing to notice about the verse, beside the definition of the word “ONE”, is that the Ordinal “First” is the LORD, now stop and think. according to the definition above, this “one” can be define as "alone", Uh O. see how the kjv can also translate the word... "alone". now knowing this, the ordinal First is the LORD, all cap. and the Son in flesh, (the diversity), is the ordinal Last. supportive scripture, 1 Corinthians 15:45 "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit." here, the Greek word for last here is G2078 ἔσχατος eschatos (es'-cha-tos) adj.
farthest, final (of place or time).
[a superlative probably from G2192 (in the sense of contiguity)]
KJV: ends of, last, latter end, lowest, uttermost

Place and Time
Notice, the definition state the farthest, final, which indicate an ordinal number of position, (Last). but also, a “place or time”. there is the revelation, listen. Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come." and now this scripture, Galatians 4:4 "But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law," was to come, yes, what TIME was he to come? as the definition states, farthest, final (of place or time), or as the apostle Peter say, the Latter, as the definition points out, or LAST times. supportive scripture, 1 Peter 1:19 "But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:"
1 Peter 1:20 "Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you," there it is, “but was manifest in these last times for you," the Lord Jesus is the LAST, the diversity of Whom we call GOD, who is the Holy Spirit, Manifested in these last times. and we’re in the Last times or days, supportive scripture, Hebrews 1:1 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets," Hebrews 1:2 "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;" BINGO. God manifest himself in these last days, for who? answer, as Peter said, for us, the human family, Jews and Gentiles alike, all people. now this has implication, which is for another whole topic.

the farthest, final, place in time… which was to come? which is God as the ordinal Last, and note, the Son of God was not at Genesis 1:26 & 27 when he made Man….. say What? yes, let me say it again, the Son of God was not at Genesis 1:26 & 27, nor at Genesis 1:1…. but get this, the Son of Man was…. he was there just as EVE was there when God made Adam. you didn't know that did you threefaith? when I hear christian say, the Son of God and the Son of man is the same…. no, the the Son of man who is from heaven, only dwelleth in the Son of God, which is flesh and bone.

so to answer your John 16:13 question, the LORD Jesus, the ordinal First is the Holy Spirit without flesh, and without bone and Blood. BINGO.

remember, the Lord Jesus speaking, he's the "I" here, listen, John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."

and the "I", Jesus, came to them on the day of Pentecost...... YIKES Jesus is the Holy Spirit


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[theefaith]

I'm not a modalist, nor a trinitarian either, and get this, nor am I a oneness as the upc teaches and some others.... lol.

GINOLJC, to all.
First thanks for the reply, second, the Spirit of Truth is the Lord Jesus, the ordinal LAST..... YIKES! ... John 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." the Spirit of Truth is the Comforter, listen, John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;"John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you." that was just too easy.

now, lets go to work, listen and learn.

the TRUTH of the Godhead
Part #2.
the ordinal First and the Ordinal Last, better known as the “First and the Last”.

“the true ECHAD of God”.
Most Christian, not all, but especially the Jews know this one verse by heart, Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God [is] one LORD”. when many hear this verse they never see God as “ONE” person, but three person in “ONE” as God. this is false thinking, a strong delusion. and have been debunked in Genesis 1:26 & 27, and in Genesis 5:1, as in Matthews 19:4.

What do the term “ONE” means here in the verse above? According to Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments, it is the Hebrew word, H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258

one here is an ordinal number, indicating the “First’ in order. BINGO.
Christian, when reading this word in the above definition, their minds just stop at the first definition. They ignore definition #2. but this is where the revelation is found at concerning the Godhead. For the Holy Ghost by his apostle Paul said this, Romans 1:20 "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:". so without any excuses let's understand this Revelation at Deuteronomy 6:4, and KNOW who is in the Godhead.

The very first thing to notice about the verse, beside the definition of the word “ONE”, is that the Ordinal “First” is the LORD, now stop and think. according to the definition above, this “one” can be define as "alone", Uh O. see how the kjv can also translate the word... "alone". now knowing this, the ordinal First is the LORD, all cap. and the Son in flesh, (the diversity), is the ordinal Last. supportive scripture, 1 Corinthians 15:45 "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit." here, the Greek word for last here is G2078 ἔσχατος eschatos (es'-cha-tos) adj.
farthest, final (of place or time).
[a superlative probably from G2192 (in the sense of contiguity)]
KJV: ends of, last, latter end, lowest, uttermost

Place and Time
Notice, the definition state the farthest, final, which indicate an ordinal number of position, (Last). but also, a “place or time”. there is the revelation, listen. Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come." and now this scripture, Galatians 4:4 "But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law," was to come, yes, what TIME was he to come? as the definition states, farthest, final (of place or time), or as the apostle Peter say, the Latter, as the definition points out, or LAST times. supportive scripture, 1 Peter 1:19 "But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:"
1 Peter 1:20 "Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you," there it is, “but was manifest in these last times for you," the Lord Jesus is the LAST, the diversity of Whom we call GOD, who is the Holy Spirit, Manifested in these last times. and we’re in the Last times or days, supportive scripture, Hebrews 1:1 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets," Hebrews 1:2 "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;" BINGO. God manifest himself in these last days, for who? answer, as Peter said, for us, the human family, Jews and Gentiles alike, all people. now this has implication, which is for another whole topic.

the farthest, final, place in time… which was to come? which is God as the ordinal Last, and note, the Son of God was not at Genesis 1:26 & 27 when he made Man….. say What? yes, let me say it again, the Son of God was not at Genesis 1:26 & 27, nor at Genesis 1:1…. but get this, the Son of Man was…. he was there just as EVE was there when God made Adam. you didn't know that did you threefaith? when I hear christian say, the Son of God and the Son of man is the same…. no, the the Son of man who is from heaven, only dwelleth in the Son of God, which is flesh and bone.

so to answer your John 16:13 question, the LORD Jesus, the ordinal First is the Holy Spirit without flesh, and without bone and Blood. BINGO.

remember, the Lord Jesus speaking, he's the "I" here, listen, John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."

and the "I", Jesus, came to them on the day of Pentecost...... YIKES Jesus is the Holy Spirit


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101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

Waiting for an answer
Why be baptized in the name of three persons?

 

[theefaith]

Gregory was Bishop of Neocaesarea in Asia Minor,[43] and wrote a Declaration of Faith which treats the Trinity as standard theological vocabulary:[44]

There is one God.... There is a perfect Trinity, in glory and eternity and sovereignty, neither divided nor estranged. Wherefore there is nothing either created or in servitude in the Trinity; nor anything super-induced, as if at some former period it was non-existent, and at some later period it was introduced. And thus neither was the Son ever wanting to the Father, nor the Spirit to the Son; but without variation and without change, the same Trinity abides ever. —Declaration of Faith.[45]

 

[theefaith]

In Christianity, Sabellianism is the western Church heresy equivalent to the eastern historic Patripassianism, which are both forms of theological modalism. Sabellianism is the belief that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three different modes or aspects of God, as opposed to a Trinitarian view of three distinct persons within the Godhead.[1] The term Sabellianism comes from Sabellius, who was a theologian and priest from the 3rd century. None of his writings have survived and so all that is known about him comes from his opponents. All evidence shows that Sabellius held Jesus to be deity while denying the plurality of persons in God and holding a belief similar to modalistic monarchianism. Modalistic monarchianism has been generally understood to have arisen during the second and third centuries, and to have been regarded as heresy after the fourth, although this is disputed by some.[2]

Sabellianism has been rejected by the majority of Christian churches in favour of Trinitarianism, which was eventually defined as three distinct, co-equal, co-eternal Persons of One Substance by the Athanasian Creed,

 

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Waiting for an answer
Why be baptized in the name of three persons?

First, thanks for the reply, second, wait no longer, for we don't baptize in the TITLES of the "ONE" TRUE person Name, we baptize in the TRUE PERSON REAL Name, and that name is .... "JESUS". did you get that? we don't baptize in titles, we use the REAL name..... JESUS. YIKES!

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