Where does the Bible say...

[Marymog]

Thou shalt not kill (murder).

Hi B5,

I think you know how the pro-abortion 'christians' disgustingly use Genesis 2:7 to defend their belief. If something isn't breathing it's not alive and you can't kill something that is not alive.

The point is no where in Scripture does it flat out say Thou shalt not do an abortion because it's murder. In non-canonical writings it was made clear that the NT Christians thought abortion was wrong...but it's not in scripture. No where in Scripture does it say "You will now worship on Sunday (the Lords Day) instead of Saturday". In the NT, and other non-canonical writings, they made it clear they were worshiping on Sunday and they were no longer held bound to the Jewish Sabbath.

Mary

 

[Marymog]

Interestingly, only one of the Ten Commandments is typically repudiated by Christians in our day. And even more interestingly, it is the one commandment that begins with the word “remember.”

Some justify their Sabbath-breaking by saying that the Law has been abolished.

But these have forgotten that:

Not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. Ro 2:13

Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Ro 3:31

Jas 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

The passages where Paul discusses the abolition of the ceremonial law they misunderstand.

And this is despite the fact that there are several tell-tale differences between the Ten Commandments and the ceremonial laws. These enable the observant reader to correctly identify when the ceremonial system is being discussed.

For one thing, the ceremonial laws were hand-written while the Ten Commandments were carved in stone by God’s own finger. (Ex 31:18). So when we read of the “handwriting” in Col 2:14, we have a hint that it is speaking of the ceremonial laws.

For another thing, the ceremonial laws involved….ceremonies or, as Paul calls them, “ordinances.” So when we read of the “handwriting of ordinances” we have a hint that we are reading of the ceremonial laws.

For another thing, the ceremonial laws were kept in the side of the ark as a “testimony against them.” De 31:26. (The Ten Commandments, by way of contrast, were contained inside the ark.) So when we read of ordinances “against” men, we have a hint that we are reading of the ceremonial laws.

For another thing, the ceremonial laws were “types” or “shadows” or symbols of future events. When we read of laws that are shadows of a reality, we know that we are reading about ceremonial laws.

These are enough hints to help us understand Col. 2:14-17.

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; . . . Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Col. 2:14-17.

While Paul speaks of the moral law of Ten Commandments as being “spiritual”, he speaks of these ceremonial laws as being “carnal.”

Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. . . . For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. Ro 7:12, 14

Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. Heb 9:9-10

Part of the Jewish ceremonial system included feast days that were symbols of the Christ’s death, of Christ’s resurrection, of the day of Pentecost, and of other significant events in Christian history. These were ceremonial “sabbaths” and were distinguished from the Seventh-day Sabbath. And being ceremonial, they were not to last past the cross.

When John wrote his gospel, he called them “Jewish.”

Joh 2:13 And the Jews’ passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem,

Joh 5:1 After this there was a feast of the Jews; and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.

Joh 6:4 And the passover, a feast of the Jews, was nigh.

Joh 7:2 Now the Jews’ feast of tabernacles was at hand.

Joh 11:55 And the Jews’ passover was nigh at hand: and many went out of the country up to Jerusalem before the passover, to purify themselves.

These ceremonial “sabbaths”, (See Lev 16:31; 23:24, 32; 25:4) particularly the Passover, were the sabbaths “which are a shadow of things to come” and were a “figure for the time.”

The most confusing of the Jewish Sabbaths, for the early Christians, was Passover. On one hand, it seemed that it was a ceremony fulfilled and now pointless. Jesus, the Passover, had been crucified.

On the other hand, Jesus had instituted the Last Supper, with rituals in some ways parallel to the Paschal rituals, at the very time of the Passover.

This led to a widespread belief among Jewish Christians that the Passover should be kept, but without eating the lamb. Passover without lamb is the eating of bitter herbs. (Ex 12:8; Nu 9:11).

And this is the reason for Romans 14. Paul refused to condemn Passover keepers. But he also refused to condemn those who recognized that the Passover was no longer binding. Both parties were trying to honor God by their relation to the day; both were trying to honor God by their relation to the eating of herbs.

Unlike the feasts, which are called Jewish in the five passages quoted above from John, the Sabbath needed no introduction to Gentile believers reading John’s gospel, or the other gospels for that matter. The Sabbath is always called “the Sabbath.”

Jesus calls himself the Lord of the Sabbath (Mr. 2:28; Is 58:13) and so shows that the “Lord’s Day” of Revelation 1 was none other than the Sabbath. Gentiles who wished to hear the gospel after the Jews waited, not one day to Sunday, but a week until the “next Sabbath.” Ac 13:32-34.

Even when taking the gospel to the Gentile nations it was Paul’s normal manner of work to teach on the Sabbath (Ac 17:2). Rather than undermining the truth of the gospel, he used this habit as a manner of persuading “both Jews and Greeks” “every Sabbath.” Ac 18:4.

Hi B5,

Soooooo you follow the teachings of the man Eugene W. Prewitt.

I follow the teachings of The Church.

Thank you for your time!

 

[theefaith]

If I choose not to steal, am I fulfilling the law?

there are three parts to the law

ceremonial:
Moral:
Judicial:

the first included the sabbath and is fulfilled

the judicial continues in the new covenant

Then the kingdom was taken from them matt 21:43 and given to Peter, Matt 16:18 the apostles, Matt 18:18 and their successors with the authority of the keys and the power to bind and lose!

the moral law eternal:

 

[Brakelite]

there are three parts to the law

ceremonial:
Moral:
Judicial:

the first included the sabbath and is fulfilled

the judicial continues in the new covenant

Then the kingdom was taken from them matt 21:43 and given to Peter, Matt 16:18 the apostles, Matt 18:18 and their successors with the authority of the keys and the power to bind and lose!

the moral law eternal:

There were also civil laws and health laws. I agree that the moral laws... The decalogue... Are eternal... Hence written on stone. I disagree that the weekly Sabbath was ceremonial. There were ceremonial Sabbath's and they were annually observed and we're shadows of the coming Messiah. There was nothing in the weekly 7th day Sabbath that suggested it was pointing forward, to the contrary, it was instituted to mark creation and the rest of God afterward. Hence the whole meaning of the word... Sabbath. Any concept that Jesus became the Sabbath or any hint of a similar theory that tends to remove the Sabbath from the tables of stone borders on blasphemy. It is human wisdom presuming to have authority over God's law... Which is highly provocative because it presumed to have authority over the Lawmaker Himself.

 

[Brakelite]

the moral law eternal:

Indeed it is. What do you think... Is it moral to obey God?

 

[theefaith]

There were also civil laws and health laws. I agree that the moral laws... The decalogue... Are eternal... Hence written on stone. I disagree that the weekly Sabbath was ceremonial. There were ceremonial Sabbath's and they were annually observed and we're shadows of the coming Messiah. There was nothing in the weekly 7th day Sabbath that suggested it was pointing forward, to the contrary, it was instituted to mark creation and the rest of God afterward. Hence the whole meaning of the word... Sabbath. Any concept that Jesus became the Sabbath or any hint of a similar theory that tends to remove the Sabbath from the tables of stone borders on blasphemy. It is human wisdom presuming to have authority over God's law... Which is highly provocative because it presumed to have authority over the Lawmaker Himself.

do you worship on Saturday?

 

[BarneyFife]

Hi B5,

The Church reads from the OT during it's services.

Good for "The Church."

 

[BarneyFife]

no where in Scripture does it flat out say

Really? We're going there? That is a rabbit hole the depths of which we have not enough breath left in us to plumb.

In the NT, and other non-canonical writings, they made it clear they were worshiping on Sunday and they were no longer held bound to the Jewish Sabbath.

You still don't get that Protestants don't regard non-canonical writings as being authoritative (regardless of what you or BOL claim about reformers' writings)? And the NT in no way makes it clear that the solemnity of the Sabbath was transferred to Sunday. Nowhere in Scripture does it flat out say... (Well, it was a good enough argument for your abortion excursion.) :)

 

[theefaith]

Really? We're going there? That is a rabbit hole the depths of which we have not enough breath left in us to plumb.
You still don't get that Protestants don't regard non-canonical writings as being authoritative (regardless of what you or BOL claim about reformers' writings)? And the NT in no way makes it clear that the solemnity of the Sabbath was transferred to Sunday. Nowhere in Scripture does it flat out say... (Well, it was a good enough argument for your abortion excursion.) :)

do you worship God on Saturday???

 

[Marymog]

You still don't get that Protestants don't regard non-canonical writings as being authoritative.....

No, no...I get it. Protestants only regard THEIR OWN non-canonical writings to be authoritative....even though they all disagree with each other....it's authoritative. If any writing has an inkling of catholic teaching it's thrown out....well, except for the Protestants that agree with catholic writings like Calvin and Luther and some modern day Protestant churches then they leave those writings in.....but if they disagree with those writings they throw them out........truly strange.

 

[Brakelite]

do you worship on Saturday?

I worship Jesus every day. And every minute of every day. And if my life isn't constanty reflecting His character and bringing glory to Him, I confess my weakness and ask Him to work harder to make my life more in line with His. Because it's not about me. It's His work in and through us. Worship isn't an hour a day exercise. It's a lifestyle.
But I do honor the Sabbath, because it's His day, a day Jesus sanctified, made holy at the time of creation and He offers the Sabbath to mankind as a precious gift to meet with Him and commune with Him as a special appointment. We don't work on that day because we want the whole day to be set aside just for Jesus and for others. Read Isaiah 58. That chapter was the first chapter in the bible I memorized because God spoke to me through those words. He said, this is the person I am going to make you into. Give your life to Me, seek Me first and My righteousness, and all these things will be added into you.
Jesus loves you too. And He wants to bless you and to get to know you as His very own little brother. You can trust Him.

 

[Brakelite]

No, no...I get it. Protestants only regard THEIR OWN non-canonical writings to be authoritative....even though they all disagree with each other....it's authoritative. If any writing has an inkling of catholic teaching it's thrown out....well, except for the Protestants that agree with catholic writings like Calvin and Luther and some modern day Protestant churches then they leave those writings in.....but if they disagree with those writings they throw them out........truly strange.

Do you accept the writings of your own church? You say the Sabbath was changed by the Apostles, and that the first century church observed Sunday yet other representatives of your church disagree... Are they lying?

The Church, on the other hand, after changing the day of rest from the Jewish Sabbath, or Seventh day of the week, to the first, made the Third Commandment refer to Sunday as the day to be kept holy as the Lord's Day. The Council of Trent (Sess. VI, can. xix) condemns those who deny that the Ten Commandments are binding on Christians.
—The Catholic Encyclopedia, Commandments of God, Volume IV, © 1908 by Robert Appleton Company, Online Edition © 1999 by Kevin Knight, Nihil Obstat - Remy Lafort, Censor Imprimatur - +John M. Farley, Archbishop of New York, page 153.

The [Roman Catholic] Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, infallible authority given to her by her founder, Jesus Christ. The Protestant claiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday. In this matter the Seventh-day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant.
—The Catholic Universe Bulletin, August 14, 1942, p. 4.

All of us believe many things in regard to religion that we do not find in the Bible. For example, nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the Apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath day, that is the 7th day of the week, Saturday. Today most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the Church outside the Bible.
—The Catholic Virginian, To Tell You The Truth,” Vol. 22, No. 49 (Oct. 3, 1947).

... you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.
—The Faith of Our Fathers, by James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, 88th edition, page 89. Originally published in 1876, republished and Copyright 1980 by TAN Books and Publishers, Inc., pages 72-73.

Deny the authority of the Church and you have no adequate or reasonable explanation or justification for the substitution of Sunday for Saturday in the Third - Protestant Fourth - Commandment of God... The Church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.'
—Catholic Record, September 1, 1923.

But since Saturday, not Sunday, is specified in the Bible, isn't it curious that non-Catholics who profess to take their religion directly from the Bible and not the Church, observe Sunday instead of Saturday? Yes, of course, it is inconsistent; but this change was made about fifteen centuries before Protestantism was born, and by that time the custom was universally observed.
They have continued the custom, even though it rests upon the authority of the Catholic Church and not upon an explicit text in the Bible. That observance remains as a reminder of the Mother Church from which the non-Catholic sects broke away - like a boy running away from home but still carrying in his pocket a picture of his mother or a lock of her hair.
—The Faith of Millions

Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did, happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday. "The Day of the Lord" (dies Dominica) was chosen, not from any directions noted in the Scriptures, but from the Church's sense of its own power. The day of resurrection, the day of Pentecost, fifty days later, came on the first day of the week. So this would be the new Sabbath. People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy.
—Sentinel, Pastor's page, Saint Catherine Catholic Church, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995

If Protestants would follow the Bible, they would worship God on the Sabbath day. In keeping the Sunday they are following a law of the Catholic Church.
—Albert Smith, Chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore, replying for the Cardinal, in a letter dated February 10, 1920.

The observance of Sunday by the Protestants is homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the [Catholic] Church.
—Monsignor Louis Segur, ‘Plain Talk about the Protestantism of Today’, p. 213.

What Important Question Does the Papacy Ask Protestants?
Protestants have repeatedly asked the papacy, "How could you dare to change God's law?" But the question posed to Protestants by the Catholic church is even more penetrating.
Here it is officially: You will tell me that Saturday was the Jewish Sabbath, but that the Christian Sabbath has been changed to Sunday. Changed! but by whom? Who has authority to change an express commandment of Almighty God? When God has spoken and said, Thou shalt keep holy the Seventh day, who shall dare to say, Nay, thou mayest work and do all manner of worldly business on the Seventh day; but thou shalt keep holy the first day in its stead?
This is a most important question, which I know not how you can answer. You are a Protestant, and you profess to go by the Bible and the Bible only; and yet in so important a matter as the observance of one day in seven as a holy day, you go against the plain letter of the Bible, and put another day in the place of that day which the Bible has commanded.
The command to keep holy the Seventh day is one of the ten commandments; you believe that the other nine are still binding; who gave you authority to tamper with the fourth? If you are consistent with your own principles, if you really follow the Bible and the Bible only, you ought to be able to produce some portion of the New Testament in which this fourth commandment is expressly altered.
—Library of Christian Doctrine: Why Don't You Keep Holy the Sabbath-Day? (London: Burns and Oates, Ltd.), pp. 3, 4.

There is but one church on the face of the earth which has the power, or claims power, to make laws binding on the conscience, binding before God, binding under penalty of hell-fire. For instance, the institution of Sunday. What right has any other church to keep this day? You answer by virtue of the third commandment (the papacy did away with the 2nd regarding the worship of graven images, and called the 4th the 3rd), which says 'Remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath day.'
But Sunday is not the Sabbath. Any schoolboy knows that Sunday is the first day of the week. I have repeatedly offered one thousand dollars to anyone who will prove by the Bible alone that Sunday is the day we are bound to keep, and no one has called for the money. It was the holy Catholic Church that changed the day of rest from Saturday, the Seventh day, to Sunday, the first day of the week.
—T. Enright, C.S.S.R., in a lecture delivered in 1893.

Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act. And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters.
—C. F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons, in answer to a letter regarding the change of the Sabbath, November 11, 1895.

Tradition, not Scripture, is the rock on which the church of Jesus Christ is built.
—Adrien Nampon, Catholic Doctrine as Defined by the Council of Trent, p. 157

 

[Marymog]

Do you accept the writings of your own church? You say the Sabbath was changed by the Apostles, and that the first century church observed Sunday yet other representatives of your church disagree... Are they lying?

The Church, on the other hand, after changing the day of rest from the Jewish Sabbath, or Seventh day of the week, to the first, made the Third Commandment refer to Sunday as the day to be kept holy as the Lord's Day. The Council of Trent (Sess. VI, can. xix) condemns those who deny that the Ten Commandments are binding on Christians.
—The Catholic Encyclopedia, Commandments of God, Volume IV, © 1908 by Robert Appleton Company, Online Edition © 1999 by Kevin Knight, Nihil Obstat - Remy Lafort, Censor Imprimatur - +John M. Farley, Archbishop of New York, page 153.

The [Roman Catholic] Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, infallible authority given to her by her founder, Jesus Christ. The Protestant claiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday. In this matter the Seventh-day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant.
—The Catholic Universe Bulletin, August 14, 1942, p. 4.

All of us believe many things in regard to religion that we do not find in the Bible. For example, nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the Apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath day, that is the 7th day of the week, Saturday. Today most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the Church outside the Bible.
—The Catholic Virginian, To Tell You The Truth,” Vol. 22, No. 49 (Oct. 3, 1947).

... you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.
—The Faith of Our Fathers, by James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, 88th edition, page 89. Originally published in 1876, republished and Copyright 1980 by TAN Books and Publishers, Inc., pages 72-73.

Deny the authority of the Church and you have no adequate or reasonable explanation or justification for the substitution of Sunday for Saturday in the Third - Protestant Fourth - Commandment of God... The Church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.'
—Catholic Record, September 1, 1923.

But since Saturday, not Sunday, is specified in the Bible, isn't it curious that non-Catholics who profess to take their religion directly from the Bible and not the Church, observe Sunday instead of Saturday? Yes, of course, it is inconsistent; but this change was made about fifteen centuries before Protestantism was born, and by that time the custom was universally observed.
They have continued the custom, even though it rests upon the authority of the Catholic Church and not upon an explicit text in the Bible. That observance remains as a reminder of the Mother Church from which the non-Catholic sects broke away - like a boy running away from home but still carrying in his pocket a picture of his mother or a lock of her hair.
—The Faith of Millions

Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did, happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday. "The Day of the Lord" (dies Dominica) was chosen, not from any directions noted in the Scriptures, but from the Church's sense of its own power. The day of resurrection, the day of Pentecost, fifty days later, came on the first day of the week. So this would be the new Sabbath. People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy.
—Sentinel, Pastor's page, Saint Catherine Catholic Church, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995

If Protestants would follow the Bible, they would worship God on the Sabbath day. In keeping the Sunday they are following a law of the Catholic Church.
—Albert Smith, Chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore, replying for the Cardinal, in a letter dated February 10, 1920.

The observance of Sunday by the Protestants is homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the [Catholic] Church.
—Monsignor Louis Segur, ‘Plain Talk about the Protestantism of Today’, p. 213.

What Important Question Does the Papacy Ask Protestants?
Protestants have repeatedly asked the papacy, "How could you dare to change God's law?" But the question posed to Protestants by the Catholic church is even more penetrating.
Here it is officially: You will tell me that Saturday was the Jewish Sabbath, but that the Christian Sabbath has been changed to Sunday. Changed! but by whom? Who has authority to change an express commandment of Almighty God? When God has spoken and said, Thou shalt keep holy the Seventh day, who shall dare to say, Nay, thou mayest work and do all manner of worldly business on the Seventh day; but thou shalt keep holy the first day in its stead?
This is a most important question, which I know not how you can answer. You are a Protestant, and you profess to go by the Bible and the Bible only; and yet in so important a matter as the observance of one day in seven as a holy day, you go against the plain letter of the Bible, and put another day in the place of that day which the Bible has commanded.
The command to keep holy the Seventh day is one of the ten commandments; you believe that the other nine are still binding; who gave you authority to tamper with the fourth? If you are consistent with your own principles, if you really follow the Bible and the Bible only, you ought to be able to produce some portion of the New Testament in which this fourth commandment is expressly altered.
—Library of Christian Doctrine: Why Don't You Keep Holy the Sabbath-Day? (London: Burns and Oates, Ltd.), pp. 3, 4.

There is but one church on the face of the earth which has the power, or claims power, to make laws binding on the conscience, binding before God, binding under penalty of hell-fire. For instance, the institution of Sunday. What right has any other church to keep this day? You answer by virtue of the third commandment (the papacy did away with the 2nd regarding the worship of graven images, and called the 4th the 3rd), which says 'Remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath day.'
But Sunday is not the Sabbath. Any schoolboy knows that Sunday is the first day of the week. I have repeatedly offered one thousand dollars to anyone who will prove by the Bible alone that Sunday is the day we are bound to keep, and no one has called for the money. It was the holy Catholic Church that changed the day of rest from Saturday, the Seventh day, to Sunday, the first day of the week.
—T. Enright, C.S.S.R., in a lecture delivered in 1893.

Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act. And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters.
—C. F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons, in answer to a letter regarding the change of the Sabbath, November 11, 1895.

Tradition, not Scripture, is the rock on which the church of Jesus Christ is built.
—Adrien Nampon, Catholic Doctrine as Defined by the Council of Trent, p. 157

Do you accept the writings of your Protestant brothers?

Paul Abolished Sabbath


Paul disagrees with you and so do billions of Christians. We are not held in bond to the sabbath.....just like scripture says.

 

[Brakelite]

Do you accept the writings of your Protestant brothers?

Only if they are with scripture. Unusually, those quotes from Catholic sources do agree with scripture.

 

[Marymog]

Only if they are with scripture. Unusually, those quotes from Catholic sources do agree with scripture.

Got it.....YOU decide who is “with scripture”.....anyone that disagrees with you is wrong

 

[theefaith]

I worship Jesus every day. And every minute of every day. And if my life isn't constanty reflecting His character and bringing glory to Him, I confess my weakness and ask Him to work harder to make my life more in line with His. Because it's not about me. It's His work in and through us. Worship isn't an hour a day exercise. It's a lifestyle.
But I do honor the Sabbath, because it's His day, a day Jesus sanctified, made holy at the time of creation and He offers the Sabbath to mankind as a precious gift to meet with Him and commune with Him as a special appointment. We don't work on that day because we want the whole day to be set aside just for Jesus and for others. Read Isaiah 58. That chapter was the first chapter in the bible I memorized because God spoke to me through those words. He said, this is the person I am going to make you into. Give your life to Me, seek Me first and My righteousness, and all these things will be added into you.
Jesus loves you too. And He wants to bless you and to get to know you as His very own little brother. You can trust Him.

how can you honor the sabbath or worship God, you have no Levitical priesthood no ark no temple no ashes of the red Hefner etc. ???

 

[mjrhealth]

Got it.....YOU decide who is “with scripture”.....anyone that disagrees with you is wrong

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[BarneyFife]

Protestants only regard THEIR OWN non-canonical writings to be authoritative

Just a sweeping generalization that's not true at all. Most Protestants don't even believe the Bible is authoritative, much less some non-canonical writings. Human beings believe what they want to believe.

Got it.....YOU decide who is “with scripture”.....anyone that disagrees with you is wrong

Don't we all have to decide for ourselves what we believe?

One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. (Romans 14:5)

You have been given ample evidence that the Sabbath was not abolished by Paul. No one can decide for you where you stand.

 

[theefaith]

:

that’s pontificating
So those who deny the papacy become there own pope!

like atheists who deny God become there own little god!

they make absolute statements of truth like “there is no god” and then say there are no statements of absolute truth

 

[mjrhealth]

that’s pontificating
So those who deny the papacy become there own pope!

like atheists who deny God become there own little god!

they make absolute statements of truth like “there is no god” and then say there are no statements of absolute truth

Those who deny the pope do it because they follow Christ not men, like to see the pope save you going to be hard enough saving Himself, he is going to have a hard time tying to justify himself and how he usurped his authority from Christ se all you do is sell your religion has nothing to do with Christ, but you are a captive in prison afraid to go out and find the one who is the truth,

2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.