Where does the Bible say...

[Marymog]

• The word of God was replaced by traditions.

Here is the first evidence that you don't know Scripture.

The word of God says: Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

 

[Marymog]

You're sad.....

And you seem to like try to demean people. When you do that does it make you feel superior???

I am sad that you believe the man who taught you these things. Or are you self taught?

None the less I am sad....for you.

 

[theefaith]

Your church is, certainly. Good description. Pity about the king. A socialist evolutionist who supports gay rights.

His being a valid pope and successor of Peter is very much in question same with all the last 6,

 

[BarneyFife]

they were heretics teaching heresy and it is the state that executed justice

You're just proving the character of the system to which you belong.

 

[BarneyFife]

The true church is authoritative kingdom not a democracy

With a handy axeman executioner.

 

[BarneyFife]

The Church cannot teach heresy OR error.

For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. (1 Corinthians 11:19)
@theefaith
I guess the New Testament church is doing things differently than Elijah who, by the way, had God's ear, unlike the pontiff.

 

[BarneyFife]

Where does the Bible say the Bible is the final authority?

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God (2 Timothy 3:16)

But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ” (Matthew 4:4)

“Prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit” (2 Peter 1:21)

“The Scripture cannot be broken” (John 10:35)

And, finally:

To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. (Isaiah 8:20)

 

[ReChoired]

For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. (1 Corinthians 11:19)
@theefaith
I guess the New Testament church is doing things differently than Elijah who, by the way, had God's ear, unlike the pontiff.

I also guess they think heresy is only taught by words:

Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
Gal 2:13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
Gal 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
Gal 2:15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
Gal 2:18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
Gal 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Thus Peter by his actions, was teaching another gospel. Which is why Paul stepped in and corrected the matter by the Holy Ghost.

Men err. The Holy Ghost doesn't. God and Heaven alone are infallible.

 

[ReChoired]

Here is the first evidence that you don't know Scripture.

The word of God says: Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Yes, and as shown to you already, those "traditions" are in the texts/epistles themselves. In other words, the context defined what Paul said and was talking about.

However, Catholicism's vain "Traditions" are nowhere found in the context of Thessalonians, I or II. They are admitted, by Romanism, to have entered hundreds of years after the fact.

 

[BarneyFife]

Or where does it say you have the authority to read and make doctrines or faith for yourself?

Nowhere.

“Prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit” (2 Peter 1:21)

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, (2 Timothy 3:16)

 

[Marymog]

Yes, and as shown to you already, those "traditions" are in the texts/epistles themselves. In other words, the context defined what Paul said and was talking about.

However, Catholicism's vain "Traditions" are nowhere found in the context of Thessalonians, I or II. They are admitted, by Romanism, to have entered hundreds of years after the fact.

I hold fast to the traditions which were taught. Do you?

 

[ReChoired]

I hold fast to the traditions which were taught. Do you?

Yes, you do indeed, hold fast to the "Traditions" that came several hundred years after the fact of I and II Thess, and never taught by Paul.

For instance:

"The feast of the Assumption

Regarding the origin of the feast we are also uncertain. It is more probably the anniversary of the dedication of some church than the actual anniversary of Our Lady's death. That it originated at the time of the Council of Ephesus, or that St. Damasus introduced it in Rome is only a hypothesis. ..." [Roman Catholic Online Encyclopedia; “A”; “Assumption Of Mary”; subsection “The Feast Of The Assumption”] - CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Assumption of Mary​

Yep, Romanism 'assumed' Mary was taken up alright. Please notice that even the "if" of a "Council of Ephesus" (depending on the one it refers to, could be anywhere from 190 to 431 AD). As I said, hundreds of years after the facts. They do not even admit it was in a "Council of Ephesus".

Roman Catholicism's "Traditions" are all like that. Nowhere in scripture, nowhere in I or II Thess, nowhere in any of Paul's writings, and nowhere mouthed by Peter, or by John for that matter.

I, on the other hand, hold fast to the "traditions" that are in I and II Thess. as taught by Paul, as already shown to you.

2Th_2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Which means that the "traditions" are repeated in "our [Paul's, &c] Epistle", and was also taught likewise orally, just as in Acts 15. They sent oral teachers, and an letter which taught the exact same thing as the prophets being sent. Notice, that these "traditions" were actually taught at that time to the Thessalonians. Not some hundreds years later. It's in the Epistles, I and II Thess.

Thus the difference between us.

 

[ReChoired]

I hold fast to the traditions which were taught. Do you?

'pope' John XXII taught:

"... But in another instance, as Protestants never tired in pointing out, mortalism had been championed by no less an authority than Pope John XXII (1249-1334). ..." - Psychopannychism in Renaissance Europe by C. A. Patrides, page 229 - Psychopannychism in Renaissance Europe on JSTOR

"... For Pope John XXII. made himself very obnoxious by reviving, as it is said by Dupin, the opinion of the ancient Fathers, that the souls of good men do not enjoy the beatific vision till the day of judgment. He was very strenuous in asserting and preaching this doctrine, contrary to the judgment of the divines at Paris, who the king of France assembled for that purpose..." - Disquisitions Relating To Matter And Spirit: To Which Is Added The History Of The Philosophical Doctrine Concerning The Origin Of The Soul, And The Nature Of Matter; With It Influence On Christianity, Especially With Respect To The Doctrine Of The Preexistence Of Christ, By Joseph Priestly, LL.D. F.R.S., Vol. I., The Second Edition, Improved And Enlarged, Birmingham, Printed By Pearson And Rollason, For J, Johnson, No. 72, St. Paul's Church-Yard, LONDON, MDCCLXXXII (1782)., page 275 - Disquisitions Relating to Matter and Spirit
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Did he err? If not, why then did the next 'pope' issue a statement to 'correct' the issue. Why is there a 'phantastic story' of 'pope' John XXII recanting on his death bed??? (Which is utter nonsense.)

 

[BreadOfLife]

For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. (1 Corinthians 11:19)
@theefaith
I guess the New Testament church is doing things differently than Elijah who, by the way, had God's ear, unlike the pontiff.

Among "YOU".
This is NOT an indictment of the entire Church.

There are individuals who have espoused heresy WITHIN the Church since the beginning.
This DOESN'T mean that the Church is heretical.

 

[BreadOfLife]

'pope' John XXII taught:

"... But in another instance, as Protestants never tired in pointing out, mortalism had been championed by no less an authority than Pope John XXII (1249-1334). ..." - Psychopannychism in Renaissance Europe by C. A. Patrides, page 229 - Psychopannychism in Renaissance Europe on JSTOR

"... For Pope John XXII. made himself very obnoxious by reviving, as it is said by Dupin, the opinion of the ancient Fathers, that the souls of good men do not enjoy the beatific vision till the day of judgment. He was very strenuous in asserting and preaching this doctrine, contrary to the judgment of the divines at Paris, who the king of France assembled for that purpose..." - Disquisitions Relating To Matter And Spirit: To Which Is Added The History Of The Philosophical Doctrine Concerning The Origin Of The Soul, And The Nature Of Matter; With It Influence On Christianity, Especially With Respect To The Doctrine Of The Preexistence Of Christ, By Joseph Priestly, LL.D. F.R.S., Vol. I., The Second Edition, Improved And Enlarged, Birmingham, Printed By Pearson And Rollason, For J, Johnson, No. 72, St. Paul's Church-Yard, LONDON, MDCCLXXXII (1782)., page 275 - Disquisitions Relating to Matter and Spirit
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Did he err? If not, why then did the next 'pope' issue a statement to 'correct' the issue. Why is there a 'phantasic story' of 'pope' John XXII recanting on his death bed??? (Which is utter nonsense.)

John XXII wrote a paper on this subject PRIOR to becoming the Pope. Although he DID believe ib this fallacy - he didn't officially teach or proliferate this teaching within the Church. In other words - it was only his personal opinion.

Oh - and he DID officially ecant this belief on January 3, 1334.
He died eleven months later on December 4, 1334.

 

[amigo de christo]

Addressing your observations regarding the Magisterium, ( The magisterium is the official teaching office of the Church, including the pope and the bishops in union with him.)

You are correct.
Catholic Answers:
encyclopedia

Tradition and Living Magisterium
Excerpt: "Holy Scripture is therefore not the only theological source of the Revelation made by God to His Church. Side by side with Scripture there is tradition, side by side with the written revelation there is the oral revelation. This granted, it is impossible to be satisfied with the Bible alone for the solution of all dogmatic questions. Such was the first field of controversy between Catholic theologians and the reformers. The designation of unwritten Divine traditions was not always given all the clearness desirable, especially in early times; however Catholic controversialists soon proved to the Protestants that to be logical and consistent they must admit unwritten traditions as revealed. Otherwise by what right did they rest on Sunday and not on Saturday? How could they regard infant baptism as valid, or baptism by infusion? How could they permit the taking of an oath, since Christ had commanded that we swear not at all? The Quakers were more logical in refusing all oaths, the Anabaptists in rebaptizing adults, the Sabbatarians in resting on Saturday. But none were so consistent as not to be open to criticism on some point. Where is it indicated in the Bible that the Bible is the sole source of faith? Going further, the Catholic controversialists showed their opponents that of this very Bible, to which alone they wished to refer, they could not have the authentic canon nor even a sufficient guarantee without an authority other than that of the Bible." *Continues at link*

Let no man , woman , child follow Rome . Lambs follow JESUS and lambs love those bibles . YES INDEED .

 

[amigo de christo]

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."
John 14:26

If we even only one time read a scripture verse, the Holy Spirit WILL "bring ALL to our remembrance".
There were those who, immediately came into the Church at it's inception, who skewed and twisted scriptures so, so much for the "early fathers". I believe the Apostolic succession stopped with the death of the last apostle of Christ. We now have the Comforter to teach us and guide us in ALL things.
Their oh so very many false teachings out there and I prefer to filter all things through the living and active Word of God :)

Just FEAST on those bibles . What GOD has inspired , HIS SPIRIT will reveal as we need to know .
We have way too many false ones and they are beguiling many souls . Trust in GOD . Now leap up and Sing to the KING .

 

[BarneyFife]

I hold fast to the traditions which were taught. Do you?

Yes--the traditions taught in the Bible.

 

[BarneyFife]

Among "YOU".
This is NOT an indictment of the entire Church.

There are individuals who have espoused heresy WITHIN the Church since the beginning.
This DOESN'T mean that the Church is heretical.

Straw man--I never suggested that the entire church is heretical. Be sensible.
The Catholic clergy says it cannot err. I assume that means at all.
And yet it has admitted to error. That's confusion--Babylon; Tower of Babel.

 

[BarneyFife]

John XXII wrote a paper on this subject PRIOR to becoming the Pope. Although he DID believe ib this fallacy - he didn't officially teach or proliferate this teaching within the Church. In other words - it was only his personal opinion.

Spinning papal double-talk for 17 years, right? Fine job.
There is a difference between anti-catholic bigots and true Protestants, you know. Protest means "in favor of testing." What's wrong with that?
Jesuits, on the other hand...