Mother of James?

[theefaith]

The bishops of whatever faith have no right whatsoever to make up things that aren't in the bible.

of course they don’t make it up but they do define what is the truth!

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

 

[farouk]

The bishops of whatever faith have no right whatsoever to make up things that aren't in the bible.

@Pearl Jude says the faith is 'once delivered'; it's not for ppl to make it up as they go along...

 

[Pearl]

of course they don’t make it up but they do define what is the truth!

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

Seems to me that praying to Mary or other dead saints isn't in the bible or that she was a perpetual virgin, or that Joseph was a widower.

 

[Pearl]

@Pearl Jude says the faith is 'once delivered'; it's not for ppl to make it up as they go along...

So true farouk and so many seem to do exactly that.

 

[BreadOfLife]

The bishops of whatever faith have no right whatsoever to make up things that aren't in the bible.

Ummmm, it was a group of Catholic Bishops with the Authority of Christ (Matt. 16:18-19, 18:15-18, Luke 10:16), guided by the Holy Spirit (John 16:12-15) who declared the New Testament that YOU adhere to.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Seems to me that praying to Mary or other dead saints isn't in the bible or that she was a perpetual virgin, or that Joseph was a widower.

Interesting.

Does your Bible mention the "Trinity"?
How about the "Incrnation"?
Does it contain the List of Books that belong in it?

NOT everything we adhere to as Christians is explicitly mentioned in Scripture.
NOT everything Jesus mentioned was explicity from Scripture, either . . .

Matt 23:2 - Jesus relies on the ORAL TRADITION of acknowledging Moses' seat of authority (which passed from Moses to Joshua to the Sanhedrin). This is not recorded in the Old Testament.

Matt. 2:23 - the prophecy "He shall be a Nazarene" is ORAL TRADITION. It is not found in the Old Testament. This demonstrates that the apostles relied upon oral tradition and taught by oral tradition.

 

[BreadOfLife]

@Pearl No Scriptural evidence that he was married before....
Those who try to suggest so might well have an agenda of their own...

They certainly do farouk, caused by false teachings from their leaders.

NOBODY has sis that the idea that Joseph was a widower is Scriptural.
As a metter of fact I have been explicit in saying thta it is from an extrabiblical historical document.

Where are you guys getting your dishonest information?

 

[BreadOfLife]

@Pearl Jude says the faith is 'once delivered'; it's not for ppl to make it up as they go along...

So true farouk and so many seem to do exactly that.

You mean - like ALL of your Protestant Fathers in the 16th century and since?
Got it . . .

 

[theefaith]

@Pearl Jude says the faith is 'once delivered'; it's not for ppl to make it up as they go along...

but the apostles define what that faith is! They are the saints it was given to Matt 16:18 18:18

 

[theefaith]

Seems to me that praying to Mary or other dead saints isn't in the bible or that she was a perpetual virgin, or that Joseph was a widower.

no one prays to a dead saint.
John 11:25
Jesus said unto her, I am theresurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

rev 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

 

[theefaith]

Do you guys believe in the Virgin birth only or also the Virgin birth and the fact that Joseph was the father of Jesus from the Bible alone please?

 

[Illuminator]

The bishops of whatever faith have no right whatsoever to make up things that aren't in the bible.

You have no right to say that all authentic beliefs and practices must be in the Bible. That's not in the Bible. It's a man made tradition.

 

[DNB]

Maybe I am misunderstanding you but are you suggesting that Joseph was not a widower??

The Protoevangelium of James says: "Zacharias, Zacharias, go out and assemble the widowers of the people..." and Joseph assembled with them sooooo I may be misunderstanding you. Sooooo like I said, joseph was a widower. I believe it also says that Mary was a consecrated temple virgin..

Maybe I am misunderstanding your theory...???

Soooooo my original statement stands unless you can debunk what I wrote.

Debunk what you wrote? Your pagan and heretical document already debunks your credibility, Mary. Why are you quoting apocryphal (dubious) literature in order to defend your position?

 

[DNB]

Ummmmm......NOT TRUE...He nor the Gelasian Decree condemned it. They agree with earlier Church Councils that it should not be part of the Canon (Scripture) sooooo did you even read the link you cited????

I already know that the answer is NO, you didn't read them otherwise you wouldn't have given the standard Protestant response. Do you ever get tired of being lied to by your Protestant leaders? Have you ever thought about doing your own research?

Keeping It Real....historical Mary

Keeping it outside of Canon, is the same as relegating its authority, Mary. In other words, it doesn't have credibility, not at the inspired level. Not to mention how far removed from the actual events that it is, as far as when it was written is concerned.
You need to try and keep things real, Mary. Going off into mysticism, and exalting conduits to Christ over and above their allotted measure, is foolhardy, and ultimately blasphemous.

 

[DNB]

Thank you for your continued ignorance.
It makes MY job that much easier . . .

Innocent I, in his letter to Bishop Exsuperius of Toulouse listed the official Canon of Scripture - which was first formally declared at the Synod of Rome in 383. His "condemnation" of the Protoevangelium was simply the fact that he didn't include it in the Canon if Scripture - but neither did the Synod of Rome 12 years earlier.

I NEVER made the claim tht it was Scripture. In fact - I referred to it as an extrabiblical historical source.
It is the SAME source where your Protestant scholars get the names of Mary's Parents, Anna and Joachim.

Either way, it has absolutely no place in doctrinal issues, obviously. And yet, you are treating it with as much inspiration and authority as authentic Scripture? You have derived the dogma of Mary's perpetual virginity, immaculate conception, and assumption, all from a document that you admit, does not belong in Scripture. You are an absolute exegetical train-wreck!
BOL, you are absolutely all over the place, ...you must be getting tired of the taste of leather in your mouth, aren't you?

 

[Pearl]

You have no right to say that all authentic beliefs and practices must be in the Bible. That's not in the Bible. It's a man made tradition.

Ok, so we throw out our bibles? I always understood that scripture is the written word of God.

 

[Marymog]

Debunk what you wrote? Your pagan and heretical document already debunks your credibility, Mary. Why are you quoting apocryphal (dubious) literature in order to defend your position?

Hi DNB,

Listen kiddo. In post #283 you asked the question WHY......

I gave you an answer by referencing a 1,900 year old Christian document. You asked. I answered. It's that simple. :cool:

 

[Marymog]

Keeping it outside of Canon, is the same as relegating its authority, Mary. In other words, it doesn't have credibility, not at the inspired level. Not to mention how far removed from the actual events that it is, as far as when it was written is concerned.

Thank you DNB. So your original statement was wrong which was that Pope Innocent condemned it.

I agree with your new statement that it was not an inspired writing that is why it was kept outside of the Canon!! You now agree with The Church on The Protoevanelium of James!!

 

[BreadOfLife]

Either way, it has absolutely no place in doctrinal issues, obviously. And yet, you are treating it with as much inspiration and authority as authentic Scripture? .You have derived the dogma of Mary's perpetual virginity, immaculate conception, and assumption, all from a document that you admit, does not belong in Scripture You are an absolute exegetical train-wreck!
BOL, you are absolutely all over the place, ...you must be getting tired of the taste of leather in your mouth, aren't you?

WRONG again.

We get Mary's Perpetual virginity from Scripture (Luke 1:34, Matt. 27:56, Mark 15:40, John 19:25) and Sacred Tradition. I only cited the Protoevangelium as an historical sourc because so many Protestant scholars derive SOME of their facts about Mary from it - while discarding the rest.

And, as has been shown - Mary's Immaculate Conception (Luke 1:28) and bodily Assumption (Rev. 12:1) are ALSO from Sacred Tradition and Scripture.
Don't you ever tire of being proven wrong?

 

[theefaith]

Ok, so we throw out our bibles? I always understood that scripture is the written word of God.

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

Behold I am with you (the successors or the apostles until the end of the age, so the successors must remain until the end of the age) matt 28:19

(None of the so called reformers were apostles) (no man has authority to start a church)

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Teaching authority of the Apostles and their successors in the church founded in the one true founded by Jesus Christ!

Jesus Christ is the head of the church, (eph 5:23) the body of Christ,
(col 1:18) the new and eternal covenant, (pre-figured Jer 31:31) (Heb 8:8) new covenant replaces the Mosaic covenant, (Heb 8:13) Christ replaces David as king, (Lk 1:32-33) Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and men, (1 Tim 2:5 & Heb 12:24) but a mediator remains on earth mediating between God and His people, but Christ ascended to heaven, (acts 1) before He did He founded His church, on Peter, and the apostles, and their successors!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 2:42 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

We must be taught by Peter, the apostles, and their successors! Lk 10:16 Matt 28:19 Jn 21:17

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Lk 1:4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

Acts 8:30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?

31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

Col 2:7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.

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The obedience of faith!

Rom 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name.

Taught the one true faith revealed by Christ to His apostles! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3

We are not commanded to read and make doctrine for ourselves but obey those who God puts in authority.