Is God Really All Loving?
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OK, thanks, yeah sounds like you got it correct.
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It is true that God is totally loving, because He is love itself. Now, in saying that, I am not talking about the type of sentimental lovey dovey approach that is sometimes characteristic of liberals. God hates sin, but loves the sinner. This is according to the Scriptural definition of love - that it desires the absolute best for the universe and everyone in it. Charles Finney wrote an excellent section on The Attributes of Love in his Systematic Theology. The section has come out in a separate book of that title.
God executes His wrath and anger on sin of every type, and often the sinner gets in the way and suffers as a result. Also, He values His Son Jesus Christ to such an extent that He is angry at those who reject Christ. The Scripture says that God is angry at the wicked every day (Psalm 7:11).
But for those who have embraced Christ as their Saviour, God's anger is turned away (Isaiah 12:1).
But God's anger is not the out-of-control rage that a drunken husband arrives home and beats up his wife and children because his supper is not ready. It's not like the road rage we often see on our streets. It is not the kind of anger that seeks revenge.
But God has a set of moral laws, and these involve rewards and penalties, just like our domestic laws. If we abide by the law, we are rewarded with a peaceful life and we are not pulled over by the police, unless it is a routine stop to check for seatbelts, registration, warrants of fitness, or alcohol breath testing. If we break the law, there are penalties which we know all about without me having to mention them here.
A convicted murderer may come up for sentencing, and the judge may love the criminal and personally not want to impose the death penalty. But the judge has to give his judgment according to the law, and in this case, the law requires the death penalty. So the judge has to put aside his loving feelings and sentence the prisoner to death. Judge may hate doing it, but according to law it has to be done. If he didn't, then justice would not be served, especially for the family of the murdered victim. Also, confidence would be lost for the judge if it appeared that because of personal feelings, he was in the habit of allowing convicted murderers get inappropriately light sentences, and such action could bring the judiciary into disrepute.
If a human judge is bound by the law of the land, how much more is our eternal Judge bound by His moral law? He has to act righteously; if not, how would committed believers who had faithfully served Him and made such efforts to live holy and righteous lives feel if they found themselves in heaven next door to Osama Bin Laden who masterminded 9/11 that killed over 3000 innocent people?
The liberals refuse to accept that a loving God would send people to hell, yet they don't seem to object to a judge giving the death sentence to a serial murderer. They imply that if God was a Court judge, a drunk driver who smashed into a car killing a whole family would be given just a small fine because He loved the drunk driver too much to give him a heavier sentence. Of course this is ridiculous, and it is because liberals worship a different god, one of their own imagination, instead of the God of the Bible.
God executes His wrath and anger on sin of every type, and often the sinner gets in the way and suffers as a result. Also, He values His Son Jesus Christ to such an extent that He is angry at those who reject Christ. The Scripture says that God is angry at the wicked every day (Psalm 7:11).
But for those who have embraced Christ as their Saviour, God's anger is turned away (Isaiah 12:1).
But God's anger is not the out-of-control rage that a drunken husband arrives home and beats up his wife and children because his supper is not ready. It's not like the road rage we often see on our streets. It is not the kind of anger that seeks revenge.
But God has a set of moral laws, and these involve rewards and penalties, just like our domestic laws. If we abide by the law, we are rewarded with a peaceful life and we are not pulled over by the police, unless it is a routine stop to check for seatbelts, registration, warrants of fitness, or alcohol breath testing. If we break the law, there are penalties which we know all about without me having to mention them here.
A convicted murderer may come up for sentencing, and the judge may love the criminal and personally not want to impose the death penalty. But the judge has to give his judgment according to the law, and in this case, the law requires the death penalty. So the judge has to put aside his loving feelings and sentence the prisoner to death. Judge may hate doing it, but according to law it has to be done. If he didn't, then justice would not be served, especially for the family of the murdered victim. Also, confidence would be lost for the judge if it appeared that because of personal feelings, he was in the habit of allowing convicted murderers get inappropriately light sentences, and such action could bring the judiciary into disrepute.
If a human judge is bound by the law of the land, how much more is our eternal Judge bound by His moral law? He has to act righteously; if not, how would committed believers who had faithfully served Him and made such efforts to live holy and righteous lives feel if they found themselves in heaven next door to Osama Bin Laden who masterminded 9/11 that killed over 3000 innocent people?
The liberals refuse to accept that a loving God would send people to hell, yet they don't seem to object to a judge giving the death sentence to a serial murderer. They imply that if God was a Court judge, a drunk driver who smashed into a car killing a whole family would be given just a small fine because He loved the drunk driver too much to give him a heavier sentence. Of course this is ridiculous, and it is because liberals worship a different god, one of their own imagination, instead of the God of the Bible.
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If a Liberal tells you that they stand for a free country they are most likely lying.....April_Rose
Your categorisation comes with a truckload of assumptions......and so you have no problems tarring whoever with that brush.
In my view its a convenient way of dismissing being objective as well as having to think through the complexity of issues. It is the lazy person's way of self justification.
Your categorisation comes with a truckload of assumptions......and so you have no problems tarring whoever with that brush.
In my view its a convenient way of dismissing being objective as well as having to think through the complexity of issues. It is the lazy person's way of self justification.
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Question: “Is God really all loving?”
The answer is “No.”
- [Lev 26:30 NASB] 30 'I then will destroy your high places, and cut down your incense altars, and heap your remains on the remains of your idols, for My soul shall abhor you.
- [Deu 25:16 NASB] 16 "For everyone who does these things, everyone who acts unjustly is an abomination to the LORD your God.
- [Pro 3:32 NASB] 32 For the devious are an abomination to the LORD; But He is intimate with the upright.
- [Pro 11:20 NASB] 20 The perverse in heart are an abomination to the LORD, But the blameless in [their] walk are His delight.
- [Pro 16:5 NASB] 5 Everyone who is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD; Assuredly, he will not be unpunished.
- [Pro 17:15 NASB] 15 He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous, Both of them alike are an abomination to the LORD.
- [Psa 11:5 NASB] 5 The LORD tests the righteous and the wicked, And the one who loves violence His soul hates.
- [Mal 1:2-3 NASB] 2 "I have loved you," says the LORD. But you say, "How have You loved us?" "[Was] not Esau Jacob's brother?" declares the LORD. "Yet I have loved Jacob; 3 but I have hated Esau, and I have made his mountains a desolation and [appointed] his inheritance for the jackals of the wilderness."
- [Rom 9:13 NASB] 13 Just as it is written, "JACOB I LOVED, BUT ESAU I HATED."
- [Rom 9:18 NASB] 18 So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires.
- [Rom 9:21-22 NASB] 21 Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use? 22 What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction?
The answer is “No.”
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Alright, let's review the common beliefs of liberalism and find out how I reached that assumption shall we?
1. Liberals can say whatever the heck they want, but when it comes to us Trump supporters (and people against BLM and ANTIFA) we're not allowed to say anything against Biden and hence a reason that I was banned from CF. So the freedom of speech is definitely shot with them.
2. Liberals don't believe in the right to bear arms. Yet these are the same people who want to defund the police. So they're basically holding up a great big neon sign that says murder me. Another reason why I was banned from CF is I believe very strongly in the right to bear arms and I spoke quite a bit about how we should be able to shoot violent protestors. CF could care less about the US Constitution though and another reason I was banned is that I said that Kamala would rip it up and spit on it if she had the chance.
3. Liberals care more about equality then about our own safety, yet they want to order another shutdown of the government. What I mean by this is that Biden supporters support him by tearing down the wall and letting the same people (the Chinese government) who cursed us with this stupid pandemic in the first place and wanting us dead into the country along with the same people who caused 911,.. yet they don't seem to care if we're going for another great depression and not having the funds to care for ourselves properly.
I'm sure that there are many more examples but those were the few that I could think of. Oh yeah, and Biden wants to pack the supreme court so there's more democrats (or rather his puppet controllers do) and the democrats rigged this whole entire election in the first place silencing our right to vote. Liberals are mostly communist Nazi's which I do believe was another reason for my banning because I posted that on CF as well. And although they have the freedom to be like that, they don't believe in freedom. Which is just as well because if President Trump has his say a lot of them will be headed for a lockup really soon. ;)
Where did you see in my post that says God kills anyone?
Do you work for CNN?
Sometimes I wonder but I put them off of ignore because I saw what they were saying about my signature and I had to address it in post number twenty-seven. (Not the thing about falling asleep on the can btw LOL)
Scorners and mockers have their place along with murderers, thieves, liars, and such...
That's what my Bible says....so we really should pray for them.
Yes but we should also pray for our country. Those were some really serious issues that I covered. I was talking the other day about how it starts online and eventually it's going to make it's way into the real world if something isn't done. My freedom of speech was destroyed on CF as well as my freedom to agree with supporting those who bear arms and being completely distraught over the terrorists like BLM and ANTIFA who have murdered people and destroyed property,.. and they're still calling themselves Christians. (BLM members were on that website btw and that's what they didn't like and they supported them and didn't want them to feel offended.) I told them the truth and they couldn't handle it and that's why I got banned. Otherwise I would just keep telling other members on there about it and they wouldn't have a website anymore. They were caught and called out on it and they didn't know what else to do.
Oh yes and liberals also stand for the freedom of choice when it comes to abortion, but the babies that they are murdering don't get a choice so what do they call that?
Well sister, instead of anguishing over the injustices against you from mankind how about doing a little spiritual warfare...
Our battle isn't with people it's with the spiritual wickedness....so trying to win a spiritual war using fleshly weapons is like trying to fly a plane without wings.
Eph 6 (NKJV)
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¹⁰ Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might.
¹¹ Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
¹² For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
¹³ Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Umm,.. actually you must have misunderstood my intentions because that was exactly the point I was trying to make. It's not just actions done against me that I'm upset over. Way too many lives have been lost this past year, freedoms taken away, when is it all going to end?
I sure hope that it is somehow fixed or Christ returns. Either way I would be really happy and I think I can speak for the majority of us here on that one.
Yes evil is getting worse as prophesied in the Bible. I am very excited that I may see the return of Jesus before I die.Umm,.. actually you must have misunderstood my intentions because that was exactly the point I was trying to make. It's not just actions done against me that I'm upset over. Way too many lives have been lost this past year, freedoms taken away, when is it all going to end?
Yes so am I,.. but a part of me wonders and doubts that He would take somebody like me with Him. I mean I love Him, I want to be with Him,.. but I have fears that He would tell me that I don't have enough faith or I'm not religious enough.
@Heart2Soul Reminds me of 2 Timothy 3.13-14:
"But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them".
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It depends on one's definition of "love".
I fail to see your point in the Scriptures you have quoted. Anyone can go through the concordance and cobble together a series of verses hoping that the ordinary reader gets the point; but without application of the verses to clarify the point you are wanting to make, it all falls flat, and all the reader gets is that you have shown that you can use a concordance but little else of any significance.
@April_Rose John's First Epistle and Romans 8 have a lot about assurance of faith in Christ. :)Yes so am I,.. but a part of me wonders and doubts that He would take somebody like me with Him. I mean I love Him, I want to be with Him,.. but I have fears that He would tell me that I don't have enough faith or I'm not religious enough.
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