Dead in Sin !

[brightfame52]

Teaching that one can sin their way into Heaven is NOT rightly dividing the Scriptures. Get behind me, Satan; you're offense to me.

No you quoting Ezk 33 was not rightly dividing the scripture, it was a national physical covenant they were under, nothing spiritual.

Now those Christ died for, their sins arent charged to them, Christ took them away, they are complete in Him. But those who want to disregard that, are living in sin and rebellion against God !

 

[ChristisGod]

No you quoting Ezk 33 was not rightly dividing the scripture, it was a national physical covenant they were under, nothing spiritual.

Now those Christ died for, their sins arent charged to them, Christ took them away, they are complete in Him. But those who want to disregard that, are living in sin and rebellion against God !

yep

 

[Ziggy]

HA, you guys are too funny.
You need to go have a pow pow with Peter like I did with Paul. You'll feel better and learn a lot of TRUTH about yourselves in the process.
Kinda cool really, even though it irks a lot of people for sure.
I seem to remember a letter from Peter and the other elders telling Paul that there were three things I think he needed the gentiles to agree to.
Abstain from idols, strangled blood and fornication.. I have to find it.. hold on..

Studies are cool, you learn a lot. I do,

Act 15:1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
Act 15:2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.

Act 15:4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.
Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
Act 15:6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.

WATCH THIS:
Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
Act 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
Act 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Act 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Act 15:12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.
Act 15:13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:

Act 15:19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
Act 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
Act 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
Act 15:22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
Act 15:23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:
Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
Act 15:25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
Act 15:26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Act 15:27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.
Act 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
Act 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
Act 15:30 So when they were dismissed, they came to Antioch: and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the epistle:
Act 15:31 Which when they had read, they rejoiced for the consolation.


WHO IS CEPHAS???? And Who is PETER??

Gal 2:4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
Gal 2:5 To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.
Gal 2:6 But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person:) for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:
Gal 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Gal 2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)
Gal 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
Gal 2:10 Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.
Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
Gal 2:13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
Gal 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

Here's the thing... Paul calls Cephas ( Simon Peter) by the name Jesus gave him...
Jhn 1:42 And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.

I don't know who this Peter is I don't think it's the as Cephas..
Paul mentions Cephas many times by his given name.

Peter and certain others brought in unawares to seek out our liberty... and I withstood him to the face in front of who?
James, Cephas, and John..

So he is blasting Peter while standing in front of Cephas..
How is this so?

Thank You
Hugs

 

[justbyfaith]

Scripture calls him a sinner, Paul confronted his sin before all the people below. Are you now trying to say being a hypocrite is not a sin ?

Galatians 2

When Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12 For before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. 13 The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray.

14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?

As the movie says:

you can't handle the TRUTH.

hope this helps !!!

1st of all, he stood condemned is not accurate for someone who has believed on Christ (see John 5:24 (kjv)).

2ndly, Peter's only sin was against the gospel to the Gentiles from Paul's perspective. In all reality he was right to cater to the consciences of the Jewish people who had come on the scene; he was being obedient to the biblical principles found in 1 Corinthians 8 and Romans 14 and Romans 15:1-3.

Therefore he did not stand condemned; he merely was to be blamed: because he was not taking into account the effect his actions would have on the Gentile believers and the impact that his actions might have on the gospel to the Gentiles.

To put it mildly, Peter was in between a rock and a hard place.

This is the reason why we are delivered from the law in order that we might walk in newness of spirit and not in the oldness of the letter (Romans 7:6). In walking not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us and if we violate some aspect of the law it does not change this fact; because we are delivered from the law.

Therefore in walking not after the flesh but after the Spirit, we do not sin (the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us)...Romans 8:4...while it is also true that no one keeps the law and sin is the transgression of the law.

Because sin has now been redefined as walking according to the flesh.

'nuff said!

You teach the outward self righteousness of the Pharisees who on the outside looked good but on the inside were full of dean mens bones.

No, as evidenced by his signature, he is teaching that you need to cleanse the inside of the cup and platter with the blood of Jesus.

No you quoting Ezk 33 was not rightly dividing the scripture,

Merely quoting or referencing a scripture is not dividing it at all. So give your exposition of Ezekiel 33:11-20 as you certainly know how to rightly divide it. Verse by verse please.

 

[brightfame52]

1st of all, he stood condemned is not accurate for someone who has believed on Christ (see John 5:24 (kjv)).

2ndly, Peter's only sin was against the gospel to the Gentiles from Paul's perspective. In all reality he was right to cater to the consciences of the Jewish people who had come on the scene; he was being obedient to the biblical principles found in 1 Corinthians 8 and Romans 14 and Romans 15:1-3.

Therefore he did not stand condemned; he merely was to be blamed: because he was not taking into account the effect his actions would have on the Gentile believers and the impact that his actions might have on the gospel to the Gentiles.

To put it mildly, Peter was in between a rock and a hard place.

This is the reason why we are delivered from the law in order that we might walk in newness of spirit and not in the oldness of the letter (Romans 7:6). In walking not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us and if we violate some aspect of the law it does not change this fact; because we are delivered from the law.

Therefore in walking not after the flesh but after the Spirit, we do not sin (the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us)...Romans 8:4...while it is also true that no one keeps the law and sin is the transgression of the law.

Because sin has now been redefined as walking according to the flesh.

'nuff said!




No, as evidenced by his signature, he is teaching that you need to cleanse the inside of the cup and platter with the blood of Jesus.



Merely quoting or referencing a scripture is not dividing it at all. So give your exposition of Ezekiel 33:11-20 as you certainly know how to rightly divide it. Verse by verse please.

Ezk 33 has nothing to do with Salvation it's to do with the nation of israel and a national covenant. No I'm not going to deal with it. Please study for yourself.

 

[justbyfaith]

Ezk 33 has nothing to do with Salvation it's to do with the nation of israel and a national covenant. No I'm not going to deal with it. Please study for yourself.

Already did...and came to the conclusion that I came to, also.

I know that you cannot expound that passage without also coming to the same conclusion...but that you also are afraid of the conclusion that presents itself there.

 

[brightfame52]

Already did...and came to the conclusion that I came to, also.

I know that you cannot expound that passage without also coming to the same conclusion...but that you also are afraid of the conclusion that presents itself there.

Well you seem to be careless with the scriptures. Remember James wrote James 3

My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.

 

[ChristisGod]

Well you seem to be careless with the scriptures. Remember James wrote James 3

My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.

Yep !

 

[justbyfaith]

Well you seem to be careless with the scriptures. Remember James wrote James 3

My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.

Yep !

I take great care to read and study the scriptures every day I am alive...

I am always asking the Holy Spirit to speak through me when I teach here on these boards; I ask that everything that comes off of my keyboard might be directly from Him.

And fyi I read through all of the epistles once/week and I take great care to understand what I am reading also.

However, may the Lord richly bless you and may you have great peace in your hearts all the days of your lives.

Perhaps I should also bless you with the blessing that the Lord might receive you as sons; however that might be taken as a curse rather than a blessing: but I pray that the positive of that may be applied to you and if the negative also be relevant, then so be it.

 

[ChristisGod]

HA, you guys are too funny.
You need to go have a pow pow with Peter like I did with Paul. You'll feel better and learn a lot of TRUTH about yourselves in the process.
Kinda cool really, even though it irks a lot of people for sure.
I seem to remember a letter from Peter and the other elders telling Paul that there were three things I think he needed the gentiles to agree to.
Abstain from idols, strangled blood and fornication.. I have to find it.. hold on..

Studies are cool, you learn a lot. I do,

Act 15:1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
Act 15:2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.

Act 15:4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.
Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
Act 15:6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.

WATCH THIS:
Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
Act 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
Act 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Act 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Act 15:12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.
Act 15:13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:

Act 15:19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
Act 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
Act 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
Act 15:22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
Act 15:23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:
Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
Act 15:25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
Act 15:26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Act 15:27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.
Act 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
Act 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
Act 15:30 So when they were dismissed, they came to Antioch: and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the epistle:
Act 15:31 Which when they had read, they rejoiced for the consolation.


WHO IS CEPHAS???? And Who is PETER??

Gal 2:4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
Gal 2:5 To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.
Gal 2:6 But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person:) for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:
Gal 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Gal 2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)
Gal 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
Gal 2:10 Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.
Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
Gal 2:13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
Gal 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

Here's the thing... Paul calls Cephas ( Simon Peter) by the name Jesus gave him...
Jhn 1:42 And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.

I don't know who this Peter is I don't think it's the as Cephas..
Paul mentions Cephas many times by his given name.

Peter and certain others brought in unawares to seek out our liberty... and I withstood him to the face in front of who?
James, Cephas, and John..

So he is blasting Peter while standing in front of Cephas..
How is this so?

Thank You
Hugs

no different than referring to Christ as Jesus, Jesus Christ, Lord, Savior, God etc......... a person can have more than one name by which they are called. I'm Nick and Nicholas and go by both.

 

[Ziggy]

So Peter is sitting on his roof and sees a vision. He is then told to go to a house of Gentiles and spread the Gospel.

Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Act 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

oh.. hold on... what is this "worketh righteousness" ...
Righteousness comes by believing and by faith and grace... it is God's righteousness that we are clothed with.
You can not make your own rags clean no matter how much hysop you use..

Act 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

It wasn't earned.. they heard, they believed, they received. That is Grace.

If the hearing and the believing are the "works of righteousness that we must do" , then yes I agree with Peter.
If it is by works as in earning rightousness by your own might, even, by keeping the written law, then no, I would not agree with Peter.

Act 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
Act 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

And this is the outward confession of repentence. the washing away, the resemblence of death of the old man, and rising anew in Christ.
Turning back to God Almighty, creator of heaven and earth. Through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Act 11:2 And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him,
Act 11:3 Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them.

So Peter goes over the whole episode of the vision and going to Joppa, and the Holy Spirit falling on the Gentiles...

Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
Act 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
Act 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

So here still Peter is in agreement with scripture. He went to the Gentiles ate with them, Preached to them, they got saved.
Jews come over and say.. Yo Peter.. what's up?? Peter tells them what happened, and everybody's happy.

Act 15:1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
Act 15:2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.

Act 15:4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.
Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
Act 15:6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.

 

[Ziggy]

You still with me??

Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
Act 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
Act 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Act 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.


Paul refers to Peter as Cephas:
Jhn 1:42 And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.
1Co 1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
1Co 3:22 Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours;
1Co 9:5 Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?
1Co 15:5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:

So help me out here...
Gal 2:1 Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also.
Gal 2:2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.
Gal 2:3 But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:
Gal 2:4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
Gal 2:5 To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.
Gal 2:6 But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person:) for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:
Gal 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Gal 2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)

Watch:

Gal 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
Gal 2:10 Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.
Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
Gal 2:13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
Gal 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

Is there 2 Peter's ?
Paul calls Simon Peter = Cephas... Not Peter..

Was there a "certain" that came from James, who called himself Peter?

Paul had gone to Jeerusalem, Saw Peter, James, and John, received letters from them saying the Gentiles needed to do no such thing, except refeain from things strangled and from blood and fornication.

Who is this Peter then?

Paul would have said, I confronted Cephas to his face.. but he did not.

Help..
Hugs

 

[ChristisGod]

Peter/Cephas are one in the same person just as Jesus, Christ, the Lord are the same person when used separately.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Ziggy]

Peter/Cephas are one in the same person just as Jesus, Christ, the Lord are the same person when used separately.

hope this helps !!!

You didn't read it did you??
ok

Thanks

 

[ChristisGod]

You didn't read it did you??
ok

Thanks

Yes I did and Paul is using both names to describe the same person just like my examples about the Son being called, Jesus, Lord, Christ , Jesus Christ, Lord Jesus Christ, Lord and Savior Jesus Christ etc.....

Is Paul and Saul the same person ?

 

[Ziggy]

Yes I did and Paul is using both names to describe the same person just like my examples about the Son being called, Jesus, Lord, Christ , Jesus Christ, Lord Jesus Christ, Lord and Savior Jesus Christ etc.....

That's fine.
I'm going to stick with a counterfeit Peter... there were lot's of people trying to stear the church off course.
Not so much different than today.
I believe if Paul had known who the "certain" were that came out from James... this is where that "certain" Peter came from..
he would have said Cephas. He called Cephas by his God given name.

But we can agree to disagree..

Much Love
HUGS

 

[ChristisGod]

That's fine.
I'm going to stick with a counterfeit Peter... there were lot's of people trying to stear the church off course.
Not so much different than today.
I believe if Paul had known who the "certain" were that came out from James... this is where that "certain" Peter came from..
he would have said Cephas. He called Cephas by his God given name.

But we can agree to disagree..

Much Love
HUGS

His birth name was Simon.

Simon was originally from Bethsaida (John 1:44) and lived in Capernaum (Mark 1:29), both cities on the coast of the Sea of Galilee. He was married (1 Corinthians 9:5), and he and James and John were partners in a profitable fishing business (Luke 5:10). Simon met Jesus through his brother Andrew, who had followed Jesus after hearing John the Baptist proclaim that Jesus was the Lamb of God (John 1:35-36). Andrew immediately went to find his brother to bring him to Jesus. Upon meeting Simon, Jesus gave him a new name: Cephas (Aramaic) or Peter (Greek), which means “rock” (John 1:40-42).got?

hope this helps !!!

 

[Ziggy]

His birth name was Simon.

Simon was originally from Bethsaida (John 1:44) and lived in Capernaum (Mark 1:29), both cities on the coast of the Sea of Galilee. He was married (1 Corinthians 9:5), and he and James and John were partners in a profitable fishing business (Luke 5:10). Simon met Jesus through his brother Andrew, who had followed Jesus after hearing John the Baptist proclaim that Jesus was the Lamb of God (John 1:35-36). Andrew immediately went to find his brother to bring him to Jesus. Upon meeting Simon, Jesus gave him a new name: Cephas (Aramaic) or Peter (Greek), which means “rock” (John 1:40-42).got?

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So your saying Peter is two-faced?

He writes letters saying one thing and yet does another... like the Pharisees that Jesus said, do whatt they say, not what they do.

So Peter is a hypocrite, a fisherman... and a Pharisee named Saul is calling Peter a hypocrite..

I suppose anything is possible..
I walked my walk with Paul, we're good.
Peter on the other hand.. get thee behind me Satan...
yeah, I haven't walked that walk yet.

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[ChristisGod]

So your saying Peter is two-faced?

He writes letters saying one thing and yet does another... like the Pharisees that Jesus said, do whatt they say, not what they do.

So Peter is a hypocrite, a fisherman... and a Pharisee named Saul is calling Peter a hypocrite..

I suppose anything is possible..
I walked my walk with Paul, we're good.
Peter on the other hand.. get thee behind me Satan...
yeah, I haven't walked that walk yet.

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Yes I'm saying Peter was not perfect, he sinned, Paul confronted Peter/Cephas, he was forgiven and never lost his salvation. Many teach a person who sins loses their salvation and claim a believer can have a state of sinlessness. Its a lie as the doctrine of sinless perfectionism is a false doctrine. A believer will not become sinless until the Resurrection when the corruptible will put on incorruption, the perishable becomes imperishable, the mortal becomes immortal. Until then we all have a sinful nature and will battle our flesh, sin and the devil. That is only going to disappear at the Resurrection of the saints.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Ziggy]

Yes I'm saying Peter was not perfect, he sinned, Paul confronted Peter/Cephas, he was forgiven and never lost his salvation. Many teach a person who sins loses their salvation and claim a believer can have a state of sinlessness. Its a lie as the doctrine of sinless perfectionism is a false doctrine. A believer will not become sinless until the Resurrection when the corruptible will put on incorruption, the perishable becomes imperishable, the mortal becomes immortal. Until then we all have a sinful nature and will battle our flesh, sin and the devil. That is only going to disappear at the Resurrection of the saints.

hope this helps !!!

I come to the conclusion that it is ones belief and faith in God that is salvation.
If you don't know God or his Son Jesus whom he sent to testify of himself..
If you don't know either of these two witnesses...
you dead..
done
lights out
poof

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