Presidential Election Live Coverage 2020

[FollowHim]

The ridiculous to the absurd


Pennsylvania postal worker denies recanting ballot fraud claim

The President of the USA and the leader of the republicans in the senate are interested in a postal worker who claims to have been instructed to back date ballots. In reality 2 ballots were counted that should not have been counted, and the source of the allegations appears to have changed their story depending on who they are talking to.

Now we are talking a claim of millions of ballots being fraudulent, and the president etc are interested in 2 ballots.
Do you not see how desperate and a farce this is becoming?

Let us set the appropriate scene. Investigators follow leads, uncover evidence, lawyers are called, court cases started and the election seems to be in question. The president who is 100% willing to abide by the will of the people, begins to look into this perilous situation and suggests the next steps to take.

What rather has played out is the president from the beginning and before it, claiming fowl, and then looking personally for evidence, as if his presence defines the reality of evidence. This is all inappropriate and bias, guilt assumed before innocence, and the ease with which easily influenced people will blurt out ideas their paranoid mind invents and exaggerates. It is why investigators investigate and try to not disturb the situations until it is clear. And normal investigative groups upon which society relies are called corrupt and incapable to drawing honest and conclusive conclusions.

Trump claims now he has more complete court submissions in the works that will prove the point. Lol :):):)

 

[Grailhunter]

The argument about appropriate and righteous behaviour is an important one, but for the pulpit.

I disagree and you are wrong at the most fundamental level. It does not matter if you are an atheist....or just a person of apathy....Christian, Jew, Hindu, or Buddhist...."appropriate and at least good behavior and manners is the right thing to do. And conversely inappropriate and evil behavior should be prosecuted.

The idea that America has stood for christian ethics and morality has only been true when the majority went to church. It is now a minority, and most are antipathetic or prosperity gospel orientated. One could argue that this has always been the case, it was always an appearance of belief and justice. We even have preachers recommending pornography as a means of dealing with marriage and desire issues.

I have been to twelve countries, but still when I talk about the standards of another country, I am very careful, as you should be. Certainly devote church go'ers and even very devote Christians that do not attend church fall into a category, where morals and character are held to a higher level. But if you took the time to come to this country and did a survey of your own, you would fine that nearly 80 percent believe in the Christian God, whether they go to church or not. Of the 20 percent left you can divide up among the Jews and other religions. Very few atheists in this country. This is a society thing...our National Anthem has the phrase "under God" in it. Our currency has the phrase "IN GOD WE TRUST" on every bill and coin, religious holidays are national holidays, we fight to keep Christian monument displayed, and at every rally our president mentions God. Now you correct me if I am wrong, as I understand it the same is not true as a government or a society in the UK. As I understand it, Christianity is on the decline as a religion in a lot of the European nations, even at the cultural level....the people do not believe in God. So you tell me about it and tell me if you support it.

Now talking about the society in general is one thing, another is to those who know scripture and Jesus's ways and words. Saying for instance inventing slander and lies is acceptable and correct behaviour is a denial of Jesus's words. And the source of such an approach is not of God.

I assuming you are referring to the democrats, if not you are the pot calling the kettle black.

So I would suggest this is a hope for a plaster on a cancer that is destroying the patient. Jesus in Revelation suggests only the elect will stand. So I wonder what you think you are fighting for and why?

Resistance if futile so saith Satan....or the Borg! lol God loves the sheep, but the shepherds guards the flock. If you do not stand for good, it will be eaten by evil. Yes Americans stand for good and they fight against tyranny, dictators, and communism.

 

[Grailhunter]

The ridiculous to the absurd


Pennsylvania postal worker denies recanting ballot fraud claim

The President of the USA and the leader of the republicans in the senate are interested in a postal worker who claims to have been instructed to back date ballots. In reality 2 ballots were counted that should not have been counted, and the source of the allegations appears to have changed their story depending on who they are talking to.

Now we are talking a claim of millions of ballots being fraudulent, and the president etc are interested in 2 ballots.
Do you not see how desperate and a farce this is becoming?

Let us set the appropriate scene. Investigators follow leads, uncover evidence, lawyers are called, court cases started and the election seems to be in question. The president who is 100% willing to abide by the will of the people, begins to look into this perilous situation and suggests the next steps to take.

What rather has played out is the president from the beginning and before it, claiming fowl, and then looking personally for evidence, as if his presence defines the reality of evidence. This is all inappropriate and bias, guilt assumed before innocence, and the ease with which easily influenced people will blurt out ideas their paranoid mind invents and exaggerates. It is why investigators investigate and try to not disturb the situations until it is clear. And normal investigative groups upon which society relies are called corrupt and incapable to drawing honest and conclusive conclusions.

Trump claims now he has more complete court submissions in the works that will prove the point. Lol :):):)

Let us see post #2381....when I feed this back to you, do you want it a la carte or do you want the whole meal?

 

[Taken]

Two issues here which are distinct.
1 A fair election of a president
2 The moral decay of society

The argument about appropriate and righteous behaviour is an important one, but for the pulpit.

Apparently you are Unfamaliar with American History.

Governments Did NOT Start "Schools"...the People did. The People Decided who was qualified to Teach their Children in a classroom setting, that The People funded and built. The People decided What their children would be Taught...
Reading, Writing, Arithmatic, History, and Scripture.
Yes...the Bible was A School Book, along with the books to teach the Students other parent Approved subjects.

Governments intervened with their Waving of Enticing Dollars, and AND confiscating OF Records, And Taking over OF Schools, curriculums, rules, dictation...

And apparently unknown to you...Parents for eons and In droves have Removed their Children from such Corrupt Schools, And Enter their children into Private At Home Teaching and Organizations that INCLUDE Scriptural Teaching...So no, Americans don't All agree with you of "reserving appropriate and righteous behavior to the Pulpit!"

Elections are about votes being counted and the winner appointed.

You repeating your Foreign View...is Utterly irrelevant to a Converted American.

Elections are About Every individuals Ballot being "Doubly Checked"...BY Oppositions, For...Valid Accuracy.

Your implied...collect and count and declare a win....is utterly OUTSIDE of the American Legal System....and thus why...your 2 cents opinion...is easily dismissed.

I have gone on christian forums are presented Jesus the lover of our souls who calls us to walk the straight path, the path of love, service and repentance. And I have been called evil, deceived, satanic and demon possessed or demon influenced.

Not news. Old Prophecy.

Now talking about the society in general is one thing, another is to those who know scripture and Jesus's ways and words.
Saying for instance inventing slander and lies is acceptable and correct behaviour is a denial of Jesus's words.
And the source of such an approach is not of God.

Uh huh. An INVENTION of Lies...is without a cause.
A "cause", is A Suspect.

Suspect HAS BEEN Discovered in the US Presidental Election.

If that Suspicion "has not been Observed BY You"..." a Foreigner"....
who cares? I don't.
It neither Benefits you or Burdens you ...
it IS About America and her People...not you.

The idea that America has stood for christian ethics and morality has only been true when the majority went to church.

Hogwash.

I personally...
"am" Converted,
"Not" OF this world,
"Not" a member of a man made church,
"am" a member of Christ Jesus' Spiritual Church.

I have traveled extensively the US, met hundreds of Converted, who also are Not members of "man made churches"... whose convictions ARE Scriptural and Meet with the Lord God Daily, according To His method.

So if you are searching "polling results of church going men as a measure of The Lord Gods Faith-full"... as a general rule, we don't participate polls, regarding our Faith...or Government "preferences".

I can attest to the Umpteen INTRUSIONS, of Internet, emails, texts, phone calls...of individuals and organization infringing on privacy and PRYING for WHAT I believe and DO and Intend to Do.

The answer is Simple...without bothering to answer NONYA...None of your business....
Result...IGNORE.

It is now a minority, and most are antipathetic or prosperity gospel orientated.

Uh huh sure. I've worked with late Saturday night shift "minorities" ...rushing to get to their "G-Damned" (their words on repeated occasions) church meeting... because the singing is great, the food is great and momma will bend their ear if they don't show up.

I am not disparaging what individuals Choose.
It is their Liberty TO Choose, as is it is mine To Choose and To KEEP what is Private, private.

One could argue that this has always been the case, it was always an appearance of belief and justice. We even have preachers recommending pornography as a means of dealing with marriage and desire issues.

"Appearance" is not a new phenomena...
It "IS" precisely "FOR" to FLATTER, the Public at Large.

Some say..."flattery will get you want you want"...

Appearance and flattery does not impress me in the least.
I could care less about a person's appearance and flattery...Never impressed me to begin with...and confirmed as less to consider since becoming Converted.

So I would suggest this is a hope for a plaster on a cancer that is destroying the patient. Jesus in Revelation suggests only the elect will stand.

I am not "a" patient being destroyed. I am among the FEW who ARE Heal-ED.

So I wonder what you think you are fighting for and why?

Legal Justice.
Because in America it is a Right Afforded me.

As the people of the Kingdom we are shinning as lights of love and truth, and soon to be with Jesus, Amen. God bless you

We?
I KNOW my own standing.
I KNOW my own works.

I am puzzled by your promotions.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[FollowHim]

I disagree and you are wrong at the most fundamental level. It does not matter if you are an atheist....or just a person of apathy....Christian, Jew, Hindu, or Buddhist...."appropriate and at least good behavior and manners is the right thing to do. And conversely inappropriate and evil behavior should be prosecuted.


I have been to twelve countries, but still when I talk about the standards of another country, I am very careful, as you should be. Certainly devote church go'ers and even very devote Christians that do not attend church fall into a category, where morals and character are held to a higher level. But if you took the time to come to this country and did a survey of your own, you would fine that nearly 80 percent believe in the Christian God, whether they go to church or not. Of the 20 percent left you can divide up among the Jews and other religions. Very few atheists in this country. This is a society thing...our National Anthem has the phrase "under God" in it. Our currency has the phrase "IN GOD WE TRUST" on every bill and coin, religious holidays are national holidays, we fight to keep Christian monument displayed, and at every rally our president mentions God. Now you correct me if I am wrong, as I understand it the same is not true as a government or a society in the UK. As I understand it, Christianity is on the decline as a religion in a lot of the European nations, even at the cultural level....the people do not believe in God. So you tell me about it and tell me if you support it.



I assuming you are referring to the democrats, if not you are the pot calling the kettle black.



Resistance if futile so saith Satan....or the Borg! lol God loves the sheep, but the shepherds guards the flock. If you do not stand for good, it will be eaten by evil. Yes Americans stand for good and they fight against tyranny, dictators, and communism.

It is interesting reading the Pew survey. From a UK perspective those that go to church is now 10% or about and has been so for a long time.
Of this group how well the gospel is understood is somewhat unknown. The most active churches are charismatic, of one sort or another, with the methodists surviving only on those in their 70+.

The free grace movement or prosperity gospel versions appear to be dominant. Based on the pew figures you seem to have a 25% regular population attendance of church. So I wonder what you are trying to suggest, that actually the USA is a country of faith and alive walking the straight path of Christ, except those who are democrats who are actually satanic.

The problem with this moral political aspect of life, it was through spiritual revivals that life was brought to communities. Without repentant sinners there is no real hope to look for. God bless you

 

[FollowHim]

Let us see post #2381....when I feed this back to you, do you want it a la carte or do you want the whole meal?

I just want to present another perspective.

Trump is now saying he has not actually gone to court and his cases were rejected, that was someone else, though it was actually lawyers his group employed and came with his groups assertions. Listened to Rudy saying in the Detroit counting centre there were no republican representatives looking at the count, except that is simply not true. One can look up the reports from these locations with their explanations.

Trump cannot stomach he has lost, and will recycle the same cases time and time again.
Trouble with the internet is we can look up everything straight away so lying and miss representation does not work.

Praise the Lord that the authorities will stand for truth and reality. God bless you

 

[Grailhunter]

I just want to present another perspective.

Trump is now saying he has not actually gone to court and his cases were rejected, that was someone else, though it was actually lawyers his group employed and came with his groups assertions. Listened to Rudy saying in the Detroit counting centre there were no republican representatives looking at the count, except that is simply not true. One can look up the reports from these locations with their explanations.

Trump cannot stomach he has lost, and will recycle the same cases time and time again.
Trouble with the internet is we can look up everything straight away so lying and miss representation does not work.

Praise the Lord that the authorities will stand for truth and reality. God bless you

Is it my imagination or is it that nothing you are saying makes sense...or stand true in reality.

 

[FollowHim]

My concern is simply, when Biden is president what are you going to think? God let you down, and satan won, or Trump lied?
It is funny, when these prophets of the return of Christ set a day, the day comes and passes, the prophets following does not falter.

Emotionally it appears if you sell all you have to follow a leader, thats it, buy in no matter where it leads.

Psychologists found they could change what people said they believed and many would start defending the very position they actually disagreed with. It is how groups can be manipulated and how as a group we accept a group ethos or view without actually knowing it.

God bless you

 

[FollowHim]

Is it my imagination or is it that nothing you are saying makes sense...or stand true in reality.

I think you summarise the problem of bias and belief in life. I watched a debate between muslims and christians and both thought their side had one. The reason was different perspectives have their own emotional queues that define truth for them, which are different for each group, or even the meaning behind the words was different.

So if a leaders statement is absolute truth, any denial of this is a lie. And to suggest a strategy that a leader is taking which contradicts their actual position, must obviously be a lie, so just accept they have a deeper reality that will soon be disclosed. When defeat finally comes, some will actually call it a victory and then invent a complex explanation. One is they were actually part of the deep state to make fun of the opposition.

I am now not surprised by any version of these insane situations, because it is about group manipulation to maintain or gain power, not truth and love or following Jesus, who is Lord of All, Amen. God bless you

 

[APAK]

Bill Gates Hired BLM ‘Students’ To Count Ballots In Battleground States

HAFNovember 16, 2020

To ensure that Joe Biden “won” most of the key battleground states, Bill Gates and others in positions of influence replaced veteran poll workers with “young black students,” also known as Black Lives Matter (BLM) terrorists, who committed election fraud for pay.

by Ethan Huff

According to reports, Gates and his cohorts scared the veteran poll workers into fearing infection with the Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19), opening the door for young black activists to swoop in and thieve votes for Biden, securing his media-declared “victory.”

“The excuse of COVID-19 was used to scare some elderly poll workers into bowing out and being replaced by these ringers,” writes Shane Trejo for Big League Politics.


The Campus Vote Project, a wing of the Fair Elections Center, received funding from the New Venture Fund to hire on these “young black students” as poll workers.

The New Venture Fund, in case you are unfamiliar with it, received more than $94 million from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, as well as from other globalist special interest groups such as the Ford Foundation and the Hewlett Foundation.

NBC News first spilled the beans about the “young black students,” indicating that this “diverse group of thousands of younger Americans, ranging from 16-year-old high schoolers to college students” had been tasked with “stepping in as poll workers across the country during early voting and on Election Day.”

Once installed, these “young black students,” with the help of the Poll Workers Project and The Poll Hero Project, engaged in what now appears to be a widespread vote fraud campaign that is trying to steal the election for Biden.

Basketball player Lebron James was also involved in the sham, having worked with both the NAACP Legal Defense Fund and Power the Polls to recruit more young black people to work the polling places in nearly every urban enclave where the vote counts appear to be rigged.

Bill Gates Should Be Charged With Treason
Gates, by the way, has thus far gotten what he wanted with the declared Biden “win.” The billionaire eugenicist was quick to celebrate the results being reported by the media, which has already installed Biden as the “president-elect.”


What this means, of course, is that Gates is complicit in committing treason against our nation.

His money and involvement resulted in multiple states being declared for Biden, handing him a “victory,” even though obvious election fraud took place that necessitates further investigation.

In Nevada, for instance, whistleblowers who have signed sworn affidavits say they observed Gates’ “young black students” telling people who were trying to vote without proper identification to simply apply for whatever they needed from the DMV and bring along the paperwork, even though this is legally unacceptable advice.

“We were told by (my team leader) and two other assistants to advise people who wanted to register to vote and did not have the proper Nevada ID/Driver’s License, that they could go out in the parking lot and make an appointment with the DMV to get a Nevada ID/Driver’s License, and then bring in proof of their appointment confirmation (either a paper copy or shoot it on their phone to us) and then they could be registered,” one of the whistleblowers indicated in a deposition.

“They were then permitted to vote with a provisional ballot, even though their appointments were not until January of 2021. We were told this was being allowed all over the Valley, at all polling places.”

In another instance, a whistleblower witnessed two people opening up mail-in ballot envelopes, filling them out and signing them, and putting them back into official pink and white envelopes as if they were being mailed in from legitimate voters.

“I regularly saw people walking in with multiple ballots,” this whistleblower contends. “We were not allowed to talk to the monitors or observers. We were not supposed to say anything ever to the observers.”
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GATES is not only a medical expert and wants to help people die with poisons, he also poisoned the well at the ballot box.....filled with students who are terrorists and traitors of this country

 

[rjs330]

By the way I have been accused of lying, being evil, of satan, worse than a murderer by christians for sharing we need to follow Jesus's commands and love our neighbour. You could say it has made me bullet proof as to the lengths some go to to continue in their belief system. And this about Jesus and being a christian, so I have no expectations of sense or reasonableness with regard to the elections and Trump, lol. At least in politics I am not doomed to hell to be tortured for all eternity........:)

Why in the world would someone call you evil or satanic for saying we should love our neighbor? That makes no sense.

 

[Grailhunter]

The free grace movement or prosperity gospel versions appear to be dominant. Based on the pew figures you seem to have a 25% regular population attendance of church. So I wonder what you are trying to suggest, that actually the USA is a country of faith and alive walking the straight path of Christ, except those who are democrats who are actually s

No what I am saying is the fact. As far as what percentage of Christians go to church in America would be near to impossible to tabulate. There are regular church go'ers, those that go several times a year, some that go to church on occasion or on holidays. Then you have some very devote Christians that do not go to church for one reason or another.
Then there is also the culture...if asked, what percentage of Americans are going to say they believe in God.

the straight path of Christ, except those who are democrats who are actually satanic.

I did not say this or explain this and I think I made it pretty simple.
Again....in other words....most Americans believe in God...Christ. Democrats are not satanic, but when they vote to stand with Satan they are supporting the works of Satan. You can believe in Christ but still do evil and support evil and be evil, and be an evildoer. When the ends come what side of the line are you going to be on? In the day you could find members of the mafia in church, even hitmen. No matter what you believe, what you do matters. And in the end, what you do is what you are going to be judged for. Maybe these hitmen thought they could go to church on Sunday and get their sins forgiven and do a hit on Monday. Maybe they are going on the once saved always saved thing.

The problem with this moral political aspect of life, it was through spiritual revivals that life was brought to communities. Without repentant sinners there is no real hope to look for.

The hope to look for is Christ. Freedom of religion is the fundamentals of this country. Americans believe in God by their own freewill and accord. Repentance is an essential part of salvation, put repentance cannot occur when you choose a life of sin, you die in your sins. Could Hitler have gotten forgiveness in the end? That is a good topic. And it is historical, there have been people that believed they could live their lives as they wished and planned on being baptized in the end. But that is not what I am talking about, as Christ said you call me lord lord but why do you not do what i say?

 

[Grailhunter]

Bill Gates Hired BLM ‘Students’ To Count Ballots In Battleground States

HAFNovember 16, 2020

To ensure that Joe Biden “won” most of the key battleground states, Bill Gates and others in positions of influence replaced veteran poll workers with “young black students,” also known as Black Lives Matter (BLM) terrorists, who committed election fraud for pay.

by Ethan Huff

According to reports, Gates and his cohorts scared the veteran poll workers into fearing infection with the Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19), opening the door for young black activists to swoop in and thieve votes for Biden, securing his media-declared “victory.”

“The excuse of COVID-19 was used to scare some elderly poll workers into bowing out and being replaced by these ringers,” writes Shane Trejo for Big League Politics.


The Campus Vote Project, a wing of the Fair Elections Center, received funding from the New Venture Fund to hire on these “young black students” as poll workers.

The New Venture Fund, in case you are unfamiliar with it, received more than $94 million from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, as well as from other globalist special interest groups such as the Ford Foundation and the Hewlett Foundation.

NBC News first spilled the beans about the “young black students,” indicating that this “diverse group of thousands of younger Americans, ranging from 16-year-old high schoolers to college students” had been tasked with “stepping in as poll workers across the country during early voting and on Election Day.”

Once installed, these “young black students,” with the help of the Poll Workers Project and The Poll Hero Project, engaged in what now appears to be a widespread vote fraud campaign that is trying to steal the election for Biden.

Basketball player Lebron James was also involved in the sham, having worked with both the NAACP Legal Defense Fund and Power the Polls to recruit more young black people to work the polling places in nearly every urban enclave where the vote counts appear to be rigged.

Bill Gates Should Be Charged With Treason
Gates, by the way, has thus far gotten what he wanted with the declared Biden “win.” The billionaire eugenicist was quick to celebrate the results being reported by the media, which has already installed Biden as the “president-elect.”


What this means, of course, is that Gates is complicit in committing treason against our nation.

His money and involvement resulted in multiple states being declared for Biden, handing him a “victory,” even though obvious election fraud took place that necessitates further investigation.

In Nevada, for instance, whistleblowers who have signed sworn affidavits say they observed Gates’ “young black students” telling people who were trying to vote without proper identification to simply apply for whatever they needed from the DMV and bring along the paperwork, even though this is legally unacceptable advice.

“We were told by (my team leader) and two other assistants to advise people who wanted to register to vote and did not have the proper Nevada ID/Driver’s License, that they could go out in the parking lot and make an appointment with the DMV to get a Nevada ID/Driver’s License, and then bring in proof of their appointment confirmation (either a paper copy or shoot it on their phone to us) and then they could be registered,” one of the whistleblowers indicated in a deposition.

“They were then permitted to vote with a provisional ballot, even though their appointments were not until January of 2021. We were told this was being allowed all over the Valley, at all polling places.”

In another instance, a whistleblower witnessed two people opening up mail-in ballot envelopes, filling them out and signing them, and putting them back into official pink and white envelopes as if they were being mailed in from legitimate voters.

“I regularly saw people walking in with multiple ballots,” this whistleblower contends. “We were not allowed to talk to the monitors or observers. We were not supposed to say anything ever to the observers.”
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GATES is not only a medical expert and wants to help people die with poisons, he also poisoned the well at the ballot box.....filled with students of terrorists

Yep, he is one of the atheist billionaire pack that is working to convert this country to atheism and communism.

 

[rjs330]

If I believe the folks in the Trump Campaign, and I do, and their lawyers and their mathematicians and engineers, there is real systemic evidence alright.

Being of a math/science/engineering background there are volumes of empirical data, without having to actually have the fraudulent ballots in hand. This data has forensic signatures of fraud written all over them, across MANY State lines.

Here is one of the most easiest examples to understand and prove. If you have the number of registered voters for each party per State including the variable of the Independent voter, and there are more ballots cast for one candidate than there are those registered for that person, and accounting for the Independents, can there be no doubt there was an irregularity committed?..of course ...and that is only the 101 level of evidence they already have today ..for all States.

Then when you have written technical documentation and log data for each electronic voting machine, time stamps, events and with hand signatures of upgrades to hardware and software and repairs W/O a renewal or updated certification, that voids the warranty and reliability and even functionality of the machines,.. can there be no doubt systemic irregularities occurred in the States. Without a re-calibration and certification this would automatically lead to doubts of honesty and foul play...they won't say the mnx folks suddenly, became lazy and inept...lol they are trained folks...and they know the procedures well..

.and they have many more types of data without producing the actual ballots..I have only cited a corner of the surface......get a hill of doubt and what do you think can happen and will be called....Biden won fair and square..not a chance!

Well that may be true. But it sounds like a lot of these claims and issues are being tossed out in court. Now it could be because the judges are corrupt or it could be they don't really have the evidence we think they do.

I just don't know. I do know that the Democratic machine is as corrupt as they come. But so far we are still struggling to prove it where it counts. And Im not confident that we will. In the end we will just be called a bunch of conspiracy theories.

 

[APAK]

Well that may be true. But it sounds like a lot of these claims and issues are being tossed out in court. Now it could be because the judges are corrupt or it could be they don't really have the evidence we think they do.

I just don't know. I do know that the Democratic machine is as corrupt as they come. But so far we are still struggling to prove it where it counts. And Im not confident that we will. In the end we will just be called a bunch of conspiracy theories.

Have patience, there has been nothing established or presented yet, let along judgment being passed. Stay away for MSM,..they will get you down every time... they lie to you....quit drinking the koolaide....:)

 

[Grailhunter]

I think you summarise the problem of bias and belief in life. I watched a debate between muslims and christians and both thought their side had one. The reason was different perspectives have their own emotional queues that define truth for them, which are different for each group, or even the meaning behind the words was different.

I believe in facts and reality. And I could give a rip about what the Muslims....Moslems believe. If Christianity is a perspective for you...good luck with that.

 

[FollowHim]

Why in the world would someone call you evil or satanic for saying we should love our neighbor? That makes no sense.

If you have a little time I can explain. Free grace says you are sealed eternally in Christ the moment you come to Christ no matter what you do after.
The enemy of free grace says there is a dependency on fruit or service or anything which is a lie of works salvation, a gospel of satan.
So you identify those of the enemy by their expression of fruit of faith, in their terms earning salvation, which then makes you evil.
A load of trigger phrases or positions is condemned to identify wolves in sheeps clothing among the flock.
So I wander in sharing love is the heart of God and His desire for us, so I must be part of the works salvation crowd and evil.

I dug a little deeper and often these folk were strict baptists who followed the law to be part of a group and condemned those outside this group as lost. In later life they fell away and came back to faith, or a version of faith that saw their past as heresy and evil. Unfortunately these folk often were also quite right wing, and saw love connected to communism and socialism, so also another reason why I must be evil.

The Jonestown massacre was brought up and I was Jones. Jones was actually a marxist pretending to be a man of faith, and led his group into insane idealism and community dominated by him as an abusing cult leader, he slept with a large number of women in his group.

So it is with good reason I am aware a few words can mean something far different than what I intend to the listeners.
It took me some time to get over this accusation and research the background to see the dangers of such ideas.
So as I said I am not surprised at what I am called or why, but I do appreciate working the issues through because often there is real pain and trouble at the bottom of it that does need to be addressed. God bless you

 

[FollowHim]

I believe in facts and reality. And I could give a rip about what the Muslims....Moslems believe. If Christianity is a perspective for you...good luck with that.

I spent 4 years talking to muslims so I know their emotional, political and ethical view point and how the Koran supports it, or rather fails to support it, as it is so vague you can get it to mean what you want.

Jesus called us to love our enemy and he was 100% right, because often our enemy is really ourselves in the mirror. It is always hard to admit what we get worked up about, our opposites are the same, so we trigger each other to get worse and worse. Once you love and see your enemy as they actually are, you also know the answer to the issues, which is always forgiveness, love and giving a kind act or word. One guy on a forum was setting up to condemn me, so I started sharing about my life and how I got to where I am and it turned out we were the same, though our words varied, we actually agreed.

What has worried me severely is this idea information is dangerous or fake. All information is biased, you just filter it to find the facts and truth, and then use that as you see fit. I often hate the way the left talk about victimisation, but some are truly victimised and need recognition. Often their analysis of why is wrong or the solutions, but it helps to see why their structure works in their mind. Sadly you can create a world with no exists, which one guy did on the free grace theology, where God cannot ask him to repent or walk in His ways, because he cannot and does not need to.
Some leftists are so locked in to exploiters and corrupt groups, no argument could reach them.

Equally some conspiracy theorists are so locked in I must be part of the illuminati for them to stay in their idiology. And there are conspiracies. One such conspiracy is to say there is fraud and there is proof, when there is no evidence or proof, but by repeating the claim it must be true. That is called a conspiracy because it is based on a known lie, which everyone knows is a lie. To align with such a lie is to become a liar, and liar are not inheritors of the Kingdom or part of the way of Jesus.

Now in truth there looks like there was suspect behaviour, but why and of what is an open question. Proof of fraud is lacking, testimony of words spoken or cars seen is just that. It is called hearsay, not evidence. And I love evidence, it is what distinguishes truth from hypothesis, and is how we progress to action with meaning.

God bless you

 

[Bobby Jo]

Why are there lines all through my last post?

It looks like you inadvertently hit some type of [function] -s- which created the STRIKETHRU text.

LOL, I've tried using STRIKETHRU by inserting a WORD document but the copied text doesn't carry the STRIKETHRU into the pasted Post. So if you figure out that [function] -- LET ME KNOW! :)

With Best Regards,
Bobby Jo

 

[Bobby Jo]

... Trump had so much more support than was generally expected. ...

Did you catch Post #2369?

It seems people are still unaware that the MASSIVE Voter Fraud is NOT at the "mail-in"; or the "polling stations"; or at the "cemeteries". IT'S AT THE "ELECTRONIC TALLY MANIPULATION", -- apparently orchestrated by the CIA.

These "shadows" are merely DIVERSIONS. Focus on the SOURCE and the SIGNIFICANT fraud, -- ELECTRONIC TALLY MANIPULATION --.

Bobby Jo