Is it a sin for a Christian to vote for a Democrat?

[Waiting on him]

One thing I’ve come to understand about scripture is, if the world hates you it’s a good likelihood your a Christian

 

[Giuliano]

I don't even think the majority of Trump supporters read the bible.
That doesn't mean they don't have morals and principles. I just don't think that Religion itself is the top priority.
I believe the FREEDOM of religion on the other hand is top priority.
That you are FREE to worship whoever or however you choose.
The Right to assemble. The Right of Free Speech.
That's what I believe he was holding in his hand.
It was a symbolic gesture in my opinion. But one that every American should agree upon.
Your right to believe or not to believe.
Your right to any denomination.. even the Church of Satan if one wishes.
Just because I dont agree with something doesn't give me the right to take away someone else's rights.
And that is what this country is all about.
And holding up a book that represents Freedom and Salvation... well, that's alright with me.
HUGS

I think Trump is mostly about symbols. There isn't that much real there, it's all symbols and words.

 

[kcnalp]

God will bless Trump for blessing Israel!

Genesis 12:3 (NKJV)
3 I will bless those who bless you, And I will curse him who curses you;

 

[Giuliano]

This is one of the reasons that I am squarely against socialism. I know this seems counterintuitive to socialists, but as the government has provided for more of people's needs, the church has stepped back. So, instead of people in need being ministered to, they are being made dependent on government, which cannot save them. They end up putting their trust in government (i.e. man) rather than God! Our national motto is NOT "In Government We Trust" for a good reason!

Only the church can offer the way to know our Savior Jesus Christ and have the abundant life that He offers!

Churches are now taking money from the government. The Trump administration called them essential businesses. I'd call that socialism.

You have WAY too much time on your hands to sit around and criticize Trump. Go help some person in need. Maybe you could volunteer with Samaritan's Purse. They're getting Christmas shoeboxes ready to send out to millions of needy children. For many of these children, this gift will be the first one they have ever received in their whole life!

And I think you have too much time on your hands when you start nasty threads like this one.

Will I get my picture taken if I do something for Samaritan's Purse?

 

[Ziggy]

Someone who would lie to his wife will also lie to you. If she can't trust him, do you think you can?

Matthew 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

But as I understand it, they had an understanding. Bill was always.....
Anywho Hillary married him so she could rise to the top.
Bill married her because she didn't care.
So I don't think he actually lied to her. He just got caught by the public eye.
In this day and age I wonder if there are any "perfect" people willing to work in a corrupt and septic government.
Your bound to get dirty even with the best cleaning "agents" .
Lots of people have been removed that were really the scum, but I wonder if it's possible to ever make it sparkle.
Human nature says no. But I still have hope in humanity.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Churches are now taking money from the government.

How do you manage to make these things about Trump?

Churches have been receiving federal funds as faith-based organizations for a long time--decades! I'm against this.

And I think you have too much time on your hands when you start nasty threads like this one.

Are you purposefully trying to smear me??? As you KNOW, I didn't start this tread.

Even if I had, it's a legitimate question.
.

 

[Ziggy]

Church has always been a business.
There were tithes and offerings. Since Cain and Abel.
Abraham paid tithes to Melchizedek
The temple was created to gather and share with the haves and have nots.
When has Church never been a business?
And when has it never been essential?

 

[kcnalp]

Churches are now taking money from the government. The Trump administration called them essential businesses. I'd call that socialism.
And I think you have too much time on your hands when you start nasty threads like this one.

Will I get my picture taken if I do something for Samaritan's Purse?

What do you call it when Dem leaders are bribed MILLONS by baby butchers?

Planned Parenthood launches $45M campaign to back Democrats in 2020

 

[kcnalp]

Someone who would lie to his wife will also lie to you. If she can't trust him, do you think you can?

Matthew 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

You're a sinner. I'm a sinner. Trump is a sinner. So what?

 

[Giuliano]

How do you manage to make these things about Trump?

Churches have been receiving federal funds as faith-based organizations for a long time--decades! I'm against this.

The stimulus money in the coronavirus was for essential businesses. Trump said they could call churches that so the churches could get the money.

Are you purposefully trying to smear me??? As you KNOW, I didn't start this tread.

Even if I had, it's a legitimate question.
.

You were first to climb onboard with whatever the OP says.

 

[Giuliano]

Church has always been a business.
There were tithes and offerings. Since Cain and Abel.
Abraham paid tithes to Melchizedek
The temple was created to gather and share with the haves and have nots.
When has Church never been a business?
And when has it never been essential?

The games people play with words. . . .

 

[Prayer Warrior]

You were first to climb onboard with whatever the OP says.

So??? If you knew that I didn't start this thread, then you lied about this being my thread.

You could easily check out your allegations, but I fear you've been listening to the liberal media for too long.

But like I already said, I consider the question in the OP to be a legitimate question. If you don't, then you're free not to answer it.

The stimulus money in the coronavirus was for essential businesses. Trump said they could call churches that so the churches could get the money.

Do you disagree with this? I said I disagree with federal funds going to churches.

What's your point??? Your tone is beginning to remind me of Grima Wormtongue.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

I posted this last night, I think. Just wondering if anyone has any comments today.

Where do the Candidates Stand on Abortion?

Abortion on Demand

The 1973 Roe v. Wade and Doe v. Bolton U.S. Supreme Court decisions legalized abortion on demand throughout the United States, resulting in more than 61 million abortions.

President Trump has proven his pro-life commitment.

As president he has appointed pro-life advocates in his cabinet and administration, restored the “Mexico City Policy,” and he has pledged “to veto any legislation that weakens current pro-life federal policies and laws, or that encourages the destruction of innocent human life.”

Joe Biden supports the current policy of abortion on demand. Joe Biden voted for the Harkin Amendment to endorse Roe v. Wade, which allows abortion for any reason. Joe Biden supports the Democratic platform of unlimited abortion even through birth.

The Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act

The Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act would prohibit abortions after the unborn child is capable of feeling pain from abortion.

In his 2019 State of the Union speech, President Donald Trump called on Congress to “pass legislation to prohibit the late-term abortion of children who can feel pain in the mother’s womb.”

When asked about prohibiting abortions after 20 weeks when the unborn child can feel pain, Joe Biden said, “I’m not going to interfere with that,” which would allow abortion through birth.

Taxpayer Funding of Abortion

President Trump opposes using tax dollars to pay for abortion. His administration issued regulations to ensure Title X funding does not go to facilities that perform or refer for abortions. He also cut off funding for the UNFPA due to their involvement in China’s forced abortion program.

Joe Biden supports using tax dollars to pay for abortion. Joe Biden says he supports elimination of the Hyde Amendment. Joe Biden voted for taxpayer funding of overseas pro-abortion organizations.

Nominations to the U.S. Supreme Court

The fundamental documents of American democracy and freedom, the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, have given us essential principles to be respected by the courts such as the “unalienable” right to life.
The next president may have the opportunity to appoint one to three justices to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Donald Trump has appointed Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh to the U.S. Supreme Court. These appointments are consistent with the belief that federal courts should enforce rights truly based on the text and history of the Constitution.

Joe Biden pledges that his judicial nominees would “support the right of privacy, on which the entire notion of a woman’s right to choose is based.”

Source: http://www.nrlc.org/uploads/records/2020POTUScomparison.pdf

 

[Ziggy]

Saying that he has always BEEN a Democrat and is a Democrat NOW are two different things.
He may HAVE been a Democrat for most of his life. He is NOW the most effective Conservative Republican President in U.S. history.

I agree with you about the Republican Party in general - it HAS been too soft.
HOWEVER - this is no longer the case with President Trump - who is holding them accountable to their platform. It's not the platform that has changed - it is the politicians who have softened.

President Trump has re-vitalized the Party and re-energized the conservative Republican voter - who now DEMAND no less from ALL of their candidates.

A little bit of History

 

[Grailhunter]

You think creating division in society is the most important aspect of society? That creating divisions is proof you are in the Light?

I don't know if the allegations you list are true or not. That list could fit Donald Trump more. Time will tell who if anyone else goes to prison.

No no no....we do not want division....we should join with evil so we can be one with Satan...whatever you do, do not argue just submit to Satan's will.....keep kissing Satan's feet Giuliano.

 

[Ziggy]

A little bit of History

 

[Prayer Warrior]

A little bit of History

I've listened to most of this video. It's good.

Trump has been very consistent in his views over time, and no, he never identified as a Democrat from what he said in this video.

Edit: He talked about China killing us on trade, a 5 billion dollar website for Obamacare (that didn't even work), etc.

 

[Ziggy]

I thought the Government was We the People.
So we the people are funding the churches that we feel are essential to we the people.
Whats wrong with that?

 

[Prayer Warrior]

I thought the Government was We the People.
So we the people are funding the churches that we feel are essential to we the people.
Whats wrong with that?

If you're asking me about this, the way the federal government works, federal funding has strings attached. IOW, whoever takes federal funding has to abide by the terms of that funding, whether it's through legislation or some executive policy.

We don't need the church controlled by the government!

 

[Ziggy]

I've listened to most of this video. It's good.

Trump has been very consistent in his views over time, and no, he never identified as a Democrat from what he said in this video.

According to (cough cough) wikipedia:

Self-described
Trump registered as a Republican in Manhattan in 1987 and since that time has changed his party affiliation five times. In 1999, Trump changed his party affiliation to the Independence Party of New York. In August 2001, Trump changed his party affiliation to Democratic. In September 2009, Trump changed his party affiliation back to the Republican Party. In December 2011, Trump changed to "no party affiliation" (independent). In April 2012, Trump again returned to the Republican Party.[4]

In a 2004 interview, Trump told CNN's Wolf Blitzer: "In many cases, I probably identify more as Democrat," explaining: "It just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans. Now, it shouldn't be that way. But if you go back, I mean it just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats...But certainly we had some very good economies under Democrats, as well as Republicans. But we've had some pretty bad disaster under the Republicans." In a July 2015 interview, Trump said that he has a broad range of political positions and that "I identify with some things as a Democrat."

I don't know how much more middle of the road someone could be.
Maybe the change in party was to be able to vote in primaries?
Changes in Party (back then) didnt have to do so much with identity politics as it did with economics.
Trump has always been a business man and economics is his game.
So maybe whoevers policies were more economically sound, thats how he voted.
But your right, his views have never changed.
HUGS