Is the messiah the father himself in flesh?

[101G]

looks like sho and 101 are bonified modalists which the church counsels condemned as heresy as do the scriptures. As Paul says in Romans 1 they exchanged the truth of God for a lie.

"LOOKS LIKE?", quit looking and start studying. walking by sight will get you in trouble, start walking by FAITH, the Spirit..

and two I rather be condemned by you and your church people than the Most High, the Lord Jesus.... YIKES!

see being condemed by men is nothing new to me, I wear it as a bag of Honor. for the Lord said, John 5:24 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life." thank you Lord Jesus, and he LOL, LOL, LOL,

and if I changet the truth into a lie as you tried to quote Romans 1, then it should be your duty to prove that I'm in a lie by the scriptures, not by some men counsels...

any time mean change their doctrine, you know it's a lie. first it was three separate Gods. when caught, then it was turned into three persons as one God. and now the three separate persons are not working. Genesis 1:26 has been taken away from you. the Baptism of the Lord three persons there has been taken away from you.

what you got left? .... NOTHING but a lie for a doctrine, and you scared to let that lie go. because you love the doctrine of men more than God. oh is that so true.

before you try to condem "Diversified Onenes" you need to know what you're condemning...... as the proverb states, Proverbs 18:13 "He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him."

instead of condemning you, really I feel sorry for you. and that's form my heart.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[DNB]

Is the father a spirit?

Are you a troll?

 

[justbyfaith]

it's an OXYMORON to say you're MONOTHEISTIC, but yet worship three person as a God, notice we said as, as, as, "a" God. that's three no matter how one try to cover it up, what a stronge delusion.

Yet you say that the Holy Spirit is "another of the same sort"...is that not two persons; and therefore polytheism, and therefore also strong delusion as you define it?

Modalism doesn't even teach three forms.
It says one God in two forms. The first form is the invisible form of God, the spirit who is the father is the invisible form of God. The father is sometimes called "holy spirit". The other form is the visible form of God, Yeshua is the visible form of the father for he is flesh. He is the image of God.

One God in two forms, invisible and visible, spirit and flesh.

But consider that the Holy Ghost has behind Him the experiential knowledge of having been human, as the Spirit that Jesus released back to the Father (Luke 23:46) who inhabiteth eternity. So that is a Spirit who is the Father (John 4:23-24, John 14:7-11, Ephesians 4:4) who is distinct from the Father in that He has lived the human life of Jesus; and He also proceeds from the Father (John 15:26).

Is the father a spirit?

Most definitely (John 4:23-24). And there is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4). And the Holy Ghost is the same Spirit (John 7:39, Ephesians 4:4).

No the Father is not "a spirit" the Father IS SPIRIT.

Is Jesus a man ? yes or no

There is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4). So if the Father is Spirit He is that one Spirit; and therefore He is "a" Spirit.

Most definitely Jesus is God (a Spirit, John 4:24) come in the flesh (1 John 4:1-3, 2 John 1:7).

Also you give me a passage where the Father is called the Holy Spirit.

Try Luke 1:35 on for size.

Wrong! The son is not the Father

I beg to differ (see Isaiah 9:6). In order to dispute that the verse in question says that Jesus is "The everlasting Father" you have to change the wording of the verse, not once, but twice. And you have another problem because you are saying that the kjv is not inspired and inerrant. Which opens up a whole other can of worms.

Distinct has to do with nature and all three have one nature- absolute divinity! they are not distinct. three separate persons who are one God.

That is actually Tritheism (three Gods) if you consider them to be actually separate.

The Holy Spirit is another (allos- another of the same kind).

Which is the teaching of @101G.

That is modalism, no look up trimodalism.

Of course the devil will always come up with a label for sound doctrine in the hopes that people will consider it to be false and not believe in the truth.

I believe that it was D. Martin Lloyd Jones who said that if you have never been accused of preaching antinomianism, you have never preached the true gospel.

It is the devil's tactic to label doctrines that he hates and identify them as heresy to those who don't know their Bibles and therefore don't know any better.

The only solution to this problem is to be a Berean (Acts of the Apostles 17:10-11) and determine for yourself through continued study of the holy scriptures what doctrines are correct by seeing how they line up with the word of the Lord.

looks like sho and 101 are bonified modalists which the church counsels condemned as heresy as do the scriptures.

I think that modalism is not condemning to the soul if one believes in it.

It is not the Trinity that is essential to salvation according to the Bible; but the Deity of Christ that is the essential doctrine (John 8:24).

Non-Sequitur!

It will always be so to you; for you do not have the logical mind that can connect the dots to see how things logically follow from one another; so you will always perceive things that are sequitur as being non-sequitur.

 

[101G]

Yet you say that the Holy Spirit is "another of the same sort"...is that not two persons; and therefore polytheism, and therefore also strong delusion as you define it?

So we can take this as you did not fully understand what was posted? ................... oh well
do you know what the "SAME" SORT means as the "ANOTHER?"

look up the term "Sort". and then get the Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words and understand what G243 allos as "ANOTHER" means.... and that will answer you concerns..... ... lol. man oh man when will they learn.

now when you look up those definitions, then get back with me for a proper discussion

again, Don't argue with 101G, argue with God. .... (smile). YIKES!

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[DNB]

It will always be so to you; for you do not have the logical mind that can connect the dots to see how things logically follow from one another; so you will always perceive things that are sequitur as being non-sequitur.

Did you just say, logical mind? You, who believes that a 17th century translation of the Bible, both commissioned and presided over by the Episcopalian King of Scotland, which originally included the Apocrypha, is both inerrant and inspired?

 

[DNB]

no the Holy Spirit is the Holy Spirit, the Father is the Father, the Son is the Son.

Christophany, you finally got it right. Now, follow the next logical step and admit that you're a tritheist.
We're almost there....

 

[DNB]

One God ( Monotheism) 3 Persons known as the Triune God. Christianity in Monotheism, not tritheism.

Out of your own mouth, '3 persons known as the triune god' ,but you deny being a tritheist, utterly absurd from start to finish.
I've never seen a doctrine in all of Christendom that has turned somewhat astute men, into babbling idiots, like trinitarian theology invariably does.
...besides, who's the guy with the cap in your avatar, that's holding you up?

 

[ChristisGod]

Out of your own mouth, '3 persons known as the triune god' ,but you deny being a tritheist, utterly absurd from start to finish.
I've never seen a doctrine in all of Christendom that has turned somewhat astute men, into babbling idiots, like trinitarian theology invariably does.
...besides, who's the guy with the cap in your avatar, that's holding you up?

ad hominem is a sure sign of defeat................

 

[ChristisGod]

Christophany, you finally got it right. Now, follow the next logical step and admit that you're a tritheist.
We're almost there....

You do not understand Christianity and I'll bet you don't understand your own belief unitariansim heresy.........

 

[DNB]

ad hominem is a sure sign of defeat................

...but, that was funny! Just a little levity!

 

[DNB]

You do not understand Christianity and I'll bet you don't understand your own belief unitariansim heresy.........

But, I do. The undeniable fact is, is that Unitarianism is the most logical, Biblical, and wise theology in all of Christendom, and therefore, the easiest to explain.
I'm sorry Christophany, but you are seriously indoctrinated, like, really!
I wouldn't dare give an ounce of credence or credibility to any of the councils that you continuously cite, and thus, show where your allegiance lies.
All the theologians throughout Church history, hold no authority in my eyes. They are extremely informative to read, and enlightening at times, but by no means infallible, inerrant nor implicitly reliable. Especially, in the way that you adhere to the Church councils and creeds. For example, how farcical and misguided was the Council of Nicaea - a gong show of Bishops, and one questionable or pseudo Christian, as presider?

 

[justbyfaith]

...but, that was funny! Just a little levity!

We are definitely fish of the sea who have been caught by the Great Fisherman (Matthew 13:47-50).

Another non-sequitur?

I don't think so.

 

[justbyfaith]

So we can take this as you did not fully understand what was posted? ................... oh well
do you know what the "SAME" SORT means as the "ANOTHER?"

look up the term "Sort". and then get the Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words and understand what G243 allos as "ANOTHER" means.... and that will answer you concerns..... ... lol. man oh man when will they learn.

now when you look up those definitions, then get back with me for a proper discussion

again, Don't argue with 101G, argue with God. .... (smile). YIKES!

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

The point is that you admit that the Holy Spirit is "another".

 

[ChristisGod]

But, I do. The undeniable fact is, is that Unitarianism is the most logical, Biblical, and wise theology in all of Christendom, and therefore, the easiest to explain.
I'm sorry Christophany, but you are seriously indoctrinated, like, really!
I wouldn't dare give an ounce of credence or credibility to any of the councils that you continuously cite, and thus, show where your allegiance lies.
All the theologians throughout Church history, hold no authority in my eyes. They are extremely informative to read, and enlightening at times, but by no means infallible, inerrant nor implicitly reliable. Especially, in the way that you adhere to the Church councils and creeds. For example, how farcical and misguided was the Council of Nicaea - a gong show of Bishops, and one questionable or pseudo Christian, as presider?

unitarians cannot be saved for they deny Jesus is I Am. John 8:24. They remain dead in their sins according to Jesus and Paul in Romans 10:13 cf Joel 2:32.

hope this helps !!!

 

[DNB]

unitarians cannot be saved for they deny Jesus is I Am. John 8:24. They remain dead in their sins according to Jesus and Paul in Romans 10:13 cf Joel 2:32.

hope this helps !!!

Non-sequitur, ...and indoctrinated!

 

[ChristisGod]

Non-sequitur, ...and indoctrinated!

Sorry its the truth which is being rejected. Christ is God as per John 1:1, John 20:28, Titus 2:13, 2 Peter 1:1, Hebrews 1:8-10, John 8:24, John 8:58 and so on and so forth.

hope this helps !!!

 

[sho]

God is only one spirit. And this spirit is the father who is sometimes called holy spirit.

 

[ChristisGod]

God is only one spirit. And this spirit is the father who is sometimes called holy spirit.

show us a verse where the Father is called " the Holy Spirit " ?

 

[sho]

show us a verse where the Father is called " the Holy Spirit " ?

you said it yourself.
you have confirmed the father is the holy spirit.

 

[sho]

the Father IS SPIRIT.