Apparitions of the Virgin Mary

[marks]

Who are you to proclaim that Mary was a sinner? If you're going to continue to run from simple questions, I'll put you on "ignore".

Who are you to declare that not only Jesus lived a sinless life?

 

[marks]

I don't know if it's a matter of bullying or becoming unhinged.

Good point!

 

[marks]

From what I understand, there were many eyewitness reports. You can find info on the Internet. Personally, I don't know what to make of the apparitions, so I usually stay out of these debates.

I consider those who promote these, and look at the example of their lives, at least as much as I can tell from the internet, or those whom I know.

We were told by Jesus that we'll know the tree by it's fruit.

Much love!

 

[Grailhunter]

I don't think this is fair and honest dialog.

Another Catholic determined to bully 'the protestants', that's what I'm seeing.

Much love!

You are going to have to study a little deeper.
For one, how do you think Hades got into the KJV? lol Hades is a Geek god...that presides over a realm called Hades. The Hades does not appear in the OT or the NT....Find the reason why the KJV wanted to use it. The reasoning will be close to the reason why the KJV wanted to insert the Latin word Lucifer in an English translation.
Deep study.....
And like I said you will have fun debating these things. I am not going to take a side on the issue because there are too many varying beliefs.

 

[ChristisGod]

Is it possible that God made her perfect and blessed her so in order that she could remain free of sin?

IMPOSSIBLE !

Whoever believes mary is sinless is calling GOD a LIAR.

End of discussion.

Romans 3:23
For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

1 John 1:8-9
8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Prayer Warrior]

I consider those who promote these, and look at the example of their lives, at least as much as I can tell from the internet, or those whom I know.

We were told by Jesus that we'll know the tree by it's fruit.

Much love!

This is fair. I haven't looked into it much. I'm hesitant to say that they CANNOT be legit because I don't know.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

You are going to have to study a little deeper.
For one, how do you think Hades got into the KJV? lol Hades is a Geek god...that presides over a realm called Hades. The Hades does not appear in the OT or the NT....Find the reason why the KJV wanted to use it. The reasoning will be close to the reason why the KJV wanted to insert the Latin word Lucifer in an English translation.
Deep study.....
And like I said you will have fun debating these things. I am not going to take a side on the issue because there are too many varying beliefs.

FYI, @marks was talking about a discussion between me and k9Buck in which k9 was misrepresenting what I believe.

 

[Grailhunter]

What does it mean to you that "in Adam, all die"?

Much love!

If you talking about the fact that the sin of Eden would cause the death of Adam and Eve and their descendants...that is pretty much the storyline. God said ~~ On the day you eat of it, you shall surely die....well it is apparent that He meant that on that day he would start to die. But that is not discussing babies born in sin.

In the period of Augustine he is going with the flow where the church pretty much thought that women and sex were of the devil.
So if it involved sex and a woman it had to involve sin. I can provide statements of the ECF that believed all this. But it is a lie.
God's first commandment...be fruitful and multiply...is repeated throughout the OT, as with the promise to His champions that their descendants would be like the dust of the earth....sands of the shores....stars in heaven etc. God created desire, God created the physical aspects of the sexual union and conception.....But early Christianity wanted to link it to the devil.

 

[Taken]

oh boy now you know what Jesus looked like lol........................

Only what Scripture reveals....
As I said...
Not particularly handsome, nor particularly tall, or having Particular fine apparel ...
Outside things...^^...when Jesus' teaching is about what is on the inside that matters.

Isa 53:
[2] For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

Luke 19:
[2] And, behold, there was a man named Zacchaeus, which was the chief among the publicans, and he was rich.
[3] And he sought to see Jesus who he was; and could not for the press, because he was little of stature.
[4] And he ran before, and climbed up into a sycomore tree to see him: for he was to pass that way.

John 20:
[1] ... Mary Magdalene ...
[14] And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.
[15] Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.

Glory to God
Taken

 

[marks]

So praying to the mother of Jesus is the same as hiring a medium?

How is this different from trying to speak with Auntie Tilde who passed on after the Great War?

 

[Prayer Warrior]

But that is not discussing babies born in sin.

Why is this idea a problem? David said he was conceived in sin (Ps 51:5).

I believe that ALL people--whosoever--can choose to receive Jesus Christ as their Savior.

 

[Taken]

Not picking on you but you brought up some interesting topics….and we should think of making a thread on it.

Make some threads on those topics.


Taken

 

[marks]

I don't know. Maybe because nobody would have followed a woman???

That's a light dodge for a serious question.

If Mary could intercede for us, why did we need Jesus?

 

[Taken]

oh boy now you know what Jesus looked like lol........................

Which is according to scripture. Why is That funny?

 

[marks]

Is it possible that God made her perfect and blessed her so in order that she could remain free of sin?

It's possible that God made her from Bleu Cheese.

All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. In saying all, it is evident that the God of Whose glory all are fallen is excepted.

Otherwise, all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

Much love!

 

[Berserk]

By now I hope some of you are open-minded enough to watch the BBC Medjugorje documentary. I showed it to my college students in my "Nature of Religious Experience" course and they seemed to love it, especially the part where Father Jozo, who opposed the visionary children, is interviewed and recounts how God spoke to him in an audible voice in his office and said, "Protect my children. Then I will tell you what to do!" Just Then the children flee the Communist police through a corn field. The police want to arrest them for inspiring the influx of thousands of pilgrims to the village. and the child visionaries are frantically knocking on the locked church door right after God speaks to the hostile priest. He is later arrested himself and given a 3 year sentence.

When I was a pastor, I conducted a monthly Friday night free potluck dinner and move night. The audiences were mostly Evangelical. One of the most popular movies I showed them was the 1943 movie, "The Song of Bernadette," the story of how the miracle-filled healing pilgrimages to Lourdes were inspired by Bernadette's visions of Mary at age 14. The movie won 4 Academy Awards, including Best Actress (Jennifer Jones). In my view her performance as Bernadette is the best female acting performance ever put on screen. I was shocked at how enthusiastic the Evangelical response to this movie was. One Evangelical said it was her all-time favorite movie! Unlike the apparitions at Medjugorje, the Catholic church has officially recognized the genuineness of Bernadette's visions. You can watch the whole movie here:

 

[Taken]

I don't know. Maybe because nobody would have followed a woman???

It's about ORDER And WAY God Decided.
Christ First, then Man, then Woman.

Taken

 

[marks]

Jesus was not asking deceased people to pray for Him when He appeared with Moses and Elijah at the "Transfiguration." I believe that He was in heaven with them having a conversation while standing on the mountain to illustrate that the two realms (heaven and earth) are parallel, so to speak. I'm sure that my belief is very controversial to some, but whatever. Now, they can go after me instead of you.

There are many Scriptures that show this, I think.

And besides, seeing the Son of God glorified, and speaking with those who are in the heavenly realm, that's not the same thing as Christians praying to Elijah, or Mary.

Much love!

 

[Grailhunter]

Why is this idea a problem? David said he was conceived in sin (Ps 51:5).

I believe that ALL people--whosoever--can choose to receive Jesus Christ as their Savior.

You know that might be right. lol David was a character. If my mom and dad were not married, whether I was really conceived in sin is one thing and actually is another, but it could be said. David's mom might have been married to another....you know how David is a fan of adultery. Maybe his mom was a witch and that is why the Bible does not list her name. lol Someone proclaiming something about themselves does not make for all time for everyone.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Someone proclaiming something about themselves does not make for all time for everyone.

This is true, but David was talking about his moral failings in Psalms 51, so I have always taken his statement ("in sin did my mother conceive me") to be a more general statement than the circumstances of his conception.