Apparitions of the Virgin Mary

[Taken]

Hokey lol. A woman once told me she saw Jesus. I asked what did He look like? She said fair hair blue eyes. I was like what?? hokey!.. I only ever had two dreams about Jesus since believing in Him, and I never saw His face. got the feeling I wasn’t supposed to either...Never seen mary or angels.

Angel's are spirits. They have the power to Appear...AS... men.
God is Spirit. His Power is Greater than His Created angels...
But somehow...men do not comprehend, He can Appear AS a man, with as much or little Power, within that man, as God decides!

Jesus, did Not Come to Earth with Great Power...He came to Earth humbled, without His Reputation...as a Righteous Servant With a Great Truth!

And BTW, Jesus was fairly short, and not a particularly handsome man.
He did not come to attract People by a tall stature and handsomeness and draped in Fine Apparel.
He came to Impress it is what is ON the Inside of a man, is that which matters...
And to Teach men What Exactly on the inside, is Corrupt and Can be ... restored and Made anew.

Light hair and blue eyes....funny. Not particularly the common outer look of an ancient Jew.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[kcnalp]

2 Corinthians 11:14-15 (NKJV)
14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.

People are so gullible!

 

[Taken]

True, apart from what is written

There is no Scriptural written evidence Earthly persons, Enoch, Elijah, Moses, or Mary Bodily went to Heaven.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

I find it fascinating that God would have Elijah and Moses body go directly to heaven

I find it strange that you preach God had Elijah's Body and Moses' Body go straight to Heaven....

Where does any Scripture Say God would have Elijah's Body and Moses' Body Go straight to Heaven?

Taken

 

[Grailhunter]

Not picking on you but you brought up some interesting topics….and we should think of making a thread on it.

All souls Went to Hell, Before Jesus arrived on Earth…..@Taken

No, all souls went to Shoal before Christ arrived on Earth.

Enoch, Elijah, Moses, Mary or any other Earthly man of Dust Bodily went to Heaven. @Taken

You are right, the Bible does not say where they went. So that is the question…where did some or all of them go?

People have all kinds of beliefs regarding heaven, hell, and what happens between death and judgment and what is it like.

How many levels of heaven, how many levels of shoal, and how many levels of hell….what was Christ referring to when He said paradise?

Are we conscience between death and resurrection? What are we doing between death and resurrection? What is the resurrection like?

When Enoch, Elijah, Moses, and Mary talk, where are they, what is their state / status? Are they unique or is that the norm?

Where are good people between death and resurrection, where are bad people between death and resurrection, where are the unsaved between death and resurrection? I can guarantee you there are more than one belief regarding these questions and none can be proven conclusively. The phrase “talking to the dead” is a misnomer, dead bodes don’t usually talk and souls are not dead. Did Saul talk to the dead? Did Christ talk to the dead? The scriptures mention those that sleep.

No fault can be given to these differing beliefs because the Bible says different things and gives different examples.
The resurrection of the bodies.
The transfiguration.
The story of Lazarus and the rich man.
The account of Christ raising Lazarus.

Then there is the lack of information about heaven, shoal, paradise, and hell.
You can certainly discuss and debate all this but, you will find that each side will have scriptures that support their beliefs. It will be smart to be civil because each side will present scriptural statements and examples.

 

[Taken]

Nowhere does Scripture say that the Mother of God
Hi,

You make a very good point. Nowhere does Scripture say that the Mother of God ...

Curious Mary

No where does Scripture say "Mother of God",
So to argue If some nonexistent thing can pray to God, is ludicrist.

Taken

 

[marks]

What I feel/think about it doesn't matter. It only matter what Scripture says.

After we have professed our faith in Jesus and become regenerated by the Holy Spirit in baptism we, at times, will separate ourselves from God by sinning. It is these times that we are called to be reconciled to God. According to Scripture He has given us the 'ministry of reconciliation' (2 Corinthians 5:18).

So to be reconciled to God is to confess your sins either to Him or the minister who was given that authority (John 20:23).

Peace

OK, so in your view, reconciliation is somethat that happens between God and the regenerate, to restore the separation induced by their sins. That there is a relationship that the regenerate have with God, and that relationship is broken by sin, but that if the sin is confessed to God or to His agent, then the relationship is restored. This is correct?

So then in Romans 5
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement (Lit. reconciliation).

What does it mean to you that "we were reconciled to God by the death of His Son"? And how did that happen "when we were enemies"?

Much love!

 

[marks]

If even one of the many reported apparitions of Mary is true, would you agree that Mary is worthy of adoration and prayer requests? Or is it your view that, if the bible doesn't explicitly support a particular activity, then it cannot be done?

I don't think one thing has to do with the other. Whether or not someone appears on this world from beyond the grave doesn't have an impact on whether or not I pray to God alone.

I assume you mean "must not be done", rather than "cannot be done". Certainly many people pray to Mary. But does it give them any benefit? It sound's like a huge assumption to me.

I seem to remember, though, a lot in Scripture about praying to God, and nothing about praying to anyone else, at least in a favorable light, aside from the temporal kind. Making petition of a king, for instance.

But is there anywhere in the Bible of someone praying to some celestial being aside from God, that is approved? I just can't think of one.

Much love!

 

[marks]

How is it a "very serious problem" if Catholics have mistakenly attributed a higher level of holiness to the mother of our savior? Will Catholics burn in Hell for such a belief? If not, what will be the serious consequence for those who hold such a mistaken belief?

And what about non-Catholic Christians that have mistaken beliefs? What's going to happen to them?

I'm here on the premise that we are all relying on the death and resurrection of Christ to restore us to relationship with God, conquering over our sin. And in my understanding, all who are doing that are my brothers and sisters.

How serious a problem?

How far down the wrong road do you go, if going down another road is The Way? Does it cost us salvation? I'm not the one to say.

Where is our reliance? In Christ? Or in His earthly human mother?

What if our true maturity and fruitfulness comes in focusing on Christ, but instead, are many people who focus so much on Mary, and other Christians who have died? Are they reaching the maturity in Christ that is available to them?

Much love!

 

[marks]

We'll know the answer when we're with God, but not before. Everything else is based on faith and interpretations. It's possible that Mary WAS with sin and that God cleansed her. Again, who knows?

I think we can know. The quoted passage . . . in Adam All die.

It's been pointed out that Enoch and Elijah both escaped death. So maybe Paul is talking about a different death?

IF these words are true . . . and I believe they are . . . in Adam all die. If Mary was a descendant of Adam, she died. And if we're not talking about physiological death, since not all seem to have died that way, then we must be talking about dead in transgression and sin, which harmonizes throughout the Scriptures.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Some of our Christian brethren apparently have a strong dislike of Mary.

That doesn't seem fair. Cannot someone have the greatest liking and appreciation for someone, while not believing they have some certain role?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Perhaps Mary was supernaturally protected from inheriting original sin. Or is it your contention that God put his holy son into an unholy womb?

Jesus fully shared in the human experience, yet without sin. He is not ashamed to call us brothers.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Ya, don't believe in original sin...it is a lie.

What does it mean to you that "in Adam, all die"?

Much love!

 

[marks]

What's "bizarre" is that you apparently believe that a sinner can get just as good spiritual advice from a pagan than a Christian priest.

What's bizarre to me is the idea of a "Christian priest" to other Christians.

This is where I feel that the common understanding of what it means to be reconciled to God, and justified by God, to fall woefully short!

Much love!

 

[marks]

Protestants apparently believe that Mary was on the same level as a crack whore from the ghetto. So be it. At least they believe she exists, unlike atheists.

This is dive into the gutter.

Utter nonsense!

Either you think Mary to be all the CC teaches, or you think she's no better than a crack whore!

 

[marks]

For protestants, all of God's works ended with the bible. If it's not in the bible, then it wasn't inspired by God. And if God is no longer active in our lives, then why to protestants continue to pray to him? They contradict themselves and then get hateful and abusive when they're called out for it.

More nonsense. The gloves seem to be coming off.

And you call others hateful? I've been reading your posts. Perhaps you should.

Much love!

 

[ChristisGod]

Angel's are spirits. They have the power to Appear...AS... men.
God is Spirit. His Power is Greater than His Created angels...
But somehow...men do not comprehend, He can Appear AS a man, with as much or little Power, within that man, as God decides!

Jesus, did Not Come to Earth with Great Power...He came to Earth humbled, without His Reputation...as a Righteous Servant With a Great Truth!

And BTW, Jesus was fairly short, and not a particularly handsome man.
He did not come to attract People by a tall stature and handsomeness and draped in Fine Apparel.
He came to Impress it is what is ON the Inside of a man, is that which matters...
And to Teach men What Exactly on the inside, is Corrupt and Can be ... restored and Made anew.

Light hair and blue eyes....funny. Not particularly the common outer look of an ancient Jew.

Glory to God,
Taken

oh boy now you know what Jesus looked like lol........................

 

[Taken]

Not picking on you but you brought up some interesting topics….and we should think of making a thread on it.

All souls Went to Hell, Before Jesus arrived on Earth…..@Taken

No, all souls went to Shoal before Christ arrived on Earth.

If it pleases you to write some words in Hebrew Aramaic, (Sheol) or perhaps Greek (Hades)...I prefer English, along with all the other words I write in English...(Hell).

Regardless of the language...it's the same place.
Sheol, Hades, Hell.

Enoch, Elijah, Moses, Mary or any other Earthly man of Dust Bodily went to Heaven. @Taken

You are right, the Bible does not say where they went. So that is the question…where did some or all of them go?

Same place all men of faith went...
Body returned to Earth.
Living soul to hell with Abraham.

Mary the Exception, since she Bodily Died After Jesus returned to Heaven.
Her body returned to the Earth.
Her living soul, Quickened Spirit, went to Heaven.

How many levels of heaven, how many levels of shoal, and how many levels of hell….what was Christ referring to when He said paradise?

Heavens: Three, For particular things.
Hell: One, Different areas.
Paradise: wherever the Tree of Life is Revealed to be at a particular time.

Are we conscience between death and resurrection?

Dead Body- conscience? No.
Living Soul departed out of a dead Body-
Conscience? Yes.

What are we doing between death and resurrection?

Dead Body- rotting.
* Living Saved Soul- in Heaven, worshiping God- serving God-
* Living Unsaved Soul- miserable, wanting what they can not hope to have.

What is the resurrection like?

Haven't experienced Resurrection...
But for the Saved...
I would say it is "Like" The indescribable Love to see the Face of ones own newborn child.

For the unsaved...
I would say it is "Like" seeing their own disgusting rotting flesh for the first time.

When Enoch, Elijah, Moses, and Mary talk, where are they,

THEY Bodily- likely have rotted away returned to Dust.

what is their state / status?

Restored Living soul, in Heaven.
Quickened Living spirit, in Heaven.

Are they unique or is that the norm?

Unique? Normal?
* They are Bodily dead;
normal, not unique.
* Their souls and spirits are in Heaven;
Unique for the Faithful of Dead Bodies.
- Does NOT apply to the unfaithful.

Where are good people between death and resurrection,

Good people? Couldn't say.

where are bad people between death and resurrection,

Bad people? couldn't say.

where are the unsaved between death and resurrection?

Dead bodies- rotting returning to Dust.
Living soul in Hell.
Natural spirit dead when natural body died.
(No Born Again spirit)

I can guarantee you there are more than one belief regarding these questions and none can be proven conclusively.

I am well aware of differing beliefs...and WELL aware of beliefs, expounded even on this forum...
From a multiple of Sources, that I give no consideration.

No fault can be given to these differing beliefs because the Bible says different things and gives different examples.

Ofcourse Scripture gives multiple Examples....of WHO the Scripture is being Applied TO.

Do you Apply to you what Applied to A Hebrew under the Mosaic Law? A Jew Under Jewish Law? An Unbelieving Gentile? I don't. I am not those things.
No do I apply to me a Law Which Applies to citizens of Russia, or China, or Cuba, or US States, that I am not a citizen of such places.

Then there is the lack of information about heaven, shoal, paradise, and hell.

I disagree.

I don't require a lecture in civility.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[marks]

You're talking about comments I made. Are you going to keep talking around me because I said that one of your comments was stupid because it was so offensive? Plus, you're STILL ignoring the fact that I said that Mary was blessed among women and that I admire her greatly!

Why are you choosing to ignore what I have said to you and then say that I said things that I didn't say? I don't understand. Do you love the truth or not?

BTW, just because I said your comment was stupid, I don't believe that YOU are stupid. To the contrary, I believe that you are smart.

I don't think this is fair and honest dialog.

Another Catholic determined to bully 'the protestants', that's what I'm seeing.

Much love!

 

[Prayer Warrior]

I don't think this is fair and honest dialog.

Another Catholic determined to bully 'the protestants', that's what I'm seeing.

Much love!

I don't know if it's a matter of bullying or becoming unhinged.