Edward Fudge: Hero Or Heretic?

[bbyrd009]

She stated in one of their meetings that some alive at that time would see Jesus, and all there have since died!

hopefully one or two saw Him as He is tho eh

Cult is meant to be a "dirty word", as it describes a group or church that claims to be Christian. and yet is not!

lol, and being as how that is your understanding, thats the only understanding that there is right

yeh, you are def in the right place i guesss :)

Jesus told to us there is exists after death eternally heaven and Hell

that is what we are led to believe anyway, yes

the kingdom of heaven is within you
I came that you might have life, more abundantly
.

Jesus told to us there is exists after death eternally heaven and Hell

so Quote that then :)

Sin has an eternal sin debt to must be paid to God, so either we are saved by Jesus paying it in full, or else we will have to for all eternity

No son of man may die for another's sins;

 

[bbyrd009]

In Noah's day, God killed off all animals and men (not in the ark) who did what?

no offense but you are taking that literally when it likely was not meant to be

Some day maybe, you'll figure it out.

narf, superior much?

 

[ChristisGod]

no offense but you are taking that literally when it likely was not meant to be

oh so there was no flood, ark, death etc in Noahs day its all just a fairy-tale ?

 

[bbyrd009]

i would call it a mythology, but i guess to you that means "fairy tale," even though that is not true either i guess
mythology, until very recently, was the only way we had to preserve truth

oh so there was no flood, ark, death etc in Noahs day its all just a fairy-tale ?

Israelite Origins: putting away childish things | Biblical Historical Context

ah sorry gotta run manana, and have a nice eve ok

 

[ChristisGod]

Israelite Origins: putting away childish things | Biblical Historical Context

ah sorry gotta run manana, and have a nice eve ok

I don't need a link,

GOT SCRIPTURE ?

 

[amadeus]

Cult is meant to be a "dirty word", as it describes a group or church that claims to be Christian. and yet is not!

In someone's opinion! But what does God have to say about it? He who looks at the heart of a man without regard to all of the absolute "truths" people have found that were not where Jesus was...!

 

[BarneyFife]

She stated in one of their meetings that some alive at that time would see Jesus, and all there have since died!

No, she said that the angel in her vision said that. It was figurative, meant to teach a lesson. Just like there was no real bronze, gold, silver, and iron figure like the one that appeared in Nebuchadnezzar's dream. Like there were no cow-eating cows like the ones that appeared in Pharoah's dream.

101 Questions - About Ellen White and Her Writings

 

[BarneyFife]

In a Court of Law, that is true. However this is a debate/discussion. Similarly, the burden of proof falls on the affirmative side

I didn't affirm any of the junk you listed. You accused. Doubtless, you'll find some way to skirt around this, too.

 

[BarneyFife]

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[BarneyFife]

THAT above is not a part of their 28 Fundamental Beliefs
I copied what I did from the web page on their fundamental beliefs Thus you err on that part.

The Millennium and the End of Sin | Adventist.org

Also, the word "reconnect"is not a part of the words of the Bible, in the OT nor in the NT. Therefore, you err again.

Neither is "trinity." Do you promote anti-trinitarianism?

 

[BarneyFife]

No son of man may die for another's sins;

Unless He is also God, no? ;)

 

[BarneyFife]

In someone's opinion! But what does God have to say about it? He who looks at the heart of a man without regard to all of the absolute "truths" people have found that were not where Jesus was...!

Is it okay to believe there is absolute truth as long as we admit we are all far from it?

 

[Giuliano]

hopefully one or two saw Him as He is tho eh
lol, and being as how that is your understanding, thats the only understanding that there is right

yeh, you are def in the right place i guesss :)

that is what we are led to believe anyway, yes

the kingdom of heaven is within you
I came that you might have life, more abundantly
.

so Quote that then :)

No son of man may die for another's sins;

Psalm 146:3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.

 

[Giuliano]

Unless He is also God, no? ;)

Can God die?

 

[ChristisGod]

Can God die?

as a man yes, hence the necessity for the Incarnation.

 

[BarneyFife]

Can God die?

It would seem that He did.

 

[justbyfaith]

It's been about six pages since I last posted, and there is too much for me to be able to comment on all of it. So I am bowing out of the discussion.

I will say this, however.

I have noticed that there is an argumentative spirit brewing in some here.

This is what the scripture says on the matter:

Phl 2:14, Do all things without murmurings and disputings:
Phl 2:15, That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

And I would say that there must be some here who do not have Christ; because they enter into the fray with both guns flashing.

And while it may not be Christlike to judge those who come into the discussion in such a manner; it is also un-Christlike to enter the discussion in such a manner. And something needs to be said about it.

Unbelievers coming in and looking from the outside will believe that Christians are argumentative and will be turned off to Christianity.

I am not pointing out anyone in particular; but if you are guilty in this regard, I'm pretty certain that you know who you are.

 

[Giuliano]

It would seem that He did.

God is life. God is cause, not effect. God does not change.

Malachi 3:6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

 

[ChristisGod]

God is life. God is cause, not effect. God does not change.

Malachi 3:6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

are you saying God did not became a man ?

 

[bbyrd009]

I don't need a link,

GOT SCRIPTURE ?

the link is nothing but Scripture, literally discredited
you need a link really bad ok :)

i dont want you to take this wrong, but you will find that you can take everything you know right now and just pitch it, bc its crap. Everything. You dont know what satan's dialectic is yet, you dont know what the naive dialectic--in which Scripture was written btw--is yet, and i know this sounds ridic ok but you have not even started Reading the Bible yet, as weird as that prolly sounds. Not meaning to say that i am so good at it either ok. But yes you, more than most believers even, need that link, and i say that precisely bc you have the gall to say "i dont need a link"

and i wish you the best ok, whatever you decide to believe, bc tbh idc what you believe, and i srsly doubt Yah does either :)
'nite