I'm a Christian and I support the legality of same-sex marriage

[Ronald Nolette]

I support freedom and personal choice. I do not want to live under a theocracy. Therefore, religious doctrine should NOT be used to regulate another's behavior, such as same-sex relations or marriage. I DO support laws that protect being victimized by another. For example, murder, assault, abortion, etc. should be ILLEGAL because they adversely affect an innocent, third-party. Same-sex marriage does not.

Frankly, the government should NOT be in the marriage "business". Why should citizens have to pay a fee to the government to get a marriage license? State governments should get OUT. Then, two consenting, competent adults can get "married" within their private organization and they can tell us everyone they're "married" and we can choose to recognize it or ignore it. Courts can continue to deal with marital issues as they are the arbitrator for all sorts of contracts, including marriage.

As well, I will remind my Christian friends that, God gave us free will to make our own choices. Who are we to restrict another's free will by imposing laws against behavior that doesn't affect us in the slightest? While we're at it, I also believe that prostitution, drug use and gambling should also be legal.

YOu shall hate heaven then, for God is absolute king and dictator of Creation! It is his way or the high way.

Homosexuality is a sin and God never supports sin.

Rom. 1: 32 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

If we support marriage God doesn't recognize- then we share in the sin and consequences.

 

[Rita]

Why would you be glad? It's a serious question. Are you glad if someone is stopped from destroying themself in one way, but not in another way?

What about cutting? Slicing one's flesh open due to an emotional/mental disorder? Risking infection, exsanguination, death?

A high risk behavior with no true upside and a seriously dangerous downside?


Much love!

Having a son who self harms, making it illegal or relaying that what he is doing is wrong would not stop him or solve the problem. Making something illegal can sometimes just push something into hiding, not stopping it just making it a secret thing.

I have written a few responses to this thread, but deleted them.
I kind of think I understand what the OP is getting at. I have always separated state and church , in so much as I know that not all the rules being laid down by the authorities are going to be in line with scripture , and as not everyone in society is a Christian I would not expect that kind of control either. I also know that not everyone within the society I live in is going to act in a Christian way.
I am also well aware that I didn’t live as a Christian before I came to know Jesus - I didn’t follow the rules, but the Lord didn’t just abandon me to hell - he sort me out and led me to faith.
You only have to look at scripture to see that from very early on there was always immorality existing around the people of God, no amount of control or rules changed that, why do so many Christians expect that non Christians should and can conform to their way of life, especially without Jesus helping them to do so.

I might end up deleting that response as well - just in that frame of mind at the moment.
Rita

 

[K9Buck]

The Declaration of Independence, which is a founding document, clearly cites our Creator as the source of our rights. It's our history. I suggest that you find a real history book (not revisionist) that doesn't leave out our Christian heritage and read it.

This has all been covered on this forum here: Did America Have a Christian Founding?

This article is long, but very balanced and worth the read if you care to educate yourself.

Why the insults?

 

[K9Buck]

If we support marriage God doesn't recognize- then we share in the sin and consequences.

By that standard, you are guilty of supporting others of worshipping false Gods by virtue of you not trying to outlaw all other religions.

There's a difference between "supporting" another's belief and allowing them to do their own thing.

 

[K9Buck]

The Creator God.

Much love!

Should we outlaw Buddhism in America?

 

[K9Buck]

Why would you be glad? It's a serious question. Are you glad if someone is stopped from destroying themself in one way, but not in another way?

What about cutting? Slicing one's flesh open due to an emotional/mental disorder? Risking infection, exsanguination, death?

A high risk behavior with no true upside and a seriously dangerous downside?

Much love!

Suicide removes the possibility of change in this life. Cutting does not.

 

[marks]

Suicide removes the possibility of change in this life. Cutting does not.

Cutting can kill you.

I'm not saying making self harm a felony and put them in prison, but shouldn't we have legal teeth in being able to pull someone back from that ledge?

Much love!

 

[K9Buck]

YOu shall hate heaven then, for God is absolute king and dictator of Creation! It is his way or the highway.

I follow Jesus too. Why should I "hate" Heaven? Is it because that, like God, I too am willing to let my fellow man retain his own free will? Should we be raiding nightclubs and keeping the attendees captive for the night in order to prevent them from sinning through drunkenness and pre-marital sex?

 

[marks]

Should we outlaw Buddhism in America?

I don't think so. I'm not really thinking of legislating thoughts or belief.

Much love!

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Why the insults?

No insults intended. A lot of the more recent U.S. history books present revisionist history. Just didn’t know if you’ve read real history.

Like I said, the article I posted a link to is very balanced and, I believe, fairly accurate. I’d be interested to know what you think about it.

 

[K9Buck]

Cutting can kill you.

I'm not saying making self harm a felony and put them in prison, but shouldn't we have legal teeth in being able to pull someone back from that ledge?

Much love!

There is probably a moral/ethical argument for euthanasia, but then this thread will go in another direction. Perhaps you can create a thread and I will share my thoughts on the matter there.

 

[K9Buck]

No insults intended. A lot of the more recent U.S. history books present revisionist history. Just didn’t know if you’ve read real history.

Like I said, the article I posted a link to is very balanced and, I believe, fairly accurate. I’d be interested to know what you think about it.

Thank you.

 

[K9Buck]

I don't think so. I'm not really thinking of legislating thoughts or belief.

Much love!

Worshipping another "god" is the greatest sin aside from blaspheming the holy spirit. So you are in favor of opposing the legality of same-sex marriage but not the worship of a false god?

 

[K9Buck]

Rebellious people argue against GOD...
Bobby Jo

On the contrary, I am simply permitting others to be able to exercise their God-given, free will. I believe it is you who is rebelling against God's wishes by denying another their free will.

 

[K9Buck]

The argument isn't about whether or not homosexuality is a sin. It is. The argument is whether or not we should, through the force of government, prevent others from exercising their free will.

 

[K9Buck]

If you don't want to truly live under a theocracy, if you don't have no faith in a theocracy which means God rule then you won't.

I'm all for it. But this isn't God's kingdom - yet.

I'm willing to be persuaded. Can you, or anyone else, show where Jesus commanded us to, through the force of government, to legislate and restrict others from engaging in immoral behavior?

 

[K9Buck]

No.

I believe the problem with the argument to prohibit same-sex marriage is that its advocates are unwilling to do the same for many other forms of moral disobedience.

 

[marks]

So you are in favor of opposing the legality of same-sex marriage

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. We haven't decided whether to oppose cutting, which is a more acute risk. A person can die today because of it. The person who is involved in same sex relations may not die because of it for some time, or not at all, and if they are already in it, much of the physiological harm has been done, in the skewing of the mind, so in my mind it's more chronic at the point when they are talking about being 'married'.

And are you so certain that homosexuality isn't worship of a false god?

Do you know that in calling homosexuality an "abomination", remember, Moses complaint to Pharaoh? Sacrifice in the land, he said, Moses said No, we can't, your people will stone us because we sacrifice the abomination of Egypt!

They were going to sacrifice cows, and the Egyptians worshipped cows.

Much love!

 

[Prayer Warrior]

I believe the problem with the argument to prohibit same-sex marriage is that its advocates are unwilling to do the same for many other forms of moral disobedience.

First, as others have said, there really is no such thing as same-sex MARRIAGE. God invented marriage, and He is the only One who can define it. Jesus made it clear in Matthew that marriage is between one man and one woman.

Matt 19:4-6--"Haven’t you read,” He replied, “that He who created them in the beginning made them male and female,” and He also said: “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two will become one flesh? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has joined together, man must not separate.”

I disagree with you about other forms of moral infractions. Both fornication and adultery were illegal in America. Sodomy, specifically, was illegal. Sexual activities with children are still illegal--THANK GOD! There used to be much more stringent laws concerning divorce.... Stealing, certain forms of lying (such as perjury), murder, etc. are still illegal.

As morals have generally become much more lax in America, so have our laws. I don't see this as a positive development when you look at the consequences.

 

[Bobby Jo]

On the contrary, I am simply permitting others to be able to exercise their God-given, free will. ...

... and because they choose to go to HELL, you'll have THEIR BLOOD on YOUR HEAD because YOU didn't warn them of the consequences! :)

Bobby Jo