BarneyFife
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Where is that method outlined in scripture? Just curious. Really. :)First we need to accept Gods gift of free salvation in repentance, and secondly we need to remember what happened to Adam and Eve.
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Where is that method outlined in scripture? Just curious. Really. :)First we need to accept Gods gift of free salvation in repentance, and secondly we need to remember what happened to Adam and Eve.
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There is a lot more to it than that as you will know. Obviously we cannot accept God's gift of free salvation unless we first believe (a) in God and (b) that he died and rose again, and (c)......you know the rest.Where is that method outlined in scripture? Just curious. Really. :)
There is a lot more to it than that as you will know. Obviously we cannot accept God's gift of free salvation unless we first believe (a) in God and (b) that he died and rose again, and (c)......you know the rest. :)
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First we need to accept Gods gift of free salvation in repentance, and secondly we need to remember what happened to Adam and Eve.
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That is all that is needed, and for those people 2 Peter 2:21 does not apply.Why do i need to remember about A & E?
what are they to me?
A.) nothing.
I'll just concern myself with Jesus.
He's the only reason im accepted by God.
WRONG.The same Jesus who saved you, keeps you saved.
= Once you are saved by Jesus, you are Kept SAVED by Jesus.
So, whatever you are trusting in to get you into heaven, that isn't Jesus= is a fail.
Wake up.
WRONG.
That's NOT what the Bible teaches . . .
Romans 11:22
“See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who fell, but God's kindness to you, provided you REMAIN in his kindness;. .
Just as I thought.To remain in God's Kindness is to be born again.
Its God's Kindness that is the reason a person is born again.
God on the CROSS, redeeming the sin of the World, is "God's Kindness".
God's kindness is not based on how we behave, its based on God's love and mercy.
Jesus didn't go to the Cross so that later God will evaluate His mercy based on our behavior after we receive God's Mercy as our Salvation.
This is why Salvation is a Gift.
You, as all Mary Cultist teach, would have God's kindness be based on a person's behavior.
That's Legalism, and its the devil's doctrine.
Legalsim refutes and denies God's kindness and reduces God to saving you based on you and not based on His Mercy.
Legalism is the gospel of self effort that all Mary Cultist believe is the real gospel.
Just as I thought.
I’ve presented these SAME verses about a half dozen times to you - and every time you have FAILED to address them because they refute your OSAS heresy.
Unfortunately – those of YOU who worship at the altar of John Calvin and Martin Luther believe that God is a great big Monster who sends people kicking and screaming into Hell against their will because they’re not part of the “Predestined Elect”.
You also believe Him to be a Cosmic Rapist who forces His love on those “Elect” and drags them kicking and screaming into Heaven against their will because they signed a contract they can’t get out of.
What a perversion of the Gospel message.
You also believe Him to be a Cosmic Rapist who forces His love on those “Elect” and drags them kicking and screaming into Heaven against their will because they signed a contract they can’t get out of.
What a perversion of the Gospel message.
It’s no more heretical or perverse than your man-made fallacy of OSAS, which holds that we have entered into a contract that we can’t get out of.The cult of mary and the "pre-destined" elect, are the most harmful.
THe cult of mary, at least, does not accuse God of choosing some to burn in the Lake of Fire.
The pre-destined elect, heresy, defines God as the originator of evil.
This CULT teaches that all the evil in the world is ordained of God...."caused by".
So, this cult accuses God of doing the Devil's work.
Who teaches you these bizarre things?The cult of mary and the "pre-destined" elect, are the most harmful.
THe cult of mary, at least, does not accuse God of choosing some to burn in the Lake of Fire.
The pre-destined elect, heresy, defines God as the originator of evil.
This CULT teaches that all the evil in the world is ordained of God...."caused by".
So, this cult accuses God of doing the Devil's work.
It’s no more heretical or perverse than your man-made fallacy of OSAS,
Who teaches you these bizarre things?
Actually - you didn't have to explain that. That is the general understanding of the Calvinist heresy of OSAS.Ive talked to a lot of heretics over the years who have been taught by other heretics the wrong definition and understanding of the term OSAS.
So, let me teach you what this means, so that you can at least have the right understanding.
Here you go..
God, Is Christ on the Cross.
The Blood of Jesus being shed, is God's Holy Blood.
The reason that John 3:16 is in effect, is because it's God blood that is the eternal sacrifice for all sin.
This blood is also a one time sacrifice, that restores a believer into the family of God, and removes all sin.
God's blood accomplishes both.
When a person is born again, they have received 3 Gifts from God, based on the Blood Atonement.
1. Eternal Life
2. The Gift of Righteousness
3. The Gift of Salvation.
All of this, is God given, because its God Gained and God created.
Philippians 1:6
So, when a person is born again, their salvation, which is eternal, is all of God, and is a Gift.
Philippians 1:6
So, when they are saved, (born again) and this happens ONLY ONCE...= they are kept saved by what SAVED them..
This means that the blood of Jesus which saves a person, keeps them saved.
Philippians 1:6
= Once the BLood of Jesus saves you, you are always saved by the blood of Jesus.
OSAS
Lol....Paul didn’t teach you that. What you are spouting is your interpretation of Paul. Sooooooo Seriously....from whom did you learn what you are teaching? Or are you self taught?Paul.
Paul teaches that all heretical cults teach a gospel that denies the Grace of God.
The Catholic Cult does this..
The CC the Cult of Mary teaches that "water" is the means of salvation. ( Baptismal Regeneration).
So, that denies that the Blood of Jesus is the redemption, and it denies that the Holy Spirit causes the new birth.
So, your cult has replaced the Holy Spirit regeneration with Water regeneration.
See, you were taught that being baptized in water is how you are saved.
Dont deny it, as you know its true. You were baptized into water, being told you are being baptized into the "one true church"., or perhaps you were "sprinkled and confirmed".
Its all the same lie.
So, all of that is a lie., and you believed it, and you still do.
So, you have the "bizarre" anit-Christ idea about salvation and water.
Next, Your Catholic Church Doctrine disputes Paul's Gospel.
Paul teaches that salvation is God's Gift, that He gives as "the gift of righteousness", BECAUSE a person hears the Gospel, repents, believes on Christ, and is born again.
Paul teaches that this is ALL that God accepts to save a person. = FAITH.
Your cult teaches that works are a part of the process of salvation, and that "faith alone" is not true, regarding all that God requires to save a person and give them the new birth.
So, even if we just overlook the mary worship and the statues and the cookie obsession and the magic power of your priests, and penance, and all this STUFF, at the bottom of the rot is that the Catholic Cult has denied Paul's Gospel of "justification by faith", without works.
Actually - you didn't have to explain that. That is the general understanding of the Calvinist heresy of OSAS.
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The fact that you despise Calvin yet cling so desperately to his OSAS invention only shows your hypocrisy.Calvin is not worth discussing.
similar to the "holy father".
Both are heretics, needing public attention.
Ignore them both, is the remedy.
So, lets continue with trying to get you something Theologically correct, as you do seem to want to learn, and its so very unfortunate that you were grabbed by a cult before you were lead by the Spirit.
However, as long as you are still breathing, there is still hope.
Here we go..
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Matthew 7:13,14
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in therein"
Lets look at it :
First....
Narrow is the way....... narrow is .....the way.............>Narrow......is................>THE< WAY.
So, who is THE WAY, Saint? John 14:6 "I am THE WAY, The Truth, and The Life".. and here is why this Truth is NARROW......."no man (NO ONE) comes to the Father unless they come to ME" "but BY ME"...THROUGH ME... = one Way.
The idea here is Grace Thru Faith. God saves you thru your faith. You become One with God THRU The Blood of Jesus.. You take Jesus, and God takes You. Full Stop.!
And why is this "NARROW"? Its because the world, the devil, and his people, worldwide and universe deep... teach that there ARE MANY WAYS TO GOD... Many Paths to God... All religion leads to the same place in the end.... and all THAT.....is how the verse is describing "BROAD is the way to destruction"..
See that?
So, the way to DESTRUCTION, is saying: > the way to HELL<...the way to miss HEAVEN...is all the other ways that are out there taught as Religion, that tell you that they offer many ways or paths to GOD., Or even to teach that there is NO God.
Jesus totally contradicts all that, and says plainly and truthfully, = I'm THE ONLY WAY TO GOD....= I'm the NARROW Gate. ONE WAY ONLY. "BUT BY ME" "Through Me", "One MEDIATOR between God and Man". Thats "narrow".
Now lets look at more of the verse....."which leadeth unto LIFE".......So the narrow WAY, who is JESUS, is the ONLY WAY TO ETERNAL LIFE. = "which leadeth to LIFE".... Jesus is LIFE....so, its only thru JESUS that you are led to possess Eternal life, or "life more abundant". Jesus said "I am the resurrection and THE LIFE"
Now the rest of the verse.. "few be that find it"..... means, that find the TRUTH, or the Narrow WAY. (Gate).
The "few" is in relation to the rest of the unbelievers in the world at any given time who never put their trust in Christ and died for the last 2000 yrs. So, in contrast to all others who will die and go to hell, you have the born again, as the idea of the "few" who Trust in Christ and are born again.
That verse in Matthew says that few find it...and why is that Saint? What causes them not to find it? Its 2 reasons.. One is because they "love darkness rather then Light".. = They love their SIN. They love their SINNING.... And its also because they are "ever learning and never able to come to the Knowledge of the TRUTH"...... = That is, they are always looking everywhere except in the direction of the ONE who Himself IS The TRUTH. See, unbelievers don't want to face that Cross because that Cross forces you to admit that you are no good, that in GOD's EYES you are a sinful awful thing. And most people will not face this fact about themselves so they shun the Cross and look for that BROAD WAY.. that says...."you're not so bad, you're as good everybody else", and that is True.....But when you compare yourself to JESUS THE CHRIST..>How Good are you? A.) You're no good..... so that is why God had to come down here and die and give you "the righteousness of Christ". "The GIFT of Righteousness"... God had to give us His very righteousness because WE don't have any of our own and that is why we have to be born again as a New Creation.."In Christ" .. which means that the very Righteousness of Christ is given to us as an ETERNAL Gift that God gave us when became Born Again.
See, that Cross makes you admit you are a SINNER, and the self righteousness in people makes them avoid this fact. Those who will come to the Cross and kneel, are the "few", in that verse.
To come to the knowledge of the Truth, is to come to the understanding that Jesus is the Savior and you need one More people do not come to this knowledge, will not. willfully will not then will ever fall on their knees before the Cross and say....."Cleans me O LORD, Forgive me Lord, i am SO LOST". And to do that IS to have come to the knowledge of Jesus as The Truth, that He IS the Messiah, He is the Son of God, and He is the ONLY WAY (Narrow) To Heaven.
Acts 2:38Where is that method outlined in scripture? Just curious. Really. :)
How are 2 separate verses an outline for a method?Acts 2:38
And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Rom. 5:17
For if, because of one man’s (Adam's) trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.