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And the Holy Spirit descended upon Him [Jesus] in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, “You are My [the Father’s] beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased.”

Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He [Jesus] has poured forth this which you both see and hear.”

You know of Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed Him with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.”

The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.
 

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And the Holy Spirit descended upon Him [Jesus] in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, “You are My [the Father’s] beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased.”

Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He [Jesus] has poured forth this which you both see and hear.”

You know of Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed Him with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.”

The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.


In the book of John, after the last supper, Jesus has a private conversation with the apostles...

John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
[8] Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
[9] Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever;
[17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
[18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.


We read that the world cannot see the Holy Spirit, nor does the world know him. Jesus then said "But ye know him". How do the apostles know him? he was not yet sent! Jesus is saying that the one standing here talking to you is the one that will be in you. The one standing here talking to you is the Holy Ghost that will be in you.

Jesus was on earth, under the ministry of redemption. It was expedient that he must first leave so that the Comforter (Holy Spirit) may come. Jesus had to finish the ministry of Redemption, so that he comes back under a new ministry, that of Regeneration (Jesus in us). And which began on the day of Pentecost and continues to this very day.


The following are three different accounts of the very same subject matter, which further shows us that the ONE ETERNAL Spirit functions as Father, Son AND Holy Ghost...

Matthew 10:17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
[18] And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
[19] But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
[20] For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

Mark 13:9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
[10] And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
[11] But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

Luke 21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
[13] And it shall turn to you for a testimony.
[14] Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
[15] For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.


How can God do this?

Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.


Jesus is the First AND the Last.
He is the Alpha AND the Omega.

God Bless!
 

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Yes Jesus is God. But he didn't come to seek worship and praises...He came for the purpose of redemption, that's why he didn't express himself as God, but as a redeemer. Consider if you are a teacher, at school you wouldn't express yourself as a mother/father..but as a teacher although you might be a spouse to somebody at home, or a parent to your childred.

So do Jesus, he was God playing different scene, If he demanded worship from us, there would be no need for him to come, he would remain in Heaven where he receive many praises from angels and humans down here. therefore don't miss that point bro.Truther!, I know you are a good researcher, but never miss that point.

I suggest you to read careful the following verse and you will understand better. (1Timothy 3:16)., and lastly if you are not saved by the Saviour Jesus please consider this >> Are you saved?
 

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Yes Jesus is God. But he didn't come to seek worship and praises...He came for the purpose of redemption, that's why he didn't express himself as God, but as a redeemer. Consider if you are a teacher, at school you wouldn't express yourself as a mother/father..but as a teacher although you might be a spouse to somebody at home, or a parent to your childred.

So do Jesus, he was God playing different scene, If he demanded worship from us, there would be no need for him to come, he would remain in Heaven where he receive many praises from angels and humans down here. therefore don't miss that point bro.Truther!, I know you are a good researcher, but never miss that point.

I suggest you to read careful the following verse and you will understand better. (1Timothy 3:16)., and lastly if you are not saved by the Saviour Jesus please consider this >> Are you saved?
 
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KJV John 1 The Word was God.
I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

Fix it.
 

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Yes I agree. All those later versions have omitted entire passages. When creating a new version, one must make enough text change to avoid copyright laws, thus those later versions have CHANGED God's Word and/or taken from God's Word.

For example take the NIV and turn to Matthew 17:21 ... not there? That's Ok, we can read it in the KJV.

God Bless!
Praise God.

You are right on track!
 
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Only God has those answers. But what He has revealed to us is that Jesus was conceived SUPERNATURALLY in Mary's womb, by the power of the Holy Spirit. And that is all you need to know.

And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS...And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. (Luke 1:31,35)

If Christians are not prepared to be satisfied with this, then it is clear that Satan is egging them on to go beyond Scripture.
Well, who was the seed of Abraham Paul spoke of?

How was Jesus the seed of Abraham?

If you can't figure that out, your presuppositionist belief system will not let you see it.
 

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In the book of John, after the last supper, Jesus has a private conversation with the apostles...

John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
[8] Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
[9] Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever;
[17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
[18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.


We read that the world cannot see the Holy Spirit, nor does the world know him. Jesus then said "But ye know him". How do the apostles know him? he was not yet sent! Jesus is saying that the one standing here talking to you is the one that will be in you. The one standing here talking to you is the Holy Ghost that will be in you.

Jesus was on earth, under the ministry of redemption. It was expedient that he must first leave so that the Comforter (Holy Spirit) may come. Jesus had to finish the ministry of Redemption, so that he comes back under a new ministry, that of Regeneration (Jesus in us). And which began on the day of Pentecost and continues to this very day.


The following are three different accounts of the very same subject matter, which further shows us that the ONE ETERNAL Spirit functions as Father, Son AND Holy Ghost...

Matthew 10:17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
[18] And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
[19] But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
[20] For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

Mark 13:9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
[10] And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
[11] But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

Luke 21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
[13] And it shall turn to you for a testimony.
[14] Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
[15] For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.


How can God do this?

Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.


Jesus is the First AND the Last.
He is the Alpha AND the Omega.

God Bless!
None of this does anything but confirm the Trinity. The three are one. They are all spoken of in these verses you quoted. Yes, Jesus is the first and the last, amen! He's not a creature created when he was contained in a human form, he always has existed in eternal union with the Father and the Spirit.
 

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Saying you worship Jesus through his body sounds very Catholic actually, very much like they claim Eucharist works.
We worship every member of the Trinity IMO.

The three persons of God do not divide the substance of God into three, with each getting a third. Rather, each of the three persons "is God whole and entire."

I think you are confused about this.
No, I worship Jesus' God through Jesus' body.

This makes Jesus God by default.

I pray every prayer to Jesus only, and God honors them.

This is the post resurrection process required to pray to God.

There is a full time mediator between us and God.

Never skip the mediator.
 

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Ya well it also Teaches the Word is Jesus, and uh...Jesus came forth out from God...

Not rocket science...for the Word Jesus to come out from God...He was IN God!



No.



Well, Christ is the Name of:
Gods Power
Gods Wisdom
Gods Seed



Good grief man, get a grip.

The Lord God Almighty IS One God.
Every part of God is God...
His Thoughts, His Word, His Spirit, His Power, His Seed, His Soul, His Authority, His Righteousness, His Goodness....

God has Multiple Names and Titles...still One God.

Why is that so confusing to you?

Are You multiple persons because you have your own thoughts, words, spirit, power, seed, soul, authority, multiple names, multiple titles???

When your word comes forth out of your mouth...
Did you not think it? Did you not use your Power to make your word come forth out from you? And what? did your own word not also remain in you?

When you use your power to get out of bed...
Are you now in a predicament...and used up all your power? Have no power left in you to take a step?

Gods Word / Gods Power comes forth out from Him and His Word / His Power Remains IN Him.

You come to this forum with a Name you Picked...to reveal your words...

But I bet you have other Names and Titles...
So What...Can God NOT DO the very same things? Choose His Own Names, Choose His Own Titles?

Of course He Can...and has shown us He Has Numerous Times...why is that seemingly a phenomenon to you...when you do the same thing?

Glory to God,
Taken
Question: do you believe that all of God is not inside Christ, bodily?
 

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None of this does anything but confirm the Trinity. The three are one. They are all spoken of in these verses you quoted. Yes, Jesus is the first and the last, amen! He's not a creature created when he was contained in a human form, he always has existed in eternal union with the Father and the Spirit.

Deuteronomy 6:4 clearly tells us... "Hear, O Israel: the LORD our God is one LORD:" Therefore, compare the following references:

The Lord God is the Creator. Isaiah 42:5.
The Lord Jesus is the Creator. John 1:3-10.

The Lord God said, "I am He." Isaiah 43:10.
The Lord Jesus said, "I am He." John 8:24.

The Lord God is the only Saviour.Isaiah 43:10-11.
The Lord Jesus is the Saviour. Titus 1:4.

The Lord God shall reign forever. Psalms. 146:10.
The Lord Jesus reign forever.Luke ‪1:33‬.

The Lord God is the King of Israel. Isaiah 43:15.
The Lord Jesus is the King of Israel. Matt. 27:37.

The Lord God is the First and the Last. Isaiah 44:6.
The Lord Jesus is the First and the Last. Revelation 1:8.
 
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None of this does anything but confirm the Trinity. The three are one.

The man-made Trinity theory holds that God is three co-eternal persons ... that the Father is not the Son. The Son is not the Father.

Therefore explain the following...

The Lord God is the Creator. Isaiah 42:5.
The Lord Jesus is the Creator. John 1:3-10.

The Lord God said, "I am He." Isaiah 43:10.
The Lord Jesus said, "I am He." John 8:24.

The Lord God is the only Saviour.Isaiah 43:10-11.
The Lord Jesus is the Saviour. Titus 1:4.

The Lord God shall reign forever. Psalms. 146:10.
The Lord Jesus reign forever.Luke ‪1:33‬.

The Lord God is the King of Israel. Isaiah 43:15.
The Lord Jesus is the King of Israel. Matt. 27:37.

The Lord God is the First and the Last. Isaiah 44:6.
The Lord Jesus is the First and the Last. Revelation 1:8.
 

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Isaiah 48
12 "Listen to Me, O Jacob, And Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last. 13 Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, And My right hand has stretched out the heavens; When I call to them, They stand up together. 14 "All of you, assemble yourselves, and hear! Who among them has declared these things? The LORD loves him; He shall do His pleasure on Babylon, And His arm shall be against the Chaldeans. 15 I, even I, have spoken; Yes, I have called him, I have brought him, and his way will prosper. 16 "Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord GOD and His Spirit Have sent Me."

Jesus is God of the Bible!
 

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What?

You just admitted that Jesus is God.
What than get Jesus to deny Himself and who He is.??

Mat 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Jesus knows who he is so why dont men