Shroud of Turin: Absolute proof the man seen in it is Jesus Christ

[farouk]

Amen Pat...it's an idol.

@Nancy We indeed need to keep 'looking unto Jesus' (Hebrews 12.2).

 

[brian100]

No the Shroud is scientific proof of Jesus.

 

[Bobby Jo]

It isn't my proof ...

You cite it as "PROOF" for you. So now explain how you can "converse" with someone simply by thinking about them. Impossible? -- We so too a "negative" image a THOUSAND YEARS before photography was invented. So who's going to believe that artist? And how about a laser induced "Hologram" before lasers and 3D Holograms were invented. How did the "artist" know to create an image which could be translated into a 3D hologram?

And I'm not trying to convince you of something you REFUSE TO BELIEVE, -- I'm merely stating FACTS. But if you wish to "believe" man will never FLY; or man will never WALK ON THE MOON; or that man will never travel faster than A HORSE CAN RUN; or the CHEESE can come out of a can; then you might consider joining the Mennonites. They live in a world which doesn't accept these technologies.

Bobby Jo

 

[Nancy]

@Nancy We indeed need to keep 'looking unto Jesus' (Hebrews 12.2).

Yep!

 

[Pearl]

Amen Pat...it's an idol.

Yes Nancy, just like other things the Catholic church holds dear. Like statues of Mary and saints and so called apparitions and pieces of wood said to come from the cross of Jesus - That cross would have been used many times before and after it was used to execute Jesus. And who cut the bits off as it says all the disciples dispersed, and also how did they find the real cross of Christ with executions happing every day. I wouldn't want to belong to any religion that relied on such things to instil false beliefs into folk. It's all part of a false gospel.

 

[Cristo Rei]

Geez guys is it really worth all this hostility, does it really matter that much...
Some people believe it's real and others don't. So what...So much arguing... Get over it

 

[farouk]

Yep!

@Nancy Indeed, thanks...

 

[Pearl]

You cite it as "PROOF" for you. So now explain how you can "converse" with someone simply by thinking about them. Impossible? -- We so too a "negative" image a THOUSAND YEARS before photography was invented. So who's going to believe that artist? And how about a laser induced "Hologram" before lasers and 3D Holograms were invented. How did the "artist" know to create an image which could be translated into a 3D hologram?

And I'm not trying to convince you of something you REFUSE TO BELIEVE, -- I'm merely stating FACTS. But if you wish to "believe" man will never FLY; or man will never WALK ON THE MOON; or that man will never travel faster than A HORSE CAN RUN; or the CHEESE can come out of a can; then you might consider joining the Mennonites. They live in a world which doesn't accept these technologies.

Bobby Jo

In 1000 AD, Alhazen created the pinhole camera or camera obscura.

 

[Bobby Jo]

@Nancy said:

Amen Pat...it's an idol.
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"Denial"/"scoffing" can also be an IDOL, just as anything out of it's proper role. :)

... and we're warned not to "scoff".
Bobby Jo

 

[Nancy]

Me neither Pat, but I once was a part of the CC. Do you remember some years back, the piece of toast that had "Mary's" image on it? It was ridiculous.
"It is an evil generation that seeks a sign..."

 

[Pearl]

Geez guys is it really worth all this hostility, does it really matter that much...
Some people believe it's real and others don't. So what...So much arguing... Get over it

I don't think it's hostile.

 

[Nancy]

@Nancy said:

Amen Pat...it's an idol.
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"Denial"/"scoffing" can also be an IDOL, just as anything out of it's proper role. :)

... and we're warned not to "scoff".
Bobby Jo

No scoffing here, just stating my opinion from what I have seen and read. I don't need a shroud or a piece of wood or anything that "might or might not" be the real thing. These "things" are not where I put my faith and He is invisible... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Pearl]

Me neither Pat, but I once was a part of the CC. Do you remember some years back, the piece of toast that had "Mary's" image on it? It was ridiculous.
"It is an evil generation that seeks a sign..."

I do Nancy. In some religions people are brainwashed and see sightings etc which other gullible people then hold dear. So sad. I think it must grieve the Holy Spirit.

 

[Bobby Jo]

In 1000 AD, Alhazen created the pinhole camera or camera obscura.

You got me! -- EVERYONE was using the pin-hole camera, WITHOUT SILVER NITRATE FILM (developed in 1839) that creates the "NEGATIVE". Yep, it was so popular, film was created some 800 YEARS LATER for all the pin-hole "cameras".

Some people should stick to "cooking".
Bobby Jo

 

[brian100]

Did the pinhole put the sacred heart of Jesus and Mary on it too? You guys are too much.

Nuns threw water on it.

 

[Bobby Jo]

No scoffing here, just stating my opinion from what I have seen and read. ...

I know second hand from one of the STURP investigators, -- in addition to my own research. Thus my posts.

Bobby Jo

 

[Pearl]

You got me! -- EVERYONE was using the pin-hole camera, WITHOUT SILVER NITRATE FILM (developed in 1839) that creates the "NEGATIVE". Yep, it was so popular, film was created some 800 YEARS LATER for all the pin-hole "cameras".

Some people should stick to "cooking".
Bobby Jo

Yeh Bobby, do you wear an apron when you cook?

 

[Pearl]

Did the pinhole put the sacred heart of Jesus and Mary on it too? You guys are too much.

Those are scorch marks from a fire.

 

[Bobby Jo]

Yeh Bobby, do you wear an apron when you cook?

I'm technical. But I do cook a MEAN STEAK at Outback; a tantalizing pizza at Domino's; and a decent hamburger at McDonalds. -- I cook at all the FINEST restaurants. :)

Bobby Jo

 

[Bobby Jo]

Those are scorch marks from a fire.

EXACTLY CORRECT. -- And you're CERTAINLY smart enough to disbelieve a liar!

With Best Regards,
Bobby Jo