WOULD YOU LIKE TO JOIN A NEW TESTAMENT CHURCH?
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Anthony D'Arienzo
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Stan B
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Your denial of God's promise in His message to me via Scripture.
"But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come."
That is God's message to me!!
Anthony D'Arienzo
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No.
That was God's promise to the Apostles. You did not read my response.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
Hey Stan....you were not there when Jesus spoke to THEM.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
That is spoken to the Apostles.
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Stan B
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Yes, I read your response, and I totally disagree with your take from that passage.
The Holy Spirit will lead all of us who are born from above and thus filled with His Spirit.
Anthony D'Arienzo
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12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
Hey Stan....you were not there when Jesus spoke to THEM.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Illuminator
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Yea, right. Like the spirit of truth tells you its ok to kill unborn babies.
PAGAN SACRIFICES ON THE MODERN DAY ALTAR OF MOLLOCK
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Is anyone alive on earth TODAY, as written: TODAY, IF you hear HIS VOICE<. do not rebel like they did in the wilderness....
Choose TODAY who you will serve... as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord Jesus Forever !
All of Jesus' sheep HEAR HIS VOICE. He Says So Today. Listen to Him. (Or seek Him)
Choose TODAY who you will serve... as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord Jesus Forever !
All of Jesus' sheep HEAR HIS VOICE. He Says So Today. Listen to Him. (Or seek Him)
Noted in the thread on abortion - having a wrong Bible and a wrong spirit ... (i.e. not the spirit of truth)
More prayer needed, as he just posted that he thinks God the Creator thinks that he is just a lump of <worthless> clay.
Being taught that when young, or old, and believing that continually, must be devastating and demoralizing ! ?
Pray for the truth to get through, somehow, as God Permits, by God's Grace !
Stan B
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By your own words, they are unborn! How can you kill something that has never been born!! :-) That's sort of a no-brainer.
Stan B
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I never said clay was worthless, in fact the opposite!! God created the entire world from clay, including all living beings.
When Christ gave up His Godhood to become one of us, He consented to become God in the Flesh, a lump of clay.
Everything we are, is clay. and everything we eat is clay. As scientists have discovered, a human being consists of 63 elements, every one of them found in the ground.
Illuminator
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Matt. 10:20; Luke 12:12 – Jesus tells His apostles (not any individual bible reader) it is not they who speak, but the Spirit of their Father speaking through them. If the Spirit is the one speaking and leading the Church, the Church cannot err on matters of faith and morals.
John 14:26 – Jesus promises that the Holy Spirit would teach the Church (the apostles and successors) all things regarding the faith. This means that the Church can teach us the right moral positions on such things as in vitro fertilization (test tube babies), cloning and other issues that are not addressed in the Bible. After all, these issues of morality are necessary for our salvation, and God would not leave such important issues to be decided by us sinners without His divine assistance.
John 16:12 – Jesus had many things to say but the apostles couldn’t bear them at that point. This demonstrates that the Church’s infallible doctrine develops over time. All public Revelation was completed with the death of the last apostle, but the doctrine of God’s Revelation develops as our minds and hearts are able to welcome and understand it. God teaches His children only as much as they can bear, for their own good.
John 16:13 – Jesus promises that the Spirit will “guide” the Church into all truth. Our knowledge of the truth develops as the Spirit guides the Church, and this happens over time.
1 Cor. 2:13 – Paul explains that what the ministers teach is taught, not by human wisdom, but by the Spirit. The ministers are led to interpret and understand the spiritual truths God gives them over time. The canon of Scripture is an example of development over time.
John 14:26 – Jesus promises that the Holy Spirit would teach the Church (the apostles and successors) all things regarding the faith. This means that the Church can teach us the right moral positions on such things as in vitro fertilization (test tube babies), cloning and other issues that are not addressed in the Bible. After all, these issues of morality are necessary for our salvation, and God would not leave such important issues to be decided by us sinners without His divine assistance.
John 16:12 – Jesus had many things to say but the apostles couldn’t bear them at that point. This demonstrates that the Church’s infallible doctrine develops over time. All public Revelation was completed with the death of the last apostle, but the doctrine of God’s Revelation develops as our minds and hearts are able to welcome and understand it. God teaches His children only as much as they can bear, for their own good.
John 16:13 – Jesus promises that the Spirit will “guide” the Church into all truth. Our knowledge of the truth develops as the Spirit guides the Church, and this happens over time.
1 Cor. 2:13 – Paul explains that what the ministers teach is taught, not by human wisdom, but by the Spirit. The ministers are led to interpret and understand the spiritual truths God gives them over time. The canon of Scripture is an example of development over time.
Illuminator
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They are human beings from the moment of conception, which proves you have no brain.
Psalm 139:13 For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb.
what? what???
And whoever destroys or pollutes (with death , perversion, lies, falsehoods, idolatry) the 'clay' that is a living human/ temple of God's Spirit as God Says,
is very much in very real danger of His Righteous Judgment.
Out of the heart come perverse sins/ thoughts/ deceptions/ that defile a man..... leading to death or causing death of babies in the womb, and other living lumps of clay !
Jesus says some pretty harsh / judgments/ against mankind that loves killing, stealing, destroying ..... serving other gods/ demons/ the flesh/ greed....
Far worse than just being with no brain I think. (those who are blind, and admit it, there's a chance for them - those who say/claim they are not blind, Jesus says their (obvious, blatant) sin (including murdering babies) IS HELD AGAINST THEM)
Stan B
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Nope!! He never said He would teach the church things of the faith!! Scripture reference for that conspicuously missing. He said He would teach us all things! Those of us who had the indwelling Spirit.
Obviously, the church was besought with heresy even during the times of the Apostles.
Stan B
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Yeah, He was talking to David!! It never says that everything that starts out in a womb will even be born. He knew who they would be from the foundation of the world, as well as those who would not be born at a specific time, but their spirit is still with God awaiting the appointed time.
Illuminator
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SBV (Stan B Version)
Luke 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favor with God.
31 And behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb a lump of clay...
