Who do you think will win Trump or Biden or Kanye?

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Who will win Trump or Biden or Kanye?

  • Donald Trump

    Votes: 35 85.4%
  • Joe Biden

    Votes: 4 9.8%
  • Not sure

    Votes: 2 4.9%
  • Kanye West

    Votes: 0 0.0%

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PRESIDENT Donald Trump told reporters on Monday that John Bolton, his former national security adviser, will have a "very strong criminal problem" if he proceeds in publishing a tell-all book.

Bolton's memoir is set to be released on June 23, but Trump called it "highly inappropriate" and said that he would consider every conversation he has had with Bolton "to be highly classified."

As usual, Trump assumes he is capable of making new law to suit himself. Bolton is not someone with whom you should pick a fight; he's just as mean as Trump, and a lot more capable.
 

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Has anyone considered that the next president for the next four years will be whoever God wants in the office.

Asking for my opinion will not change that nor is my opinion really relevant as I do not live in the USA.
 

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Has anyone considered that the next president for the next four years will be whoever God wants in the office.

Do you think God wanted Herod to be King of Judea and Samaria?
 

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Do you think God wanted Herod to be King of Judea and Samaria?

Herod only acted under the influence of a wicked fallen angel, referred to as the Little Horn in Daniel 8. Around the time of Christ the Little Horn was influencing the third beast and the four people groups that were manifesting the third beast's characteristic of dominion and power. As one member insists, this is confirmed in scripture and in our Ancient History.

But you are right also. God wanted a very different outcome, but because of the fall of man, men tended to respond to the demonic instead of God, and God allowed it to happen.

But this is getting off topic for this thread which is asking for our opinion on who will win in a two horse race. If you are a betting person and the odds are better that 2 to 1 for either candidate, then if you placed a bet on both, at least you would get your money back, based on that opinion. That would indicate that you do not care who wins but that you only care that you do not lose the money placed on either candidate winning.
 

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Do you think God wanted Herod to be King of Judea and Samaria?

Herod only acted under the influence of a wicked fallen angel, referred to as the Little Horn in Daniel 8.

What's Trump's excuse? And how do you think that "Little Horn" gets to overrule God? How does that work?
 

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Do you think God wanted Herod to be King of Judea and Samaria?



What's Trump's excuse? And how do you think that "Little Horn" gets to overrule God? How does that work?

You sound like you have a bee under your bonnet, and that is on your head, not on your car. :rolleyes:
 

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Has anyone considered that the next president for the next four years will be whoever God wants in the office.

Asking for my opinion will not change that nor is my opinion really relevant as I do not live in the USA.
When God gave man dominion over the earth, He risked us wanting and doing things which aren't good for us. Still His Will is wise since we can learn from our mistakes. Then we can choose good voluntarily and reject evil.

Remember when Israel wanted a king? God said okay.

Hosea 8:4 They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew it not: of their silver and their gold have they made them idols, that they may be cut off.
 

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As usual, Trump assumes he is capable of making new law to suit himself. Bolton is not someone with whom you should pick a fight; he's just as mean as Trump, and a lot more capable.
I think Bolton may be meaner than Trump. He is surely more cunning. Look at how he evaded testifying in Congress when he had testimony (allegedly) that would have been relevant in the impeachment trial. He waited to be subpoenaed and taken to court. I thought at the time his motive was to write a book. If he blabbed all he knew (or invented) in the hearing, no one would be interested in his book.

I don't know if Trump really asked if Great Britain was a nuclear power or if Finland was part of Russia. It sounds like something Trump would say, so if Bolton invented it, it shows how clever he is at lying. If you're goimg to lie, make it sound plausible. The Trump administration suing to stop it pleading Bolton is revealing national security secrets sounds pretty lame from what I have learned so far about the contents of the book. Is it a matter of national security if Trump doesn't know if the UK has nuclear weapons? If Trump was begging Xi to interfere in the election, would that be revealing a national security secret? I think a judge would laugh at the idea; but Bolton might not make a dime out of the book since he did sign a non-disclosure agreement.

These books may not influence polls now that much; but when the campaigns reach the debate stage where Trump and Biden face each other, I expect to see Biden raising some of these things. It could be interesting to see how Trump handles himself.
 

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I think Bolton may be meaner than Trump. He is surely more cunning. Look at how he evaded testifying in Congress when he had testimony (allegedly) that would have been relevant in the impeachment trial. He waited to be subpoenaed and taken to court. I thought at the time his motive was to write a book. If he blabbed all he knew (or invented) in the hearing, no one would be interested in his book.

I don't know if Trump really asked if Great Britain was a nuclear power or if Finland was part of Russia. It sounds like something Trump would say, so if Bolton invented it, it shows how clever he is at lying. If you're goimg to lie, make it sound plausible. The Trump administration suing to stop it pleading Bolton is revealing national security secrets sounds pretty lame from what I have learned so far about the contents of the book. Is it a matter of national security if Trump doesn't know if the UK has nuclear weapons? If Trump was begging Xi to interfere in the election, would that be revealing a national security secret? I think a judge would laugh at the idea; but Bolton might not make a dime out of the book since he did sign a non-disclosure agreement.

These books may not influence polls now that much; but when the campaigns reach the debate stage where Trump and Biden face each other, I expect to see Biden raising some of these things. It could be interesting to see how Trump handles himself.

I've never trusted Bolton. There was an article by The Guardian a while back titled "Is John Bolton The Most Dangerous Man In The World?" Is John Bolton the most dangerous man in the world? | Ben Armbruster. And Donald Trump himself said one time that he wanted to nuke everything. His book will probably be in the fiction section. I don't usually go to these leftest news sites but these links are just for reference.

Independent July 22, 2019

Trump baits John Bolton in front of officials by saying 'you want to nuke them all', report says

Donald Trump likes to goad his national security adviser John Bolton about his lust for military action, according to officials who have spoken out on their relationship.

As Iran claims to have captured spies working for the US and accuses Mr Bolton of trying to start “war of the century”, new details have emerged of the president’s fondness for baiting his adviser in the company of top officials – including foreign dignitaries.

During a White House Situation Room meeting last year, Mr Trump reportedly said to his hawkish national security chief: “Ok, John, let me guess, you want to nuke them all?”

According to the report by the Axios website, Mr Trump turned to Mr Bolton in an Oval Office meeting with Irish prime minister Leo Varadkar and said: “John, is Ireland one of those countries you want to invade?”

Quoting unnamed senior administration officials, the account claimed the president recently joked that “John has never seen a war he doesn’t like”, repeating sentiments made in public. “If it was up to him he’d take on the whole world at one time, okay?” Mr Trump recently told NBC’s Meet the Press.
 

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I am seriously beginning to think there are people in Trump's inner circle doing their best to make him look bad. My guess is it's someone in his campaign. First we saw a rally scheduled for June 19th in Tulsa a few blocks away from where there was a massacre of black people 99 years ago. Now someone put a symbol used by Nazis into some of his campaign ads. If it had been only a red triangle, perhaps we could dismiss that as mere coincidence; but when it's upside down with a black border, it looks very deliberate.

Then the excuse was they were discussing Antifa. If you remember that Antifa means anti-fascists, what was the Trump campaign trying to say?

"Yes, Antifa is anti-fascists, and we're the fascists."

So whose idea was it to use that triangle? If Trump wants to win, he'd better find out fast and fire him or her. My guess is someone in his campaign is trying to make Trump look like a fascist. He may need to clean up his own swamp.

In other news, I see the Republican Mayor of Tulsa has declared a "civil emergency" ahead of the rally.

Tulsa mayor declares civil emergency ahead of Trump rally, stragglers face arrest

Supporters can cheer on President Trump, but then they better get home.

Tulsa Mayor G.T. Bynum, a Republican, declared a civil emergency Thursday and announced a curfew near the arena where Trump plans to hold a campaign rally on Saturday.

Bynum cited recent “civil unrest,” expected “crowds in excess of 100,000” in the vicinity of the rally and opposition protests in his decision to place a federal exclusion zone for a six-block radius near the arena.

“I have received information from the Tulsa Police Department and other law enforcement agencies that shows that individuals from organized groups who have been involved in destructive and violent behavior in other States are planning to travel to the city of Tulsa for purposes of causing unrest in and around the rally,” Bynum wrote in the executive order.


I guess it could be worse. Mayor Bynum could have declared it a disaster.
 

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That's always the gamble when any boss hires an employee.
 

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That's always the gamble when any boss hires an employee.
Really? What Bolton was like was well known when Trump hired him. I knew about it -- why didn't Trump? I'd say smart people know how to judge people's character; and if a boss hires someone who isn't good, the boss doesn't blame the employee. He blames himself. I used to hire people, and I never blamed someone I hired if they were bad employees. I told myself I needed to be smarter about who I hired. I took responsiblity for my mistakes --- something Trump never seems to do. Bolton was a snake in the grass when Trump hired him.

Just look at the latest Press Secretary. She said some really bad things about Trump in 2015. After he won the nomination, she changed her tune. Why would Trump hire her? She has no principles. She would flatter anyone who she thought could win if she thought she could get a job out of it.

 

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"I only hire the best people." - Donald Trump.

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He's not god he can't predict the future. And the Deep State is hard at work trying to destroy him because he's not part of the establishment. Their trying to get them with perjury traps. Michael Flynn sentence is being thrown out as we speak.

FBI discussed interviewing Michael flynn 'to get him to lie' and 'get him fired', handwritten notes show

FBI discussed interviewing Michael Flynn 'to get him to lie' and 'get him fired,' handwritten notes show

Unsealed Notes Reveal FBI Planned Perjury Trap For Flynn

Explosive new internal FBI documents unsealed Wednesday show that top bureau officials discussed their motivations for interviewing then-national security adviser Michael Flynn in the White House in January 2017 -- and openly questioned if their "goal" was "to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired."

The handwritten notes -- written by the FBI's former head of counterintelligence Bill Priestap after a meeting with then-FBI Director James Comey and then-FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, Fox News is told -- further suggested that agents planned in the alternative to get Flynn "to admit to breaking the Logan Act" when he spoke to then-Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak during the presidential transition period.

The Logan Act is an obscure statute that has never been used in a criminal prosecution; enacted in 1799 in an era before telephones, it was intended to prevent individuals from falsely claiming to represent the United States government abroad.

"What is our goal?" one of the notes read. "Truth/Admission or to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired?"

"If we get him to admit to breaking the Logan Act, give facts to DOJ + have them decide," another note read. Constitutional law professor Jonathan Turley called the document's implications "chilling."

The memo appears to weigh the pros and cons of pursuing those different paths. "I don't see how getting someone to admit their wrongdoing is going easy on him," one note reads. Flynn did not ultimately admit to wrongdoing in the interview.

The document indicates that the agents at least discussed the merits of a by-the-book approach: "If we’re seen as playing games, WH [White House] will be furious."

The bombshell materials strongly suggested the agents weren't truly concerned about Flynn's intercepted contacts with Kislyak during the presidential transition period, except as a pretext.
 

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He's not god he can't predict the future. And the Deep State is hard at work trying to destroy him because he's not part of the establishment.
Oh yes, the deep state excuse again. Who are these people? Why can't he find them and fire them? How many terms would he need? I think one has been quite enough to show us he has no clue about people's characters. He seems to like backstabbers though, since we see his ex-employees often eager to cut him down. Do you know why he winds up hiring back-stabbers? I know. He likes to hire people who flatter him, who never disagree with him to his face. He likes yes-men. He doesn't value honesty in other people, so he's easily deceived by flattery.

Most of the people who get fired seem to be his own appointees. Why keep trying to make excuses for him? He's a bad judge of character, doesn't understand people or know how to get along with them. The three marriages should tell you that.

You say he's not god. Well then why does he act as if he never makes a mistake? It's always somebody else's fault. If he doesn't know how to pick his people, why elect him to another term? If he doesn't know who he's hiring, why brag about them being the best people? None of this makes sense. He's fired more of his own appointees than any prior President -- and still can't seem to get things right. How's he going to tackle the "deep state" if he can't understand the people he appoints himself? Trump's biggest weakness is his pride. That's why he likes flatterers.

As for Flynn, why did plead guilty in court then? Why did he commit perjury?
 
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Sometimes it seems like a contest of who is going to lose, I think Biden has gone ahead in that contest again, defund the police was a big mistake by the Democrats, and if the election was today and Biden lost, that is what did it, still a few months though, and a lot can happen in American politics within a few months. If I was an American citizen I would probably want to vote for a minor party.

I think most Americans don't want a country with lawlessness.
Biden said he is not in favor of "defunding" the police.

Biden campaign opposes calls to 'defund the police'

Democratic presidential contender Joe Biden's campaign said on Monday that the former vice president does not support calls to defund the police amid growing calls to do so by activists across the country.

“As his criminal justice proposal made clear months ago, Vice President Biden does not believe that police should be defunded," Biden campaign spokesman Andrew Bates told reporters.

"He hears and shares the deep grief and frustration of those calling out for change, and is driven to ensure that justice is done and that we put a stop to this terrible pain," Bates added. "Biden supports the urgent need for reform — including funding for public schools, summer programs, and mental health and substance abuse treatment separate from funding for policing — so that officers can focus on the job of policing."
 
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Ooops, the mayor of Tulsa changed his mind.

Trump threatens 'protesters, anarchists, agitators, looters or lowlifes' the day before his Tulsa rally

The city of Tulsa on Thursday had initially announced a last-minute 10 p.m. curfew that would take effect Friday and Saturday, explaining that local law enforcement informed had warned that people from violence-causing groups were traveling to Tulsa to foment unrest around Trump’s rally, multiple outlets reported.

But in a statement Friday afternoon, Tulsa Mayor G.T. Bynum said the U.S. Secret Service asked him to lift the curfew order, and he complied.

“Last night, I enacted a curfew at the request of Tulsa Police Chief Wendell Franklin, following consultation with the United States Secret Service based on intelligence they had received,” Bynum said in the statement, NBC News reported.

“Today, we were told the curfew is no longer necessary so I am rescinding it,” Bynum said.

Before that statement was released, Trump tweeted that he had just spoken by phone with Bynum, who “informed me there will be no curfew tonight or tomorrow for our many supporters attending the #MAGA Rally.”

Great, maybe Trump supporters can arrive early and spend the night before the rally now. Peacefully of course.

Trump tweeted:

Any protesters, anarchists, agitators, looters or lowlifes who are going to Oklahoma please understand, you will not be treated like you have been in New York, Seattle, or Minneapolis. It will be a much different scene!
Ole Bone Spurs is so brave when he's tweeting.