Trump using the Bible as a prop...

[Giuliano]

I will on all counts

Thank you. You may be surprised how Heaven will reward you later if you pray for the souls of aborted babies.

 

[Taken]

Trump using the Bible AS a PROP
OP ^

A PROP is Support!

Looks as IF the OP is Against "The Bible" being "a Prop".

The "Bible" being "A Support" for A Church!
An Elected Official, in Agreement with the Bible being "a Prop" for a Church.
A Bible being "a PROP" in view of Citizens of America.

Gee, how Devastating...an Elected Official would Reveal "his Standing" with Biblical Principles in Public View of American citizens AND the World!!!

OP writer...thanks for sharing your Standing is Against the Bible, as unfavorable to you for Support.

Jesus Warned of people like you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Giuliano]

Trump using the Bible AS a PROP
OP ^

A PROP is Support!

Looks as IF the OP is Against "The Bible" being "a Prop".

The "Bible" being "A Support" for A Church!
An Elected Official, in Agreement with the Bible being "a Prop" for a Church.
A Bible being "a PROP" in view of Citizens of America.

Gee, how Devastating...an Elected Official would Reveal "his Standing" with Biblical Principles in Public View of American citizens AND the World!!!

OP writer...thanks for sharing your Standing is Against the Bible, as unfavorable to you for Support.

Jesus Warned of people like you.

Glory to God,
Taken

Putin is better at photo ops than Trump.

He's clever at mixing religion and politics too.

https://www.newsweek.com/putin-says-communism-comes-bible-compares-lenin-saint-781328

Russian President Vladimir Putin has compared Vladimir Lenin to a saint and declared that Soviet communist ideas come from the Bible.

Putin was speaking during a documentary about the recently-restored Valaam Monastery on state-funded channel Rossiya 1, which tells the story of the building—located near the border with Finland—over the years.

A major point of discussion is the October Revolution of 1917, which led to the execution of the staunchly Christian royal family, the formation of the Soviet Union and a new chapter of atheistic and anti-religious policies by the Kremlin. . . .

"Maybe I am about to say something that some people will not like, but I will say what I think," he says.

"Firstly, faith has always accompanied us. It strengthened when things were hard for our people's country. There have been harsh, godfighting years when clerics were destroyed and churches were ruined. But at the same time (Soviets) created a new religion. Indeed, communist ideology is very similar to Christianity."

 

[Giuliano]

Now an army general has apologized for being in that picture. I like people who can admit it when they feel they made a mistake. I admire them.

Military chief: Wrong to walk with Trump past park protest

Army Gen. Mark Milley, the nation’s top military officer, added to the already extraordinary tension between the Pentagon and President Donald Trump on Thursday, declaring he’d been wrong to stride in uniform with Trump past protesters who had been cleared from Lafayette Square to a photo op at a church.

Milley said his presence in combat fatigues amid protests over racial injustice “created a perception of the military involved in domestic politics.”

“I should not have been there,” the Joint Chiefs chairman said in remarks to a National Defense University commencement ceremony.

Milley’s statement risked the wrath of a president sensitive to anything hinting of criticism of events he has staged. Pentagon leaders’ relations with the White House already were tense after a disagreement last week over Trump’s threat to use federal troops to quell civil unrest triggered by George Floyd’s death in police custody.

After Defense Secretary Mark Esper knocked down that idea of using active-duty troops against American citizens, Trump castigated him in a face-to-face meeting. And the president had blistering criticism for his first defense secretary, Gen. Jim Mattis, after Mattis condemned Trump’s Lafayette Square action.

 

[Giuliano]

Here's a photo many of you may not have seen. It's from his campaing in 2016.

Photo is from a story in December 2019: https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc...s-trump-campaign-s-lgbtq-merchandise-n1097326

President Donald Trump’s campaign has introduced new LGBTQ Pride merchandise through its website, sparking criticism that the offerings appear to be at odds with his administration’s policy track record.

The merchandise, which was first reported by NewNowNext, includes a white T-shirt that reads “Make America Great Again” in rainbow letters. The product description reads, “Show your support for the LGBT community and the 45th President with this exclusive Make America Great Again T-Shirt.” The site is also selling a rainbow "Make America Great Again" hat, which is currently sold out.

 

[Taken]

Why then, do you support a President that callously abandoned Syrian Christians?

Personally I DO NOT favor the US Policing the World of Foreign Nations, and Compulsion of the American Citizen to foot the Cost.

Perhaps you could Solicit your German Government to Police Syria And the German citizens could be Compelled to foot the Cost.
It would likely be more economically less costly for Germany, considering geographical distance, of 7,000 miles for the US and just under 2,000 miles for Germany...costs for transporting People, supplies, and accommodations.

...home-schooling and I feel sorry for their children.

Imho children are not property and have a right to live and learn in Society...

IMO Scripture teaches to teach a Child the Way of The Lord BEFORE they go out into Society. IOW Prepare a child in the way of the Lord, so once in the World's Corrupt Society they Have a set foundation to Not be Influenced BY a corrupt Society.

Proverbs 22:6
Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

.. due to Corona I’ve been forced to home-school my boy since March and now I see that it’s also torturous for parents.

Awe...that's a Shame you have been Forced to Spend Torturous time Teaching your child a man-MADE curriculum...when you could have enjoyed that Time Teaching your child Gods Principled Way for every situation.

I wonder if you know, children are pretty keen on noticing parents thinking it torture to spend time with them.

Pretty sad Testimony you have Revealed, regarding yourself.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[John Caldwell]

There is a “spirit” on this forum that should not be in the lives of Christians. I admit that I support President Trump and his platform. That is just a fact about me.

But I have been attacked as serving another god because I dare to question one thing President Trump has done.

This is idolatry. No man is beyond question. No man is perfect. While I like and support President Trump, the President does not represent our faith. I hope he is Christian (I believe he is). But Christians need to stop worshipping men.

Also, Christians cannot say that God raises governments to power and people to leadership by applying this only to their candidates. If God raised up President Trump (He did) then God raised up President Obama, Vice President Biden, President Bush, President Clinton, and the like for God’s purposes.

Some need to consider this day whom they will follow.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

I am prejudiced against blonds. Too many are vain, and if they are good looking too, they often fail to develop their personalities, depending too much on their good looks. I view them with suspicion. There are exceptions, of course. Two of the sweetest and smartest people I met were very good looking blonds. They were also married and happily so. I was happy for them, happy they had found husbands who knew their real value and hadn't married them solely for their looks.

Hmm, you wouldn't be stereotyping, would you??

 

[Grailhunter]

There is a “spirit” on this forum that should not be in the lives of Christians. I admit that I support President Trump and his platform. That is just a fact about me.

But I have been attacked as serving another god because I dare to question one thing President Trump has done.

This is idolatry. No man is beyond question. No man is perfect. While I like and support President Trump, the President does not represent our faith. I hope he is Christian (I believe he is). But Christians need to stop worshipping men.

Also, Christians cannot say that God raises governments to power and people to leadership by applying this only to their candidates. If God raised up President Trump (He did) then God raised up President Obama, Vice President Biden, President Bush, President Clinton, and the like for God’s purposes.

Some need to consider this day whom they will follow.

Ahhh John! How is the pup?
This statement---> Christians cannot say that God raises governments to power and people to leadership by applying this only to their candidates. If God raised up President Trump (He did) then God raised up President Obama, Vice President Biden, President Bush, President Clinton, and the like for God’s purposes.
You understand that would have to include Adolph Hitler, Stalin, and the Japanese leaders who told people they were gods. And then leaders attack each other from within and without. That in itself is a pretty deep topic. I am not sure if I understand your point. I will take a stab at it and you tell me how far off I am.
The Bible seems to sight that if you respect anyone it is a sin. Several scriptures. I must say I disagree with that interpretation. The Bible does discuss attitudes towards leaders. Self-respect, respect for others and respect for authority is essential in a civilized society...this leads to responsibility and accountability. I do not see this as idolatry in anyway. No one is worshiping politicians, for one none of them have halos.

But there are basic concepts that Christianity and this country were founded on. A respect for life, and that means many things. But specifically i will point out that it includes...do not murder babies....freedom of religion which does not mean removing prayer from school or teaching our children atheism and communism. Civil rights, but not special rights. Then we could get into the party that support pot stores. One of the first things that communists want to do is disarm the public and turn the media into a propaganda machine for communist ideas and ideology....It is not to much to expect that our borders are secure, that our voting system is secure, and cities have police officers to keep the peace.

So you tell me John.

 

[John Caldwell]

Ahhh John! How is the pup?
This statement---> Christians cannot say that God raises governments to power and people to leadership by applying this only to their candidates. If God raised up President Trump (He did) then God raised up President Obama, Vice President Biden, President Bush, President Clinton, and the like for God’s purposes.
You understand that would have to include Adolph Hitler, Stalin, and the Japanese leaders who told people they were gods. And then leaders attack each other from within and without. That in itself is a pretty deep topic. I am not sure if I understand your point. I will take a stab at it and you tell me how far off I am.
The Bible seems to sight that if you respect anyone it is a sin. Several scriptures. I must say I disagree with that interpretation. The Bible does discuss attitudes towards leaders. Self-respect, respect for others and respect for authority is essential in a civilized society...this leads to responsibility and accountability. I do not see this as idolatry in anyway. No one is worshiping politicians, for one none of them have halos.

But there are basic concepts that Christianity and this country were founded on. A respect for life, and that means many things. But specifically i will point out that it includes...do not murder babies....freedom of religion which does not mean removing prayer from school or teaching our children atheism and communism. Civil rights, but not special rights. Then we could get into the party that support pot stores. One of the first things that communists want to do is disarm the public and turn the media into a propaganda machine for communist ideas and ideology....It is not to much to expect that our borders are secure, that our voting system is secure, and cities have police officers to keep the peace.

So you tell me John.

Pup is good.

Yes, I do believe that God raised up people like Adolph Hitler for His purposes. I believe that the evils committed by Hitler were used by God and ultimately within God's plan (personally I believe this can be seen in the establishment of Israel as a nation, but I know Christians disagree on the topic of Israel).

The reason I believe this is because Scripture tells us God raised up evil nations for His purposes with Israel (the Neo-Babylonian Empire, the Neo-Assyrian Empire, the Achaemenid Empire). All of these were pagan empires God raised up for His purposes.

This does not mean we support evil or even our leadership if they are evil. We pray for our leaders and stand for righteousness. We do not know their hearts other than how their actions (their public actions) are interpreted.

 

[CadyandZoe]

I don't have a tv, so I don't watch CNN on cable. But exactly what lies do you mean? Are you telling me you watch CNN a lot -- and you know somehow they're lying? Or are you hearing that CNN is lying from some other channel you listen to?

I don't watch CNN on TV. I watch video clips of CNN on YouTube. I have seen them literally make up news stories.

Were they, or were they spying someone Trump hired to work on his campaign?

Both. Not only was the Obama Administration spying on Trump and his campaign, they were spying on other Americans also, including Ted Cruz and his campaign. (This bit about Ted Cruz is not widely known. I believe the news will break any day now.)

Admiral Rogers, figured out that the Obama Administration was using the NSA to spy on Americans, and when he found that Trump Tower was bugged, he told Donald Trump. Immediately, Trump moved campaign headquarters out of Trump Tower to Mar a Lago.

The FBI's investigation into Paul Manafort began in 2014 long before there was a Trump campaign.

At the time, the DOJ decided not to prosecute. Manafort was targeted for what he knew about Americans who were involved in money laundering in Ukraine.

Why did you mention God then, saying God was in control of that situation?

I thought all Christians believed that God was in control of everything? No?

I found this quote from Ligonier Ministries.

"When pain, suffering, and natural disasters occur, how can we know that God is really in control? Is He really sovereign over all things, including evil?

This a fair question and perhaps we should talk about this further. But I believe that after all is said and done, God's will shall be done on earth as it is in heaven. So then, whatever happens, whatever befalls our nation, God will bring about eternal life and salvation to all those who trust him.

Why would you say Trump was trusting God at the time? How could you know that?

I follow his many Tweets.

You like unnecessary violence? It sounds like it.

If I sound like I like unnecessary violence, then my post was unclear and perhaps inadequate. I apologize.

You also sound fearful.

I wouldn't say that I am fearful. I would say that I fear both man and God. But I fear God more.

I don't live in Seattle, Trump doesn't and you don't. We are not voters there. Trump is not her boss. He should not be wasting time on local affairs over which he has no power. If the people in Seattle don't like it, they can vote her out in the next election. Trump should show respect for democratic rule and stop pretending he has dictatorial powers over everything.

First of all, Trump hasn't done anything about Seattle. I don't know where you are getting the idea that Trump is using dictatorial powers? What is the purpose of Government? What gives someone the right to tell me what to do? Think about it. In the United States, governments do not have rights; they have powers. Only the people have rights. The State governments and the Federal Government were created by the people to serve the people.

Here is what the Declaration of Independence says about why we rebelled against King George.

"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

The Mayor of Seattle has the sworn duty to protect life and property and to defend the constitution from enemies both foreign and domestic. We have given elected leaders powers to secure our welfare. If she is unable or unwilling to do her duty, then she should not wait for the next election. She should step aside and find someone who can and who will.

Bear in mind that we are not talking about a disagreement over public policy. We are talking about an armed insurrection, punishable by 10 years in federal prison.

 

[kcnalp]

God bless Israel and President Trump!

 

[Taken]

Putin is better at photo ops than Trump. He's clever at mixing religion and politics too.

You look at photos taken of Putin?
You look at photos taken of Trump?
You compare photos of Trump to Putin?

Not particularly interesting or newsworthy.

I do find it interesting you think it requires "cleverness" for a representative of the Government to have a Religious Standing.

Perhaps you missed President Trump being administered the Oath of Office...and Mr. Trump's Statement.

With his left hand on a Bible and his Right hand Raised Trump said:

"I Donald John Trump do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, so help me God"

Surprise!! A Christian was elected to The Presidental Office of The US.

Too bad if that offends you.

 

[kcnalp]

Trump is the bravest man I have ever known of!!!

 

[Giuliano]

I don't watch CNN on TV. I watch video clips of CNN on YouTube. I have seen them literally make up news stories.

How can you be sure about events unless you were there?

Both. Not only was the Obama Administration spying on Trump and his campaign, they were spying on other Americans also, including Ted Cruz and his campaign. (This bit about Ted Cruz is not widely known. I believe the news will break any day now.)

You know things that haven't made the news yet?

Admiral Rogers, figured out that the Obama Administration was using the NSA to spy on Americans, and when he found that Trump Tower was bugged, he told Donald Trump. Immediately, Trump moved campaign headquarters out of Trump Tower to Mar a Lago.

The FBI denied wiretapping the Trump campaign at Trump Tower. THey had wiretapped some members of a gambling ring.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-russia-investigation-wiretap-fbi-obama-658888

https://nypost.com/2017/03/21/fbi-bugged-trump-tower-while-probing-russian-gambling-ring/

At the time, the DOJ decided not to prosecute.

Trump's Attorney General knew of a crime and chose not to pursue it? I honestly can't believe this.

Manafort was targeted for what he knew about Americans who were involved in money laundering in Ukraine.

And that had nothing to do with Trump -- except showing how Trump gets himself involved with some scummy people like Manafort in his campaign and a gambling ring on his property.

I thought all Christians believed that God was in control of everything? No?

I found this quote from Ligonier Ministries.

"When pain, suffering, and natural disasters occur, how can we know that God is really in control? Is He really sovereign over all things, including evil?

God gave dominion over the earth and gave man free will. Many things happen not because He actively wills them but because He permits men to make decisions. God is not a dictator. God is Love.


This a fair question and perhaps we should talk about this further. But I believe that after all is said and done, God's will shall be done on earth as it is in heaven. So then, whatever happens, whatever befalls our nation, God will bring about eternal life and salvation to all those who trust him.

First of all, Trump hasn't done anything about Seattle. I don't know where you are getting the idea that Trump is using dictatorial powers? What is the purpose of Government? What gives someone the right to tell me what to do? Think about it. In the United States, governments do not have rights; they have powers. Only the people have rights. The State governments and the Federal Government were created by the people to serve the people.

Why would he threaten to intervene in a matter that falls under the jurisdiction of a state?

Here is what the Declaration of Independence says about why we rebelled against King George.

"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

The Mayor of Seattle has the sworn duty to protect life and property and to defend the constitution from enemies both foreign and domestic. We have given elected leaders powers to secure our welfare. If she is unable or unwilling to do her duty, then she should not wait for the next election. She should step aside and find someone who can and who will.

Bear in mind that we are not talking about a disagreement over public policy. We are talking about an armed insurrection, punishable by 10 years in federal prison.

I don't think you can apply that to the governor and mayor at all. If anything, the problem is their being too lax and permissive. It is impossible to say either of them is a despot. On the other hand, if Trump ever did usurp the rights of states, we could justify removing him from office even if it had to be by using armed insurrection. It won't come to that.

Note also that the Declaration says governments should not be changed for "light and transient causes."

If the mayor of Seattle violated her oath of office, it's up to the state Attorney General to prosecute her. Now if she joined them to attack a federal building, then the federal govenment should prosecute her.

 

[Giuliano]

You look at photos taken of Putin?
You look at photos taken of Trump?
You compare photos of Trump to Putin?

Not particularly interesting or newsworthy.

I do find it interesting you think it requires "cleverness" for a representative of the Government to have a Religious Standing.

Perhaps you missed President Trump being administered the Oath of Office...and Mr. Trump's Statement.

With his left hand on a Bible and his Right hand Raised Trump said:

"I Donald John Trump do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, so help me God"

Surprise!! A Christian was elected to The Presidental Office of The US.

Too bad if that offends you.

Somehow I am not surprised you think Trump is a good Christian. I would be surprised if you didn't.

 

[Giuliano]

Pup is good.

Yes, I do believe that God raised up people like Adolph Hitler for His purposes. I believe that the evils committed by Hitler were used by God and ultimately within God's plan (personally I believe this can be seen in the establishment of Israel as a nation, but I know Christians disagree on the topic of Israel).

I met a Jew on another forum years ago who said the same thing. He became somewhat prominent in Israel since he was asked to join the newly formed Sanhedrin. He didn't want the job but agreed to fill the spot until they found someone else.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You confuse locations Enoch....You blame peaceful protesters as violent ones because it serves the paradigm. Doing this is no different than justifying the the slaughter of so called heretics as the RCC has done in centuries past.

Why don't you just stick to things you actually know about and leave your fanciful "histories" at the door.

The responsibility of the violence at the recent protests lies with the protest organizers and the protesters themselves - whether THEY were being violent or not. YOU throw a party - YOU are responsible for what happens there.

I saw a disgusting video of a police officer bleeding to death in the street while protester after "innocent" protester walked by him with their cell phones out taking pictures to be posted on social media. This particular officer was BLACK. Where is the outrage for HIS death??
Answer: NOWHERE because he wasn't killed by a white cop.

THOSE are the only "Black lives" that matter to these hypocrites - and thank GOD we have a president who is courageous enough to call them out instead of playing the idiotic political game that the Leftist politicians are playing . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Somehow I am not surprised you think Trump is a good Christian. I would be surprised if you didn't.

Whether or mot he is a "good" Christian is totally irrelevant.
He is doing God's will.

He has done more for the Pro-Life cause than ANY president in history.
He has done more to champion the cause of religious rights than ANY other president in modern history.
He has done more for the poor in this country than ANY other president in modern history.

ALL this while the Left has . . .
Tried to topple his presidency with a porn star - and FAILED.
Accused him of being an agent of Russia - and FAILED.
Accused and tried him of colluding with Ukraine - and FAILED.

If you can't see the truth by now - you NEVER will . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Putin is better at photo ops than Trump.

He's clever at mixing religion and politics too.

And once again - you fail to understand the difference.

Putin hasn't routinely championed the cause of religious rights - President Trump HAS.
Putin hasn't routinely championed the rights of the Unborn - President Trump HAS.
Putin hasn't routinely made it his mission to get the poor off of food stamps and into jobs in numbers never seen before - President Trump HAS.

Things aren't always what they appear to be . . .